How long can the laptop VRAM last operating under high temperature?

[EsliteMoby]

I recently purchased this Rog Strix G16 laptop. After playing several hours of Dying Light 2 while my GPU temperature mostly hovers around low 70, my VRAM temperature heats up to 97 degrees which seems concerning to me. Is it alright if I leave it on like this or do I need to do something about it? I'm using GPU-Z running in the background to monitor my VRAM temp btw.

 

[Dr. Dro]

97 is still fine. Laptops run toasty regardless.

 

[Ferrum Master]

There is nothing you can actually do about it. A gaming laptop is a thing that should not exist at such power targets, they are not designed to last. Either you power/FPS limit the device hard or watch it slowly burning.

 

[pavle]

You can try and downclock VRAM with MSI Afterburner some but it is what it is, an oxymoron, gaming+laptop that is.

 

[Lei]

@EsliteMoby A laptop is a portable device for web surfing, document editing, movies and presentation. It's a comfortable phone. It's not a PC.
You don't want to game in a park or on a yacht. So why using a portable device for heavy gaming?

A gaming laptop is a thing that should not exist at such power targets...

Agreed

 

[eidairaman1]

There is nothing you can actually do about it. A gaming laptop is a thing that should not exist at such power targets, they are not designed to last. Either you power/FPS limit the device hard or watch it slowly burning.

The last real gaming laptop was in 2004 with the Dell XPS Gen1.

I presume Eurocom might but idk anymore.

Gaming laptop is an oxymoron now.

 

[EsliteMoby]

You can try and downclock VRAM with MSI Afterburner some but it is what it is, an oxymoron, gaming+laptop that is.

Could try with Vram clock but I don't want to downclock it too much which would hurt my performance. I wonder if is it possible to undervolt VRAM voltage.

@EsliteMoby A laptop is a portable device for web surfing, document editing, movies and presentation. It's a comfortable phone. It's not a PC.
You don't want to game in a park or on a yacht. So why using a portable device for heavy gaming?

Well, this laptop is advertised as a high-end gaming laptop for graphically demanding AAA games and portability is one of my priorities.

 

[eidairaman1]

Go get a cooling pad or build a desktop, thats the only choice in the matter

Or ask about throttlestop

 

[Ferrum Master]

Well, this laptop is advertised as a high-end gaming laptop for graphically demanding AAA games and portability is one of my priorities.

The are adverts for pills promising to regrow your hair also.

It is PR, it is brainwash, ROG culture... (that does not exist, but they tell you it exists, like Santa) and in the end we have - hello reality. Laptop is not for gaming it is for being mobile. It doesn't matter how they have spun the marketing telling you that it works. It doesn't, well yeah it does, for few seconds till it reaches 90C and then throttles around 100ish C or you game outside besides the north pole sign.

Make a ITX sized gaming PC and call it a day... many gaming people does it, there is is no other sane way. Currently there are dozens of great small sized PC cases that can be put in backpack without any issues.

If not... your only choice is to suffer... RMA it if you will, but it won't be accepted for compensation with overheating problem, you fell for the honey trap. So it comes with the territory, you picked a gaming laptop, then FPS limit as low you can and pray for colder weather... I cannot call it a great experience, you will always have to do compromises.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Well, this laptop is advertised as a high-end gaming laptop for graphically demanding AAA games and portability is one of my priorities.

I certainly sympathasize but the key word in this statement is "advertised". In other words, that is marketing "hype". There just is no such thing as a good gaming laptop (or desktop replacement). And if given a little thought, one can realize this makes total sense.

Consider this. Laptop manufacturers can pack the horsepower of a PC into one of those tiny, extremely thin laptop cases, but the not cooling required of gaming rigs. Gaming is just about the most demanding task we can ask of any computer. Even quality mid and full-size tower cases, with their massive case fan capabilities and support for HUGE CPU cooling solutions, are challenged to keep the innards properly cooled. Laptops are really designed for road warriors, students and others who who require mobile computers to create Word documents and give Power Point presentations. They are compact devices that, due to the Laws of Physics and thermodynamics, are simply incapable of providing the necessary cooling needed for a gaming machine.

It is PR, it is brainwash, ROG culture...

It certainly is PR and brainwash, but it is way beyond, and existed centuries before the "ROG" culture. It is the culture and engrained mindset of every marketing weenie who ever existed. And sadly, it is perfectly legal - when worded carefully. In business law it is called 'marketing "fluff".'

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@EsliteMoby - You don't mention your CPU temps, how are they? Does your system throttle back it hits these temps? You asked,

How long can the laptop VRAM last operating under high temperature?

If anyone could accurately predict that, they would quickly become zillionaires. "IF" those temps are still "comfortably" within the manufacture's specs for the "normal" operating temperature range, the VRAM should not fail prematurely (or before the warranty runs out! ). But if those temps routinely sit near or above the published specs, you should expect they will fail prematurely as those temps will increase aging.

Are the vents, accessible cavities and bays clean of heat trapping dust? If comfortable opening the case a little more, is the interior clean of heat trapping dust? Beyond that, I agree with eidairaman1 and consider getting a decent cooling pad. I recommend the use of a cooling pad with its own external power supply so you don’t put more strain on the laptop, causing it to generate even more heat. But sadly, pads with external power supplies are getting harder to find. So if the pad runs off USB power only, I recommend using a USB Wall Adapter to power the pad whenever possible.

When home, you could try blasting a desk fan across it.

Other than that, my best advice again echos that of eidairaman1 and I recommend a quality PC when at home for your gaming and just use the laptop for less demanding tasks while you are mobile.

 

[Frick]

@EsliteMoby A laptop is a portable device for web surfing, document editing, movies and presentation. It's a comfortable phone. It's not a PC.
You don't want to game in a park or on a yacht. So why using a portable device for heavy gaming?

Ye gods man. Can you put your desktop away when not using it, pop it on the shelf under the coffee table or in the book shelf? Can you bring it on an airplane? Can you use it in the couch and the comfy chair? Pop it in the luggage when travelling? And you are describing a phone man, or a tablet.

Besides, portable workstations has been a thing since forever.

I certainly sympathasize but the key word in this statement is "advertised". In other words, that is marketing "hype". There just is no such thing as a good gaming laptop (or desktop replacement). And if given a little thought, one can realize this makes total sense.

Consider this. Laptop manufacturers can pack the horsepower of a PC into one of those tiny, extremely thin laptop cases, but the not cooling required of gaming rigs. Gaming is just about the most demanding task we can ask of any computer. Even quality mid and full-size tower cases, with their massive case fan capabilities and support for HUGE CPU cooling solutions, are challenged to keep the innards properly cooled. Laptops are really designed for road warriors, students and others who who require mobile computers to create Word documents and give Power Point presentations. They are compact devices that, due to the Laws of Physics and thermodynamics, are simply incapable of providing the necessary cooling needed for a gaming machine.


It certainly is PR and brainwash, but it is way beyond, and existed centuries before the "ROG" culture. It is the culture and engrained mindset of every marketing weenie who ever existed. And sadly, it is perfectly legal - when worded carefully. In business law it is called 'marketing "fluff".'

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@EsliteMoby - You don't mention your CPU temps, how are they? Does your system throttle back it hits these temps? You asked,


If anyone could accurately predict that, they would quickly become zillionaires. "IF" those temps are still "comfortably" within the manufacture's specs for the "normal" operating temperature range, the VRAM should not fail prematurely (or before the warranty runs out! ). But if those temps routinely sit near or above the published specs, you should expect they will fail prematurely as those temps will increase aging.

Are the vents, accessible cavities and bays clean of heat trapping dust? If comfortable opening the case a little more, is the interior clean of heat trapping dust? Beyond that, I agree with eidairaman1 and consider getting a decent cooling pad. I recommend the use of a cooling pad with its own external power supply so you don’t put more strain on the laptop, causing it to generate even more heat. But sadly, pads with external power supplies are getting harder to find. So if the pad runs off USB power only, I recommend using a USB Wall Adapter to power the pad whenever possible.

When home, you could try blasting a desk fan across it.

Other than that, my best advice again echos that of eidairaman1 and I recommend a quality PC when at home for your gaming and just use the laptop for less demanding tasks while you are mobile.

Really, Bill? I know you know what a portable workstation is and why they are good for their intended purpose, and I know you absolutely hate generalizations, and "laptops are for word docs and power point presentations" is a absolute whopper of a generalization.

And great advice man. "Get a proper PC (and a space that can fit it" AND another computer is just ... man it sucks as advice. 1. Sell this shitty laptop presumably, 2. Buy a desk and have space for that desk and have space on the desk for nothing but monitors ans keyboards, 3. Buy a PC (a PC that isn't a laptop BTW, or a tablet, a desktop PC, which is the only kind of PC apparently) and 4. Buy a second PC for traveling (no wait! Only desktops are personal computers, laptops don't count).

So @EsliteMoby so yeah you've bought trash throw it away and buy a REAL computer, and then buy another computer for when you need to read a Word document on the train (because that is not something that phones can do).

But seriously don't listen to the geezers. Laptops are ok (although most of them are more or less bad, but in different ways). You're fine. Play around with undervolting until you find a compromise you're ok with. Keep it raised when in use. Keep the dust cleaned from the vents and when warranty is over repaste it.

 

[Kapone33]

In my opinion a 7945 APU based laptop with no GPU would qualify as a real Gaming laptop. Especially if it's paired with a 1080P screen.

 

[R0H1T]

You could always try to overclock it & see how lovg it lasts?

 

[Bill_Bright]

Really, Bill?

Yes, really. And if you read through what I actually said, and what others have said, you would learn the facts. BTW, I was not the first in this thread to suggest getting a PC for gaming. And for sure, creating docs and giving presentations is exactly one of, if not the primary reason ""luggables" then laptops were created long ago.

But seriously don't listen to the geezers. Laptops are ok (although most of them are more or less bad, but in different ways).

ROTFL

Yeah, don't listen to the experienced people. They are right, but don't listen to them anyway.

Laptops are "ok"? LOL Yep, "ok" computers make great gaming rigs and desktop replacements. How do we know? Because Frick says so.

Just to add, if you can find a truly portable laptop that allows users to play all the latest games at maximum FPS without throttling, then great. But that surely is the exception, not the norm.

 

[Lei]

Could try with Vram clock but I don't want to downclock it too much which would hurt my performance. I wonder if is it possible to undervolt VRAM voltage.

Everything is possible, you can disable some cuda cores, cap fps.
A laptop version of a gpu is 20% slower than the same gpu name on a desktop.

Ask about throttlestop

Throttlestop is for cpu?

Ye gods man. Can you put your desktop away when not using it, pop it on the shelf under the coffee table or in the book shelf?

I have a doll on my shelf

Can you bring it on an airplane?

Among things I do on a ひこうき are eating and napping.
Yes I carry the silicon and throw the rest away. Still costs less than a laptop and performs better.

Can you use it in the couch and the comfy chair?

Bluetooth keyboard

Pop it in the luggage when travelling?

Yep, silicon weights negligible. Plastic and metal are disposable.

And you are describing a phone man, or a tablet.

Phablet

Really, Bill? I know you know what a portable workstation is and why they are good for their intended purpose, and I know you absolutely hate generalizations, and "laptops are for word docs and power point presentations" is a absolute whopper of a generalization.

Anything that runs on batteries is a toy.

@Ferrum Master @Bill_Bright can we use a VR headset as monitor. If portability and gaming is in mind?

 

[Shrek]

I recently purchased this Rog Strix G16 laptop. After playing several hours of Dying Light 2 while my GPU temperature mostly hovers around low 70, my VRAM temperature heats up to 97 degrees which seems concerning to me. Is it alright if I leave it on like this or do I need to do something about it? I'm using GPU-Z running in the background to monitor my VRAM temp btw.

Might as well throw in Arrehnius' law and say half the life for every 10°C hotter.

No need to tell me it probably doesn't apply in this situation.

 

[mclaren85]

The last real gaming laptop was in 2004 with the Dell XPS Gen1.

I presume Eurocom might but idk anymore.

Gaming laptop is an oxymoron now.

I think you are the only one who knows about Eurocomm. They've been built some very powerful machines for years.

Regarding to OP question, the silicon chip itself can withstand up to minimum of 200 celcius degree, but the balls under the chip which connects the PCB could degrade over the time after many many heat/cold cycles until they get some micro fractures which only be repaired with a bga rework station. (called rebaling process)

 

[Lei]

Regarding to OP question, the silicon chip itself can withstand up to minimum of 200 celcius degree, but the balls under the chip which connects the PCB could degrade over the time after many many heat/cold cycles until they get some micro fractures which only be repaired with a bga rework station. (called rebaling process)

When replacing a phone battery, a heat of around 300° is used:

Heat Gun for Soldering and DIY Repair Jobs

Loosen adhesive or reflow solder with this 1500W heat gun. Low setting reaches 570 degrees F (300 degrees C). High setting reaches 1112 degrees F (600 degrees C).

www.ifixit.com

 

[Shrek]

Regarding to OP question, the silicon chip itself can withstand up to minimum of 200 celcius degree, but the balls under the chip which connects the PCB could degrade over the time after many many heat/cold cycles until they get some micro fractures which only be repaired with a bga rework station. (called rebaling process)

A reflow (with flux) is sometimes enough.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Could try with Vram clock but I don't want to downclock it too much which would hurt my performance. I wonder if is it possible to undervolt VRAM voltage.

Well, this laptop is advertised as a high-end gaming laptop for graphically demanding AAA games and portability is one of my priorities.

1. It is not and lowering clock speed will generally not lower VRAM temps
2. People here may look cynical but they somewhat have a point, a laptop will always run hotter and slower than a desktop PC. You either have flawless thermal and electrical performance, or you have a mobile form factor, this is accentuated in laptops designed for mobility (form over function, thin and light design such as the Apple MacBooks).

I have a question here, does the laptop run your games as you intend it to? If so, just enjoy it man. The honeymoon period will be over and before you know it, your laptop is banged up. I used to treat my Dell G15 5515 like a baby too, but now the underside is all scratched up and the laptop is very clearly well-used, 1 year and a half into it.

 

[EsliteMoby]

The are adverts for pills promising to regrow your hair also.

It is PR, it is brainwash, ROG culture... (that does not exist, but they tell you it exists, like Santa) and in the end we have - hello reality. Laptop is not for gaming it is for being mobile. It doesn't matter how they have spun the marketing telling you that it works. It doesn't, well yeah it does, for few seconds till it reaches 90C and then throttles around 100ish C or you game outside besides the north pole sign.

Make a ITX sized gaming PC and call it a day... many gaming people does it, there is is no other sane way. Currently there are dozens of great small sized PC cases that can be put in backpack without any issues.

If not... your only choice is to suffer... RMA it if you will, but it won't be accepted for compensation with overheating problem, you fell for the honey trap. So it comes with the territory, you picked a gaming laptop, then FPS limit as low you can and pray for colder weather... I cannot call it a great experience, you will always have to do compromises.

Probably too late for RMA as I'm already in another country. Yes. I did think of building a desktop before but I checked the price of the desktop 13900k/4070ti combo and it isn't so different than the 13980hx/4080M laptop I paid for 2400 USD. Not to mention an ITX build would cost the same or more than a laptop. This just shows how horrible the desktop components pricing these days.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Probably too late for RMA as I'm already in another country. Yes. I did think of building a desktop before but I checked the price of the desktop 13900k/4070ti combo and it isn't so different than the 13980hx/4080M laptop I paid for 2400 USD. Not to mention an ITX build would cost the same or more than a laptop. This just shows how horrible the desktop components pricing these days.

Mostly GPU, I rebuilt practically my entire system around a Core i9-13900KS with a high-end motherboard plus an expensive, high-end DDR5 kit and my total investment was less than the cost of an RTX 4080, so there's that. My 3090 is going to be run into the ground before I replace it, I just can't afford graphics cards anymore.

You don't need a RMA, your laptop is working as intended, they are just toasty. If you care more about temps, it should offer a fan control functionality that will make it noisy but run cooler. Give it a try, find a good balance that suits your desire, but more importantly, just enjoy your machine, man. It's a good one. Just remember to buy and run it on top of a cooling pad if you haven't yet. It ensures airflow.

 

[claes]

Laptop in question: 5.5 lbs, 1.5” thick, full-width heatsink with seven heatpipes and three fans

OP, while those temps will decrease the lifespan you shouldn’t have real issues until you get past 110*. I’d either run your fans faster or just set a power limit.

 

[AsRock]

You could try finding a good laptop cooler that matches the air flow of the bottom of the laptop.

 

[tabascosauz]

Probably too late for RMA as I'm already in another country. Yes. I did think of building a desktop before but I checked the price of the desktop 13900k/4070ti combo and it isn't so different than the 13980hx/4080M laptop I paid for 2400 USD. Not to mention an ITX build would cost the same or more than a laptop. This just shows how horrible the desktop components pricing these days.

You could just try a repaste with K5 Pro or similar. It's not a vapor chamber setup unlike some other recent ROG laptops so I don't think there is a warranty void sticker from taking off the cooling solution. G16 has a third fan in close proximity to the VRAM but the single C-shaped heatpipe covering the VRAM doesn't look like it's connected to the main CPU-GPU cooling solution (or anything else for that matter). Which performance/fan profile are you running?

Otherwise, cooler is better, but 97C is not really that alarming. You've still got a ways to go until the rated Tjunction of GDDR6X or GDDR6. As you probably know desktop 30 series GDDR6X ran pretty warm, and Navi31 GDDR6 regularly runs up into the high 80s and 90s.

Besides, I think enthusiasts tend to forget that we are a microscopic minority. Vast numbers of other ordinary owners out there are abusing their dust-packed laptops with mediocre factory paste application and cooler contact, and they'll still last for years. Yes, any BGA packages in laptops are probably naturally subject to more heat stress than desktops. Is it worth worrying yourself sick over?

You clearly make do with a 13980HX and 4080M (which is what, 3070 perf?), so not sure why you would necessarily need a 13900K+4070 Ti as a reference. Yes, prices suck, but that's not making it easy for yourself.