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How to let ups turn off system automatically when low battery? (Desktop)

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Hi everyone,
I often had question that why desktop dont get turn off automatically when desktop ups is on low battery,
May be i have lack of knowledge, please give some guidance about it.
Im using" apc back ups rs va1100"
 
Hi everyone,
I often had question that why desktop dont get turn off automatically when desktop ups is on low battery,
May be i have lack of knowledge, please give some guidance about it.
Im using" apc back ups rs va1100"
Does it have a USB or RS232 interface plug?
 
Let me check

Take pictures of the back and front of the unit, along with the model tag, this maybe an older unit.

Post them here please
 
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no :( anyother way?
No. The only way Windows knows if the batteries are about to die is when the UPS can communicate with the computer. With no communications cable (typically via USB, older UPS use serial), the UPS cannot signal Windows.

If this is your UPS, then sadly, it would seem it does not support communications as there are no communications ports. This UPS was not really designed to protect a computer, in spite of how it is marketed.
 
No. The only way Windows knows if the batteries are about to die is when the UPS can communicate with the computer. With no communications cable (typically via USB, older UPS use serial), the UPS cannot signal Windows.

If this is your UPS, then sadly, it would seem it does not support communications as there are no communications ports. This UPS was not really designed to protect a computer, in spite of how it is marketed.
Thanks for reply, as always this forum helpful and people.

Is there any budget ups which have that feature?
 
Tripplite, cyberpower are the only 2 i can think of.
 
Is

Is cyberpower good company?

They are well respected. APC is another one. Almost all stand up units have a PC interface (usually USB these days) that talks to software you install on the PC. The UPS will send a signal to trigger a system shutdown in case of a power failure (or UPS failure if it's got that feature). I've only seen ones that will shutdown during power failures only.
 
Tripplite, cyberpower are the only 2 i can think of.
Huh? APC has many that have a communications interface. In fact, I was surprised that one didn't.
Is there any budget ups which have that feature?
The problem with budget a UPS is just that, it is a budget UPS. You definitely want an UPS with AVR (automatic voltage regulation). The better UPS have better regulation and better monitoring for surer cutovers to battery when needed.

What is your budget?

I have used used TrippLite, and Cyberpower as well as APC. You tend to pay a little more for APC, but IMO, they are the better units.
 
Huh? APC has many that have a communications interface. In fact, I was surprised that one didn't.
The problem with budget a UPS is just that, it is a budget UPS. You definitely want an UPS with AVR (automatic voltage regulation). The better UPS have better regulation and better monitoring for surer cutovers to battery when needed.

What is your budget?

I have used used TrippLite, and Cyberpower as well as APC. You tend to pay a little more for APC, but IMO, they are the better units.

He was asking for alternatives to APC.
 
If you're using the UPS for a computer, I would highly recommend making sure you get one that is PureSineWave capable.

One such as this : http://a.co/hZ9LA37

I just did a quick and dirty Amazon search for "1000va pure sine wave ups"
 
I would highly recommend making sure you get one that is PureSineWave capable.
A pure sine wave UPS is definitely NOT necessary. All the hype about pure sine wave is just that, pure "marketing hype". :(

It is important to note that step approximated (also known as stepped sine wave, modified sine wave, or approximated sine wave) UPS have been used successfully for decades to protect PCs and other sensitive devices without any problems. The only people really pushing pure sine wave UPS are the makers of such UPS trying to take business away from the other UPS makers. The only devices that might need a pure sine wave UPS is critical life support or life sign monitoring systems in operating rooms and ICUs. But even those have been using stepped approximated sine wave UPS for decades without problems. It is even further important to note that today's power supplies are even more capable of tolerating any anomalies than those of 10, 15, or 20 years ago. So do not buy into the hype you need a pure sine wave UPS. It is just pure marketing BS! I currently have a step approximated UPS on all my computers, network gear, home theater audio equipment, and my big screen TV and do not hesitate to recommend them to any one else.

The noisy, chopped sine wave (almost square wave) output of a surge and spike protector is much more "dirty" than your typical stepped approximated output of a decent UPS.

Understand pure sine wave UPS have only recently become popular because their prices have come down, and their makers have done extensive marketing for them. But again, there is nothing to suggest they will protect your connected devices any better.

If you find a pure sine wave UPS at a reasonable price that meets your needa, fine. But there is no need to limit your options or go out of your way looking for one. Any 1/2 way decent computer power supply, can easily handle the output waveform from a step approximated UPS, as can any power supply for monitors, routers, modems, etc.

He was asking for alternatives to APC.
I read what "she" ("Honey" sounds more feminine than masculine) as asking for alternatives to what she already had. All she said was,
Is there any budget ups which have that feature?
And yes, there are plenty of APC UPS alternative. I have the 1500VA version of this APC protecting my computer, all my network gear and both 24" monitors.
 
A pure sine wave UPS is definitely NOT necessary. All the hype about pure sine wave is just that, pure "marketing hype". :(

It is important to note that step approximated (also known as stepped sine wave, modified sine wave, or approximated sine wave) UPS have been used successfully for decades to protect PCs and other sensitive devices without any problems. The only people really pushing pure sine wave UPS are the makers of such UPS trying to take business away from the other UPS makers. The only devices that might need a pure sine wave UPS is critical life support or life sign monitoring systems in operating rooms and ICUs. But even those have been using stepped approximated sine wave UPS for decades without problems. It is even further important to note that today's power supplies are even more capable of tolerating any anomalies than those of 10, 15, or 20 years ago. So do not buy into the hype you need a pure sine wave UPS. It is just pure marketing BS! I currently have a step approximated UPS on all my computers, network gear, home theater audio equipment, and my big screen TV and do not hesitate to recommend them to any one else.

The noisy, chopped sine wave (almost square wave) output of a surge and spike protector is much more "dirty" than your typical stepped approximated output of a decent UPS.

Understand pure sine wave UPS have only recently become popular because their prices have come down, and their makers have done extensive marketing for them. But again, there is nothing to suggest they will protect your connected devices any better.

If you find a pure sine wave UPS at a reasonable price that meets your needa, fine. But there is no need to limit your options or go out of your way looking for one. Any 1/2 way decent computer power supply, can easily handle the output waveform from a step approximated UPS, as can any power supply for monitors, routers, modems, etc.

If you look at the unit I posted, it's not truly a pure sine wave unit. It is approximated.

I do agree you don't need one that is PURE, but you should definitely have one that is at least approximated. If only to make sure power is very clean and stable to your computer equipment.
 
A pure sine wave UPS is definitely NOT necessary. All the hype about pure sine wave is just that, pure "marketing hype". :(

It is important to note that step approximated (also known as stepped sine wave, modified sine wave, or approximated sine wave) UPS have been used successfully for decades to protect PCs and other sensitive devices without any problems. The only people really pushing pure sine wave UPS are the makers of such UPS trying to take business away from the other UPS makers. The only devices that might need a pure sine wave UPS is critical life support or life sign monitoring systems in operating rooms and ICUs. But even those have been using stepped approximated sine wave UPS for decades without problems. It is even further important to note that today's power supplies are even more capable of tolerating any anomalies than those of 10, 15, or 20 years ago. So do not buy into the hype you need a pure sine wave UPS. It is just pure marketing BS! I currently have a step approximated UPS on all my computers, network gear, home theater audio equipment, and my big screen TV and do not hesitate to recommend them to any one else.

The noisy, chopped sine wave (almost square wave) output of a surge and spike protector is much more "dirty" than your typical stepped approximated output of a decent UPS.

Understand pure sine wave UPS have only recently become popular because their prices have come down, and their makers have done extensive marketing for them. But again, there is nothing to suggest they will protect your connected devices any better.

If you find a pure sine wave UPS at a reasonable price that meets your needa, fine. But there is no need to limit your options or go out of your way looking for one. Any 1/2 way decent computer power supply, can easily handle the output waveform from a step approximated UPS, as can any power supply for monitors, routers, modems, etc.

I read what "she" ("Honey" sounds more feminine than masculine) as asking for alternatives to what she already had. All she said was,
And yes, there are plenty of APC UPS alternative. I have the 1500VA version of this APC protecting my computer, all my network gear and both 24" monitors.


I need to get one myself.

Btw the profile says Male 28
 
Hahah im male dude, honetly 24 years old.
Anyways, thanks to all, really helpful people,

I also did research of ups at my location, i found these,

https://www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/B0038...3&sr=1-12&pi=AC_SX118_SY170_QL70&keywords=ups


https://www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/B000Q...10&pi=AC_SX118_SY170_QL70&keywords=cyberpower


I found that cyberpower reviews are very bad,
But its 50% cheaper than apc :p

Please have alook

I have the 1500VA model of that APC on my setup. I bought it way back in July of 2011. Still appears to hold the same charge it did previously. Good unit.

I should also note we use the 1000VA model to protect all our computers and registers in our stores at work.
 
but you should definitely have one that is at least approximated.
Not sure there is a UPS that is not at least approximated. Most electronics run on either AC or DC. AC needs to be pure or approximated. Otherwise, it would be something like a special purpose squarewave generator, or a DC power supply - neither of which would be used for, or sold to support consumer electronics like computers, home theater equipment, etc.
Hahah im male dude, honetly 24 years old.
My mistake. Sorry. When I think of the name (or nickname) Honey, I think of little kids or a female significant other. That said, I do love honey. And fun fact, according to Alton Brown, honey is the only "manufactured" food.

Of the two UPS listed, I still prefer APC even thought it cost more. That said, I have used CyberPower UPS with no problem.

But one thing that caught my attention about that CyperPower that does not seem right is in the Technical Details when you scroll down on that page, it says,
Batteries Included: No
No? :confused:
 
Tripplite, cyberpower are the only 2 i can think of.

Cyberpower all the way :p, served me very well over many years.

One of my UPS is a Cyberpower 1500VA and is about 5 years old now and battery holds fine still as i shut down if the power fails.

They tend to sell for 130$-$170 pending on older-newer models.
 
I have an APC Back-UPS 550VA ups which kept my overclocked, custom water cooled, a10-6800k, r7 270x (powered by a seasonic 760W platinum), 32" smarttv, and 13W led lamp running for at least 20 minutes while idle, iirc. Under load it lasted about 5. It has monitoring and auto-shutoff via usb, which is pretty nice, and the battery is replaceable. Only thing I don't like is the battery monitor isn't very granular, or at least doesn't update frequently, and it doesn't give an accurate load indication unless it's running off the battery. But it's a budget unit, so I guess that's what you should expect.

I have since switched to a ryzen 1600 on an x370 motherboard and rx480 nitro oc, so I imagine it wouldn't last as long, but it should still be enough to give me time to save and quit if I'm gaming.
 
How did you determine this?
It only shows 8% load when plugged in. After pulling the plug from the wall, it shows the actual load (you can use their software or a 3rd party app like hardware monitor, hwmon, etc.) at something like 80%. I assume it's due to the method they use in determining the load, not because of some inaccuracy in the sensor.
 
You say it shows your load in percent. Mine is in actual wattage. Are you using PowerChute? Just typing this (which is next to nothing of a demand), my PowerChute shows 78W while the UPS LCD read out shows 83W. I believe the difference is due to the power loss occurring during the DC to AC conversion.

As for HWMonitor, mine actually says 9%. My 1500VA APC UPS provides 865 watts. I note 9% of 865 = 77.85 which is pretty darn close to that 78W!

Note the size of the PSU immaterial. The load is determined solely by the demand of the computer components (motherboard, CPU, graphics card, RAM, drives, fans and other connected devices). So if those devices need 100W, the power supply will provide 100W regardless if the PSU is a 750W PSU or a 300W PSU. And the PSU will pull from the wall about 115W plus (100 + ~15W due to PSU inefficiencies).
 
Not sure there is a UPS that is not at least approximated. Most electronics run on either AC or DC. AC needs to be pure or approximated. Otherwise, it would be something like a special purpose squarewave generator, or a DC power supply - neither of which would be used for, or sold to support consumer electronics like computers, home theater equipment, etc.

Most of the cheap "power strip" style UPSes are straight square wave, even the APC ones. Any computer power supply that is at least halfway decent will run on a square wave. It might not be happy doing it, but it'll do it. But, yeah, I wouldn't recommend anyone use those anyway. Get a good UPS, and you'll have it forever(you just have to change the batteries every now and then).

I've got two APC Smart-UPS 1500 units, the versions without the LCDs. Those things are beasts, if anyone ever tries to take them from me, I'll kill em. Then I'll crush them under the UPSes, because they are heavy as heck!
 
You say it shows your load in percent. Mine is in actual wattage. Are you using PowerChute? Just typing this (which is next to nothing of a demand), my PowerChute shows 78W while the UPS LCD read out shows 83W. I believe the difference is due to the power loss occurring during the DC to AC conversion.

As for HWMonitor, mine actually says 9%. My 1500VA APC UPS provides 865 watts. I note 9% of 865 = 77.85 which is pretty darn close to that 78W!

Note the size of the PSU immaterial. The load is determined solely by the demand of the computer components (motherboard, CPU, graphics card, RAM, drives, fans and other connected devices). So if those devices need 100W, the power supply will provide 100W regardless if the PSU is a 750W PSU or a 300W PSU. And the PSU will pull from the wall about 115W plus (100 + ~15W due to PSU inefficiencies).
Nope, I'm using hwmonitor. Shows 8% (or close to that) even with cpu/gpu benchmarks or stress tests running. Only changes when I unplug it.
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Note that this shows 4%, which would be 22VA, not even close to the 90W cpu package and 140W gpu hwmonitor is showing, and that's not even the whole picture.
Edit: Just did a test, and it's 71% with just the cpu under load (well, AIDA64 cpu/cache). That's 390.5VA, which sounds about right. Like I said, I don't doubt it's accuracy, it just doesn't show actual load unless it's running off the battery.
 
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