I just bought a scalpers 3080.. he he

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Main problem is where and how scalpers/ miners are getting new hardware.
Nvidia/... doesn't mind where they get money they just want to sell products period.

 

[Rei]

If one were to buy a 3090 for $1800, or a 3080 for $1200 from a 'scammer, scalper, or scumbag', but dedicate its use to Folding@Home 24/7 to search for a cure for Covid-19, Cancer, or Alzheimer's, are they a hero or a villain?

Wow, dude! That's heavy....

I would say that they are a hero(?) because the good far outweighs the bad.

If you really want people to question their morality and decent ethics, then ask this instead:
"Selling drugs to newbies and donate all the profits to charity, orphanage, cure for disease, etc. Scum or Angel?"

 

[Toothless]

Wow, dude! That's heavy....

I would say that they are a hero(?) because the good far outweighs the bad.

If you really want people to question their morality and decent ethics, then ask this instead:
"Selling drugs to newbies and donate all the profits to charity, orphanage, cure for disease, etc. Scum or Angel?"

That's called chaotic good.

 

[rethcirE]

there is an old saying which goes.. "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" .. i have never really doubted the truth in this..

The trick here is to stop hunting. If graphics cards (or any hardware, really) becomes ludicrously expensive with no end in sight I will simply stop gaming. Integrated graphics are more than enough for normal PC use, and I save literally thousands of dollars while still using my PC for the things I "need". Gaming is a want, not a need. Feeling as if you "have" to have the graphics card before the door closes and it's too late is exactly what empowers scalpers and makes the consumers weak.

 

[phanbuey]

The trick here is to stop hunting. If graphics cards (or any hardware, really) becomes ludicrously expensive with no end in sight I will simply stop gaming. Integrated graphics are more than enough for normal PC use, and I save literally thousands of dollars while still using my PC for the things I "need". Gaming is a want, not a need. Feeling as if you "have" to have the graphics card before the door closes and it's too late is exactly what empowers scalpers and makes the consumers weak.

"Consumers" aren't some unified group of people, literally everyone is a consumer -- you stopping consumption does nothing for or against the power of 'consumers' in general.

People spend thousands of dollars going out to dinners movies, cruises, etc. Money is money - the only principles it has are the ones you attach to it. In this case, that is the principle that you will only pay what the manufacturer suggests MSRP is for their product based on some incorrect calculations someone did 9 months ago.

The MSRP was wrong, there are supply shortages, the manufacturer underestimated the demand for their product, and the market reacted. Had NVidia/AMD known this would happen, they would have happily charged double for their stuff.

 

[trog100]

The trick here is to stop hunting. If graphics cards (or any hardware, really) becomes ludicrously expensive with no end in sight I will simply stop gaming. Integrated graphics are more than enough for normal PC use, and I save literally thousands of dollars while still using my PC for the things I "need". Gaming is a want, not a need. Feeling as if you "have" to have the graphics card before the door closes and it's too late is exactly what empowers scalpers and makes the consumers weak.

i have never been hunting.. i decided long ago my 2080ti was plenty good enough for anything i want to do..

i just came across what i thought was a reasonable ebay price and hit the buy button.. i posted my buy on here just to see the reaction.. it has been interesting..

trog

 

[cst1992]

If they only buy a few that's OK but it's the act of "Raiding" vendors for their inventory with bots to try and lockout anyone else being able to buy them at MSRP

This is kind of like buying tickets to a concert in bulk and selling them on the black market for 4x the price.

 

[phanbuey]

This is kind of like buying tickets to a concert in bulk and selling them on the black market for 4x the price.

Ticketmaster reportedly has secret deals with scalpers that cheat other customers

The massive ticket vending company has publicly criticized the practice of reselling tickets but has secretly set up its own deals with scalpers, a new report says.

www.cnbc.com

I bet there is some of this happening as well - Newegg/amazon etc.

 

[Hankieroseman]

£1,045 for a £650 GPU. Oosh.

That's what I was thinking.

 

[rethcirE]

i have never been hunting.. i decided long ago my 2080ti was plenty good enough for anything i want to do..

i just came across what i thought was a reasonable ebay price and hit the buy button.. i posted my buy on here just to see the reaction.. it has been interesting..

trog

Based on your analogy of birds in the bush, you were hunting. Enjoy your graphics card.

 

[Hankieroseman]

I'm not in agreement with some folks here with the mentality of being that "it's your money". I wish people are more considerate of how they spend their earnings, especially during these times when prices are higher while earnings are harder to come by. I would always caution others to be wise and mindful of their spending and only buy what is necessarily required.

On the topic of this thread, even if a person is a billionaire and wipe their ass with paper money, I still wouldn't want them to buy of scalpers. Sure it's a bit contradictory to my statement above but at least there is some pride in using paper money as toilet paper.

But I doubt there is pride in giving scalpers money. Paying to scalpers is just feeding them their wrongdoings and just not conducive to society in general.

To wrap it up, I'm not proud of what OP has done and who he gave his money to. Had he been patient and/or shop around properly, ask for advice and even ask around, he might've gotten his graphics card at a lower price and not give his money to some scum of society.

I agree but I'm 67 yo, retired, got the money, can't take it with me and I got my Dream Machine. I waited about 3 months and decided to go for it. Now I want the badass processor that this ASUS TUF Gaming board will support (Ryzen 9 5900 & X570-Plus). I thought AMD's price was reasonable zero stock. Didn't realize computing had turned to scalping. I remember when $500 would buy the top dog AGP. I have more fun putting a computer together than the law allows.

there is an old saying which goes.. "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" .. i have never really doubted the truth in this..

i am pretty certain that supply chain problems are gonna get worse.. prices on graphics cards are gonna go higher.. unobtainium is pretty expensive stuff..

i aint sure on the morality in any of this except to say that i dont think scalpers are scumbags just normal people selling something at a price they think its worth..

trog

Remember when they'd say "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound cure"? Wear a mask! F*** you! Scalpers are opportunists. They can lose too. But the GPUs are at a premium.

a palit gaming pro.. £1045.. oops..

i dont see these things ever becoming available at rrp in the future so f-ck it why not..

trog

I did. TUF RTX 3090 O24 G. For the ebay transaction, a better seller or delivery could only be matched but not beaten. so f*ck it y-not?

Wow, dude! That's heavy....

I would say that they are a hero(?) because the good far outweighs the bad.

If you really want people to question their morality and decent ethics, then ask this instead:
"Selling drugs to newbies and donate all the profits to charity, orphanage, cure for disease, etc. Scum or Angel?"

Excellent dude. Made me think. Like asking the same thing of trump? scum or angel?

If you have a lot of excess money I see nothing wrong with it, Bezos has a lot more excess money than you and he is building a moon base. What you spend your money on is relative to how much you make, so yeah enjoy yourself if you can afford it. 5600x and 6800 non-xt at MSRP was close to my max budget, so I am pretty lucky I got them on their launch days because I do agree with you, the shortage supply (at MSRP) is going to stay bad probably for all of 2021.

\\//,, live long and prosper

That's exactly something a scalper would say.

No need to try and justify it, I mean it's obvious scalpers only exist because people are willing to pay them but again, no need to justify it.

The logic of ebay. No? I've got one and this is the price.

 

[Arctucas]

The Supers are coming...

 

[Toothless]

The Supers are coming...

The stock isn't.

 

[yotano211]

Buying a lot of something to limit supply and resell it at a profit is the definition of a scalper.

That is called a reseller, something that I was doing on ebay for close to 10 years full-time. Blame human greed for it, in other words, blame yourselves.

The Supers are coming...

My wallet is super.

 

[Hankieroseman]

The Supers are coming...

Ready to outdate me already? It always happens.

 

[cst1992]

Ready to outdate me already? It always happens.

Embrace it.
Personally, I never go for the "latest and greatest". I just look at what's available in the market for a reasonable price and what'd be enough to last me the next few years. Then I just go ahead and buy it.

Look at the GTX 970 I bought in 2015. It was plenty powerful when I got it, played every game out there without hiccupping.
Now, it's struggling with GTA5 4 years later, so I got the 3060Ti, which eats it for breakfast - it doesn't even run full clocks at max details.
I'm sure the 3060Ti will also struggle in 2025, so then I'll buy whatever card is right for me(or maybe not - maybe then I'll just go for a gaming laptop, who knows).

 

[FinneousPJ]

Proverbs 21:20 my man

 

[Jetster]

Why tell anyone here. If you goin to make money i get it. But for myself, I can enjoy something unless I got a deal

 

[cst1992]

Why tell anyone here. If you goin to make money i get it. But for myself, I can enjoy something unless I got a deal

Basically for the same reason we bother replying - sharing with the community.
It's what the forum is for - essentially, isn't it?

 

[Space Lynx]

Basically for the same reason we bother replying - sharing with the community.
It's what the forum is for - essentially, isn't it?

yep. 90% of all this forum could have been googled for an answer probably, the whole idea is we communicate from time to time and not turn into robots ourselves.

 

[yotano211]

yep. 90% of all this forum could have been googled for an answer probably, the whole idea is we communicate from time to time and not turn into robots ourselves.

I welcome our robot overloads.
Skynet....its coming

 

[freeagent]

One day (like today for instance lol) you can look back with fondness and think how you had that card months before most everyone else. Justification is so easy these days, it doesn't really matter how you got it as long as you didn't steal it or its not stolen. You can call that person a scalper, or you bought the card second hand from some guy on craigslist, sealed in box

See, that was pretty easy

Eff it, if you don't mind spending the money, the other guy doesn't mind making money, and everyone except us is happy

 

[cst1992]

You can call that person a scalper, or you bought the card second hand from some guy on craigslist, sealed in box

Damn, you're making me feel guilty...

 

[freeagent]

Damn, you're making me feel guilty...

No no, don't take like that, it was all in jest

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Like I said before. Buy off a scalper, wait till available , or cry about not being able to get one.

You have one, others do not. Enjoy it.