You couldn't be more wrong. New games crave CPU power, ESPECIALLY BF games. Also, i3 8100 is a terrible purchase. Only 4 core 4 threads for $125. You can get a Ryzen 2600 for that with 6 core 12 threads.
Have you ever used Intel system before? I have used Intel, then AMD and lastly back to Intel. Intel platforms are easy to manage and relatively trouble free.
That depends on the game. Many modern games are very CPU intensive. In fact, the gaming industry is a primary factor driving the ever increasing demand for 12 (and more) core processors.
I see the trend, so one has to fix his/her requirement or more precisely, expectations. If you play 1080 today and want to play 4K 3 months later after the whole rig is upgraded, then you are going to spend unlimited money. Honestly I don't have that money. I am happy with 1080 and 1440 doesn't move me at all. My desk doesn't support that much space either so, I feel being lucky about that.
I also generally prefer Intel CPU's over AMD. If I was upgrading right now I would go for the 9900K. If I couldnt afford it, I wouldnt consider an Intel CPU at all. The Ryzen CPU's are far better value long term IMO. The extra threads will surely come in handy a few years down the line. Honestly, I would go for a GPU first. You mentioned that you were surprised by your CPU doing 58FPS, im pretty sure that the RX570 or Ram was the bottleneck and that the CPU is capable of around 70FPS in that title without overclocking.
You're absolutely right about the 70FPS as I saw another video which has teh 3570 overlocked to 4.5! He must be using some sort of custom water cooling. IT really runs at 70+ FPS. Amazing.
In fact I am open to all options. I just happen to have read too many threads about temperature problems, BIOS issues and instability of the new 3000 CPUs which makes me very worried about building a system out of the AMD CPUs. I do not mind to spend $1000 to build a system which works just out of the box with the minimal post-sales effort because I am not a PC expert in any way. And I wish to have that overclock capability sort of a reserved features and it better be one-click only thingy to work with, don't ask me to check the timings, latency, speed of a RAM kit to accomplish a few hundred MHz boosts just for getting 5 to 6 additional FPS no matter that is a Intel or an AMD CPU.
If it works, I am more than willing to spend that sum of money and sure I will be happy with it for the next 3 to 4 years to come. But if it works like sh?t or trash, not even 1 pence I would like to throw into it. That's my objective and expectations.
I don't like others saying that this is a troll. And I like to say that I come here with no other intentions but to gather some opinions and suggestions as part of my research for my next build, either it be an Intel or AMD I really don't quite see which one is yet. But I would appreciate some respects from others and try not divide the community.
I did not read most of the replies. I did read all of your posts and concluded that what you stated is what you are leaning toward, and in part, that includes quality components, and the right components that will project your build to last 5 years or more.
I started working in the computer industry about 35 years ago and used computers prior to that. Over the decades I have enjoyed working with hardware and hardware diagnostics. I have also enjoyed fringe work from overclocking to delidding CPUs. I have found that no one person has all of the answers and that has lead me to a never ending quest for knowledge regarding computers from technical manuals to watching YouTube videos. I have diagnosed, repaired, designed or built everything from servers to HEDTs.
With that out of the way and with your gaming / compute needs in mind with an emphasis on gaming, I suggest you purchase the most expensive CPU that you can afford. Because you will not be tinkering with the BIOS very much, if any including no overclocking, I suggest you purchase an i9 9900, not the K version, you will not be overclocking so you can save some money there. You also should get a high quality motherboard. I am not going to get into the pros and cons of every board here, that would take a two hour video and I am not going to type a book. So, I suggest the Gigabyte Z390 Gaming Ultra, the reason is it has a great hardware to utilize four DIMMs or sticks of RAM, something that not all motherboards support, it also has very good VRMs and makes proper use of them to provide outstanding stability. You may prefer B die RAM however it is not needed with that CPU, just good 3000 to 4000 RAM with lower, tighter, timings, though the most expensive is not needed. CAS 16 for 3200 or CAS 18 3600 RAM is fine, here again I will not get into specifics as this comment will be long enough as it is. There are several good options here. I suggest you start with four sticks of 8GB Crucial Ballistix or G.Skill Flare X if you think you may switch to AMD in the future and want to carry over the RAM with absolute confidence it will work. Two generations from now AMD is supposed to support DDR5 however I suspect it and DDR-4 will be supported with Ryzen 4. I have used both Crucial and Flare X for years.
There are a number of good quality power supplies on the market. I suggest a 650 watt Corsair or 650/660 watt Seasonic silver or higher 80 PLUS rating for either PSU. Many people argue that the higher 80 PLUS rating is a waste of money because it may not pay for itself with lower power bills due to better efficiency. However, those people may not realize that a higher 80 PLUS rating requires higher quality components, and that is my reasoning, quality. It is that quality that ensures a cleaner supply of electricity to the computer and long life.
Storage. Intel 2TB 660p NVMe SSD. It is relatively inexpensive and fast.
Video card: MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X To game at high FPS expect to replace one component within five or six years of computer use, the video card. When the Nvidia 5080 or AMD counterpart becomes available it will probably be time to upgrade that single component.
CPU cooler: For an eight to 12 core CPU, Noctua U-12S or U12A, the latter cools a little better and clears sticks of RAM better, both rival or outperform 240mm water cooling, and water coolers come with the possibility of the impeller going bad or other possible problems.
Case: I suggest a high airflow mid tower that uses large fans and with the dimensions required to install a moderately large high quality CPU air cooler and a high quality large video card. Large coolers provide better cooling and yield longer life to the CPU and GPU.
A note about motherboards for AMD, get a high end X570. You do not need the most expensive, however lower end boards are fine for low to mid range Ryzen 3000 series CPUs, however, as you add more stress through a higher core count quality boards yield less headaches, in fact I expect $140 motherboards to not function properly or fail with a Ryzen 3900X. Always look to the future.
Regarding Intel motherboards. The 10000 series motherboards next year will have a higher pin count, which will necessitate a different MB and more importantly the silicon will be new which means teething problems. Expect to be a beta tester for Intel if you purchase a 10000 series CPU and motherboard early on. The higher pin count should facilitate higher clocks and more cores more effectively, just be careful about early adoption.
Why get a high end CPU? For future games. Some games use eight cores or threads currently with a few that can use more. If you want to make sure you are purchasing a computer that will last five years you need to look into the future of gaming.
It is true that four cores and eight threads are for the most part fine for today, however not for the future. It is highly likely next generation gaming consoles will use 64 bit eight core AMD CPUs. That means game creators will be writing code for those systems and many of those games will be ported over to PCs, which in turn, means utilization of more cores.
To some degree I face the same dilemma that you find yourself in regarding a CPU. I am currently using an i7 7700K overclocked to 4.8GHz, it will do 5.2GHz but found the extra MHz is not needed for gaming at the moment. For example, while playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare beta, with all graphics maxed out except shadows, I was averaging around 225 FPS with the 7700K and my MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X at 1080p. I have a 165Hz 1080p 32 inch monitor.
Finally, regarding a computer I am under the impression that you are not constrained by finances as you indicated in your above post, if so, please let me know. Also please take into consideration that I place great emphasis on high quality hardware.
You should be able to find information on much of the above through google searches or on YouTube. Please disregard any errors in grammar and spelling because I did not proof read this.
Your opinions and suggestions are the most constructive ones.
Since you've mentioned Gigabyte Motherboard which I see it being used in many many build YouTube videos. Which aspect is most recommendable about this model? How is ti compared with Asrock and Asus?
For PSU I have the same thought as you, and I intend to get 750W for a higher ceiling, playing safe.
I am surprised you didn't recommend 3000 MHz/CL 15, why?
About M.2, what do you think about the Sabrent?
As to the Gfx card, I have the following thinking, please comment. As you might agree with me that motherboards are relatively lasting compared to other components inside the PC. The second would be the CPU, RAM kit the third and M.2 the fourth. Now I like to say the Gfx is the hottest apart from the VRMs. Is that will die faster? So if I purchased the top model, and it doesn't last for say 2 years then it would be a big waste wouldn't it?
It's the cat mouse game bud.
No matter what you buy today, it's dated tomorrow. Literally (just about)....
So you've proven yourself, you don't need a big bad i 9900K Beast. Will you get higher frame rates, yes.
The question becomes budget. Lasting 5 years ect. Well to help realize that in 5 years, your hardware will likely be just fine and do it's job, but the video card will also then be a generation or two old. So again, you'll be in the same exact spot your in now.....
There are so many good configurations of hardware. You could litterally buy two mid ranged gaming cards, run SLI or Crossfire and make some good frame rates. This path of upgrade is getting what you can afford now, upgrade it cheaper a year later down the road, get higher frame rates at some less percentage of costs....
So a few titles can run 8 cores up on a load. So any 8 core cpu is going to suit your needs. In 5 years, it won't be likely that games will use 16 threads while both AMD and Intel support SMT and HT.
In reality, it's much easier to help you build with a solid number to work with... what's your true budget?
I see your point. As far as a graphics card goes, it will either fail due to persisting heat or outdated one way or the other. So I am pretty much prepared to get that replaced every two to two and a half years as part of the maintenance just like the case fans and the AIO LCS.
The best strategy seems to be dividing the budget into two parts. One for parts that comparatively have longer lifespan. The other is for shorten lifespan ones.
He prefers the stutterfest experience of high 50s FPS i guess (x
I remember my first laptop playing BF3 I did everything in my power to get stable 60+ FPS, but I guess some people think differently.
Actually in my test yesterday, the audio stutters. But I am sure a brand new system will have that removed.
I just had a similar conversation on another site about PSUs (Corsairs specifically). I said, brand loyalty is pretty much human nature. I think most of us are that way - going both ways. That is, we stick with brands that have served us well, but we also avoid brands that didn't.
But that's not always the best policy - especially in competitive markets where brands continually "leap-frog" over each other, taking turns being in the lead.
And of course, markets change, as do company leaderships and policies. Corsair is certainly not the only company that used to be untouchable, but sat on their laurels and either changed in a bad way, or didn't change and adjust then failed to keep up with the competition. Intel was king and thought they were invincible. Then AMD leap-frogged over it. It took over 10 years for Intel to leap-frog back into the lead and for sure, AMD is constantly nipping at their heels again - with some models leading in their class.
That, of course, is all good for promoting and creating incentives for competition. And competition is always good for us consumers.
I added, IMO, that holds true for CPUs too.
For some, I agree. But clearly some pick Company A's product just because they hate Company B.
Better "value"? I have a problem with statements like this. What does "value" really mean? I think it is different for everyone. Yes, most Intels cost more compared to the AMD in that class. But the CPU is just one component in the computer. Factor in the cost of the motherboard, RAM, case, PSU, drives, cooler, monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, Windows and application licenses, then spread those costs over the 3 - 5 year (or longer) life expectancy of the computer, and is the "value" that much different?
You're right about the competition between AMD and Intel. Frankly, if it is not deem necessary, I will not purchase either of them. My GPU died this morning; checker pattern for 1 minute then blank screen not signals. PSU has been activating Anti-Surge 3 times in the last two weeks. out of the 6 USB ports at the back panel, one is sluggish I would pronounce it dying practically. But then give Reuben (I gave each of my build a name) a break, it has been keeping me a company for the last 5 years and 10 months now. Everything has a season.
I will miss my 3570K if one day it sudden dies. It is a great CPU. And I will miss this P8Z77 Deluxe too, it's a great board. I will keep the 3570K. And I don't really feel any 9th gen Intel CPU is my thing. Objectively speaking, AMD has real problems. Has AMD ever consider how many people are and will be building their own PC and use them on a daily basis for gaming? Make life easier for these people if that is possible because a certain percentage of them are not computer experts. And fix the thermal issues and the BIOS if she wants more Intel users to switch over to AMD. And if Intel is going to use that bl**dy sales strategy as if saying "If you don't choose Intel you really have no other choices", I will have no hesitation AT ALL, to switch to AMD in a heartbeat! I really will do that by building 2 systems and compare them.
There are really nothing worth buying right now.
At least with Corsair you can be pretty sure they will provide you a decent unit (assuming you have the sense not to buy a CX for 3 way SLI or a w3175x) and that they generally honour their warranty. You definitely aren't guaranteed to be getting something significantly worse for the money, and you can expect them not to say "hey you can only run half the wattage through that unit" 5 years down the line because there was some flaw with it.
The main reason I can't at all seriously recommend intel right now is that I don't think we can reasonably expect there not to be any more major security flaws (with more performance eroding fixes). I don't really see how you can feel "safer" with their products any more...
I've stuck with intel until pretty recently because their parts were objectively significantly better than any of the Ryzen parts for one of my main uses (x-plane), but at some point you just can't keep living on misinformation or non non-logic and take a step back...
Have you seen some back streets PSU possibly importd from China, they are ony 60% of their claimed wattage. So a 650W practically works like a 390W!!
The best thing to do is to keep exchanging information between AMD and Intel so we all know which one is better and which one has something the other doesn't. Above all, we vote by paying the cheque for either one or both to pressure them to make better products.
At the present moment, unless one has immediate needs to build a new system, otherwise neither AMD nor Intel worth the money!!!
