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I have an old system. Essential components are

i5 4670K
P8Z77 Deluxe
Corsair H60 AIO cooler
Corsair HX 850
Corsair Vengeance 1333 2 x 4GB
660 Ti

I play Battlefield V, For Honour, Final Fantasy XV and Company of Heroes II. Very slow all of these titles and never manage to get 60+ FPS.

I want to have a completely new system. To start with, what CPU should I get? Hopefully, the new system will be able to handle Cyberpunk 2077 at at least Very High settings along with all the above mentioned titles.

Have used AMD CPUs before and not very great experience so AMD needs not apply.

Thanks!
 
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do you have a budget or money is not a problem?
 
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Since you dont like AMD and want to go with a dead platform then your only real choice of CPU is the 9900K, maybe the 9700K, otherwise there is a list of AMD CPU's to go with.
 
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you can upgrade to i5 FK 9th gen, its on good cost deal, and for the gpu i afraid you need to spend alot for cyber punk high/ultra preset, even curent gpu is struggle to run 1080p/2k on ultra preset 60hz on highend videgame triple A rated, other optional think you best bet is running on 4k but in medium preset, anyway for a temporary used i would recommend rx5700xt/rtx series:)
 

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Since you dont like AMD and want to go with a dead platform then your only real choice of CPU is the 9900K, maybe the 9700K, otherwise there is a list of AMD CPU's to go with.
His loss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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I have an old system. Essential components are

i5 4670K
P8Z77 Deluxe
Corsair H60 AIO cooler
Corsair HX 850
Corsair Vengeance 1333 2 x 4GB
660 Ti

I play Battlefield V, For Honour, Final Fantasy XV and Company of Heroes II. Very slow all of these titles and never manage to get 60+ FPS.

I want to have a completely new system. To start with, what CPU should I get? Hopefully, the new system will be able to handle Cyberpunk 2077 at at least Very High settings along with all the above mentioned titles.

Have used AMD CPUs before and not very great experience so AMD needs not apply.

Thanks!
I completely understand where you are coming from with not wanting an AMD system.
Over the years AMD has been second rate and something like 2 years behind Intel.

But since 2016 AMD starting catching up and is now basically on par with Intel performance on gaming and it's actually superior in almost everything else.

The only really difference right now is Intel has very short lived platforms while AMD doesn't and AMD offers some features Intel does not yet offer.
For now I'd say the Ryzen 3600 on a B450 with 16gb 3200 with an Nvidia 1660 or 2060 and a 1tb M.2 nvme minimum.
 
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Well, i will point to another direction, your gpu isnt so powerful and you can get a bit more if you can get 2x8gb 2133 Mhz ram.
If you can get 2x8gb 2133Mhz ram and better gpu for a decent price you dont need to migrate to new system.
Get a RX 570 or 580 or some gtx 1660 or used gtx 1060 6 gb / 1070. But yes, these just waste of time (money) if you decide to need a new system.
 
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Intel 10th gen processors are going to be released in Q1 2020 with i5 to have support for hyper threading to be a 6\12 CPU. I would recommend you wait till then and upgrade, your system is still good enough to hold you on for a little longer
 
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Since you want a completely new system, to me that means new motherboard, CPU, RAM and GPU at least. Cyberpunk 2077 isn't scheduled to be released for 6 months and with a game the size and scope of Cyberpunk 2077 it may get delayed beyond April of next year but anyway you have some time to decide what you want to do before then but it sounds like you want to do something right now because you are having issues with the games you are trying to play right now.

The community will need to know what your budget is.
 

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I completely understand where you are coming from with not wanting an AMD system.
Over the years AMD has been second rate and something like 2 years behind Intel.

But since 2016 AMD starting catching up and is now basically on par with Intel performance on gaming and it's actually superior in almost everything else.

The only really difference right now is Intel has very short lived platforms while AMD doesn't and AMD offers some features Intel does not yet offer.
For now I'd say the Ryzen 3600 on a B450 with 16gb 3200 with an Nvidia 1660 or 2060 and a 1tb M.2 nvme minimum.
Ryzen makes them 1st rate, only fx made them 2nd for performance only, but being stable was a plus.

A healthy oc or xeon and a gpu upgrade would do well for the current platform.
 
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Hopefully, the new system will be able to handle Cyberpunk 2077 at at least Very High settings along with all the above mentioned titles.
You should probably wait for system requirements to be released. You don't wanna spend your cash only to find out that you need more.
Plus, by the time it gets released you'll get more options from both Intel and AMD.

Regarding your rig, I'd get rid of that 660Ti. Just get something like a used RX570 or GTX1060 just to get you comfortable 'till april.
Also, you've probably mistyped your system specs: P8Z77 is LGA1155, and 4670K is LGA1150.
 
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You'll gain more from simply upgrading your gpu and potentially OC'ing your cpu. You want it to handle cyberpunk? Wait until it gets released. By then we'll probably have new hw offerings from every major manufacturer, be it gpu or cpu.
 
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Have used AMD CPUs before and not very great experience so AMD needs not apply.
AMD isnt what it used to be even 5 years ago. They have gotten much better over the last few years. You can probably save a few hundred bucks by going AMD and getting very similar performance to that of an Intel build of equal value.
 
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Have used AMD CPUs before and not very great experience so AMD needs not apply.
To be sure, I am an Intel fan. I don't know what you mean by "not very great experience" with AMD, but whatever that experience was, you should NOT let it influence your decision today. The fact is, both AMD and Intel make great and reliable CPUs. Complemented with a healthy chunk of RAM, decent motherboard, capable graphics card, and of course a quality PSU from a reputable maker all housed in a properly cooled, quality case, and either brand processor can make a great gaming rig.

Now if you just prefer Intel, then that is fine. I like Ford trucks and the color blue. But I sure would not turn down a red Chevy.

Point being, you can't get a straight answer until you provide a budget.

You say you want a completely new system so not sure the point of you listing those "essential components" - especially when we don't know your budget!

To me, a "completely new system" also includes a new monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers too. So you need to be more specific. If you need a new monitor too, what size and how much are you willing to spend on it?

It would help to know what country you live in too!

Last, for licensing purposes, a new motherboard constitutes a new computer. If your current OS license is an OEM/System Builders license (as the vast majority are) you will need to include the cost of a new OS license in your budget too.
You'll gain more from simply upgrading your gpu and potentially OC'ing your cpu.
??? Well of course it is impossible to know that when we don't know what the OP will be buying new. And we don't have a clue what the OP will be buying new because we don't know the budget. There are many processors out there much more capable than that current CPU - which may already be OC'ed.

So I think we should all stop guessing until we know the facts to include the OP's budget and what the OP really means by "completely new system". At least the OP stated what the computer will be used for! :)
 
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The difference between AMD and Intel CPU performance at this point isn't much. In fact, on a dollar per dollar basis, AMD CPUs will outperform Intel when using all cores and threads. But for gaming and single/dual threads, Intel performance will reign, if only by a couple % and due to clock speed.

The price difference between platforms isn't as much as some will say when you compare apples to apples. For example, The cost saved on the CPU will be spent on a generally more expensive X570 board and buying RAM to run in AMD's sweetspot (~3600 MHz). Sure, you can buy X470 or lower boards, but you miss out on anything X570 has to offer through the life of the CPU. So I say get X570 regardless. YOu can buy 3200 Mhz RAM for AMD, but you lose out on a couple percent performance as well. If you go AMD, GO AMD and get the platform as it should be run.

If upgrading is important, Z390 is 'dead' but 8c/16t processor will last for a few years at least and by then, who cares, you get another platform instead of trying to use something 5 years old and a CPU or two generation behind...I don't buy its longetivity considering....

Did you even list a GPU? That is quite important.... as Chomiq said, you will get more with a GPU than you will upgrading that CPU.
EDIT: I see, a GTX 660.. yikes. Old... Yeah, you'll get a significant upgrade with just a GPU....
 
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No one gonna comment OP listed a 1155 board and a 1150 cpu for his specs?
 

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OP stated his view about AMD so please respect that
 
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If you dont want AMD, then the smart thing would be to wait until Intel gives us nxt generation. 2020
 
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Since you dont like AMD and want to go with a dead platform then your only real choice of CPU is the 9900K, maybe the 9700K, otherwise there is a list of AMD CPU's to go with.
a list of which constantly loses to Intel six core CPUs in gaming :laugh:...just saying the facts as both sides have their pros and cons
 
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I'm so sorry replying late, been down town to check out some case fans for the new build.

BIG THANKS to all of you replying so swiftly and with many relevant opinions, suggestions and advice. They are all very useful and constructive especially for those rthat esonate in my mind. Truly appreciate!!

It's been 3 months since I started researching and updating myself on the latest. My budget is basically dependent on what is good for the next 5 years. More importantly, some components which provides important resources like the motherboard, RAM kits and today's NVMe SSD are prioritized to a slightly bigger portions of the budget. Also, those components which have a longer life span will be allocated with a bit more dollars as well. Contrast to those, expendable items like the case and case fans should be as lowest costs as possible. To me, the concept about a case is just a framed box that contains the whole system and it's pretty much stationery in the sense that it won't be ported from one place to another like in a LAN party that very often. And as you are well aware that case fans wear off pretty fast so I would expect replacement every two years or so. Further to that, getting a cheaper case will make dumping it later less of a waste of money. As to the PSU, it's the most critical part of the whole system and I intend to spend on something which has 10 years or at least 7 years warranty. Coolers is essential and I wish to get a decent AIO LCS something which assembles the H60 that has a life span of 5 years or so would be sufficient. In 5 years time, the whole rig should be quite outdated assuming most of the caps are melted down and either the Intel or the AMD chipset would have depreciated by so much that the overall productivity is pretty much 30% gone leaving a rather crippled and unstable piece of junk.

But I want to start with the right CPU first. Now you folks have almost convinced me about AMD. I do notice that AMD is getting very popular and positive comments keep popping up here and there, sort of all over the place. Even PS5 is going to deploy AMD Ryzen 3 upper class CPU and the Navi GPU and that I am curious; wanting to know if Navi has anything to do with AMD. I mention PS5 is because that is an implication which basically says future games will most probably follow the 8 core 16 threads architecture. Whether they initiate multi-threading or not (which I have seen 8700K gives no difference in both modes), these games are going to consume more power delivered by 8c16t operations and will be ported to the PC and PCs which are not up to the performance of 8c16t will be left without a chair when the music stops. If that is the trend, then choosing AMD at the present moment is no doubt, the most intelligent choice. The forward and backward compatibility of AMD CPUs and AM4 motherboards are also a great selling point from AMD. These merits are evident in many youtube vidoes that I've watched. However, with AMD systems, there are many issues to get sorted and need to be dealt with. Recently, I spotted an issue related to an AMD based build https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/ryzen-3700x-new-build-problem.3529260/page-2#post-21359291. I want to have a system which is "Good to go" once launched. A good example is like iPhone, it's all ready to go right out of the box. I don't like patching. Same case with Windows. Fixes and Updates every now and then. Back to AMD, playing around with motherboards' BIOS is a daunting experience. Intel offers a more convenient way to overclock and is trouble-free comparing to AMD. I enjoy spending time and effort to build a new system, but once that's done, I really don't want to get down to the nitty-gritty of trouble shooting BIOS issues, CPU issues or motherboard issues. In the above incident, JayzTwoCents discovered flashing the BIOS actually spoiled the original build which is something really irritating. Having said all that, IF a particular model of AMD is both stable and well established, I will certainly consider given their upgradability really is there.

Some of you has pointed out an upgrade to a better GPU is a great idea also. That is something I have not really realized so far. But here are my worries, RX 5500 is coming up and it is using PICe 4.0 and that is only available on X570 at the present moment. And my current system only supports PCIe 2.0, even I get an RX 590, it's not going to be fully utilized. So just upgrading the GPU is nonetheless a choice but it would be like baking a half-done cake. To make it clearer, do I get a 2060 now and dump it when RX 5500 comes out or get a RX 590 and wait for the RX 5500? Whichever way, that intermittent solution is going to be wasted. That's why I said in the beginning the budget is dependent on what is good.

I read through all of you folks responses and come up with an idea, which I don't know if it is good nor not: get a 1600X or i3 8100 and their compatible motherboards, put the best 1660 Ti in it, hook them up with a new 850W PSU, plug in some nice RAM kits and a lightning fast NVMe SSD, wrap it up with a very cheap case with 5 sides mesh(if there is one) and call that a day. I did watch a video where an 1600X coupled with a 2080 which makes Assassin Creed Odyssey running with 90+ FPS! Some of you are right on that, the CPU is less contributing in modern games than the GPU is. But on second thought, a slower CPU will cause longer loading time, is that correct?

Your opinions, suggestions and advices...
 
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I was hesitant to go for AMD but ended up with a 3600 and I'm very happy with it. I avoided AMD all through the bulldozer years and have always focused on framerate consistency and smoothness on my setups as I mostly play competitively.

From intel the only thing I would really consider right now would be 10th gen, hard to recommend anything specific at the moment because we don't know the models or pricing, but probably a 6c12t at the very least. I would say don't bother trying to future proof yourself especially when it comes to CPU and GPU power, the best future proofing will be on the motherboard. So either X299 if you think you would want to go up to ~18c later, otherwise on the mainstream platform you would be able to get to 10c20t. You can always get the CPUs second hand for cheap.

On the specific issues you mentioned: JayzTwoCents made a horribly misleading video as he used a pre-production motherboard which he had problems with. If you want to have the best guarantee of 0 trouble as far as motherboard support you would be looking for X570. Issues I've seen are mostly confined to the 400 series boards (see my friend's experience as an example: https://forums.thefpsreview.com/threads/editorial-are-socket-amd-bioss-too-fat.525/page-2#post-2988), they seem to mostly be related the capacity of the BIOS ROM, X570 boards have larger ROMs to work around this. That said, I haven't had any problems with my X470 board, so it's more down to the motherboard manufacturer to do it right.

Only thing I've had to play with is memory overclocks, everything else runs pretty close to maxed out straight from the box, so as easy as dialing in CPU OCs is on intel, going AMD completely bypasses CPU OCs altogether.

Same thing with CPU upgrades goes for AM4, I would honestly just get a 3600 for now, everything I play runs 144hz very smoothly on it, if I feel I need more multicore performance I can always swap it out down the road. A 1600(x) or 2600(x) would be the choice for a 60hz max build.

GPU wise there is plenty of choice, if you want something cheap as a hold-over I would just look for second hand cards: Polaris or 970/980 around $100, 1060 6GB around $120-150, 1070/1070Ti/1080 around the $120-250 mark...

CPU usage in games really depends on the title and the framerate, if you are trying to get 144 or 240hz almost any game needs a very good CPU even if it doesn't need a very powerful GPU. Loading times will mostly depend on your storage not CPU.
 

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I'm so sorry replying late, been down town to check out some case fans for the new build.

BIG THANKS to all of you replying so swiftly and with many relevant opinions, suggestions and advice. They are all very useful and constructive especially for those rthat esonate in my mind. Truly appreciate!!

It's been 3 months since I started researching and updating myself on the latest. My budget is basically dependent on what is good for the next 5 years. More importantly, some components which provides important resources like the motherboard, RAM kits and today's NVMe SSD are prioritized to a slightly bigger portions of the budget. Also, those components which have a longer life span will be allocated with a bit more dollars as well. Contrast to those, expendable items like the case and case fans should be as lowest costs as possible. To me, the concept about a case is just a framed box that contains the whole system and it's pretty much stationery in the sense that it won't be ported from one place to another like in a LAN party that very often. And as you are well aware that case fans wear off pretty fast so I would expect replacement every two years or so. Further to that, getting a cheaper case will make dumping it later less of a waste of money. As to the PSU, it's the most critical part of the whole system and I intend to spend on something which has 10 years or at least 7 years warranty. Coolers is essential and I wish to get a decent AIO LCS something which assembles the H60 that has a life span of 5 years or so would be sufficient. In 5 years time, the whole rig should be quite outdated assuming most of the caps are melted down and either the Intel or the AMD chipset would have depreciated by so much that the overall productivity is pretty much 30% gone leaving a rather crippled and unstable piece of junk.

But I want to start with the right CPU first. Now you folks have almost convinced me about AMD. I do notice that AMD is getting very popular and positive comments keep popping up here and there, sort of all over the place. Even PS5 is going to deploy AMD Ryzen 3 upper class CPU and the Navi GPU and that I am curious; wanting to know if Navi has anything to do with AMD. I mention PS5 is because that is an implication which basically says future games will most probably follow the 8 core 16 threads architecture. Whether they initiate multi-threading or not (which I have seen 8700K gives no difference in both modes), these games are going to consume more power delivered by 8c16t operations and will be ported to the PC and PCs which are not up to the performance of 8c16t will be left without a chair when the music stops. If that is the trend, then choosing AMD at the present moment is no doubt, the most intelligent choice. The forward and backward compatibility of AMD CPUs and AM4 motherboards are also a great selling point from AMD. These merits are evident in many youtube vidoes that I've watched. However, with AMD systems, there are many issues to get sorted and need to be dealt with. Recently, I spotted an issue related to an AMD based build https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/ryzen-3700x-new-build-problem.3529260/page-2#post-21359291. I want to have a system which is "Good to go" once launched. A good example is like iPhone, it's all ready to go right out of the box. I don't like patching. Same case with Windows. Fixes and Updates every now and then. Back to AMD, playing around with motherboards' BIOS is a daunting experience. Intel offers a more convenient way to overclock and is trouble-free comparing to AMD. I enjoy spending time and effort to build a new system, but once that's done, I really don't want to get down to the nitty-gritty of trouble shooting BIOS issues, CPU issues or motherboard issues. In the above incident, JayzTwoCents discovered flashing the BIOS actually spoiled the original build which is something really irritating. Having said all that, IF a particular model of AMD is both stable and well established, I will certainly consider given their upgradability really is there.

Some of you has pointed out an upgrade to a better GPU is a great idea also. That is something I have not really realized so far. But here are my worries, RX 5500 is coming up and it is using PICe 4.0 and that is only available on X570 at the present moment. And my current system only supports PCIe 2.0, even I get an RX 590, it's not going to be fully utilized. So just upgrading the GPU is nonetheless a choice but it would be like baking a half-done cake. To make it clearer, do I get a 2060 now and dump it when RX 5500 comes out or get a RX 590 and wait for the RX 5500? Whichever way, that intermittent solution is going to be wasted. That's why I said in the beginning the budget is dependent on what is good.

I read through all of you folks responses and come up with an idea, which I don't know if it is good nor not: get a 1600X or i3 8100 and their compatible motherboards, put the best 1660 Ti in it, hook them up with a new 850W PSU, plug in some nice RAM kits and a lightning fast NVMe SSD, wrap it up with a very cheap case with 5 sides mesh(if there is one) and call that a day. I did watch a video where an 1600X coupled with a 2080 which makes Assassin Creed Odyssey running with 90+ FPS! Some of you are right on that, the CPU is less contributing in modern games than the GPU is. But on second thought, a slower CPU will cause longer loading time, is that correct?

Your opinions, suggestions and advices...
Any computer needs bios adjustment, what most dont understand it is always a good idea to clear cmos first before turning psu on and then go into bios, load optimized defaults, save defaults and restart, then update the bios, restart then clear cmos and load optimized defaults, save again, then tweak

Any computer needs bios adjustment, what most dont understand it is always a good idea to clear cmos first before turning psu on and then go into bios, load optimized defaults, save defaults and restart, then update the bios, restart then clear cmos and load optimized defaults, save again, then tweak
My AMD builds have been non problematic, my 2nd P4 had slong with a few others I assisted building were.
 
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well,intel definitely has some nice gaming cpus like 9700k,but amd offers good performance at half price with 3600.your choice.
 
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About AMD. I feel where you came from performance whise. Before ryzen, amd chips whas like:wtf: to me. Phenom and phenom 2 slow and there later FX series dit not impresse me. However as Intel has been stuck on 14 NM cpu design since late 2014 and by that only gained small performance boost and with that amd with ryzen has manage to al most match Intel in game performance and out performe Intel in many other task with there latest ryzen 3000 series.

With that said, the cheap upgrade is to swap your i5 4670K out with a core I7 4790K and overclock the crap out of it and then upgrade that old gpu. But beware I7 4790K can as other older hardware be overpriced at some places. So take time to chack prices if you go this route.

For new upgrade path, don't go for less than 6 cores and 12 threads. Games likes threads and cores these days more than ever. So either go for a used I7 8700K or a Ryzen 3600 for minimum. Optimum would be 8 cores/16 threads so i9 9900K or ryzen 3700X. I will not recommend I7 9700K as I have seen games make this cpu peak at 100 % load now and then. Reason is that it might have 8 cores but also only 8 threads and as said before games like threads these days and can take advantage of hyper threading/SMT. So a 6 core/12 thread cpu will perform better than a pure 8 core cpu in some games. Test has even shown that dissable ht/smt even on cpu with 12 cores can negative effect game performance not by much, but there can be a loss of a few fps. Piont don't bay a pure 8 core cpu with out ht/smt.

There are also Intel comet lake, but besides a few ekstra cores I don't think it will offer much higher performance gain over i9 9900K as comet lake is still a 14 nm node and ryzen 3000 is 7 nm node just to a comparison. The ekstra performance from comet lake over coffee lake/9000 series will mostly come from higher clock speed and not from better IPC.

Now i have given my opinion. But the choice is yours.
 
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