I switched from LGA1700 to AM5, here are my thoughts

[Kapone33]

@Wolverine2349 Pros and Cons to everything. You're talking about new parts capable of 8000mt/s and beyond but talk about 6200 1:1.

You have money for Cooling 253w CPU with overclock, then you have top board and memory to accompany that. Go Intel.

If you are looking at Budget memory at 6400mt/s and less, go AMD then. You can slap this into a budget board on budget cooling. No problem. Good frame rates. Good performance.

Where I live the 285K is more expensive than a 7950X or 7950X3D. Much less a 7800 or 9800X3D. If you want fast memory 9000 also seems to support faster RAM speeds. Not that it will make a difference and the truth about X3D is that you will be hard pressed to feel Memory speed increases, especially with SAM enabled.

 

[Wolverine2349]

Is AM5 bad? Depends on who is talking. The truth is that Intel are the ones that turned their chips to 11 and it had nothing to do with the user. Why? The MB vendors in an attempt to separate themselves turned the chips up to 12 and we saw where that led. Now how many CPUs can you buy for your AM5 MB (right now). 20? 24. I have not bothered to check but AM5 may be the most flexible system yet in terms of CPU availability. I don't mean a raft of 6 core CPUs but. APUs, CPUs X3D and even Epyc chips. We are only on the 2nd generation too so there are plenty more to come. As an example of progress I bought a 8600G and the 5Ghz boosts blows the 5600G away in 1080P Gaming on my 4K TV. Made sure I got an As Rock board for 120Hz support on the on-board HDMI. Yep all the Freesync/VRR glory in the full range of the monitor.

Agree. Intel 13th and 14th Gen have issues and I owuld like to trust and get stability out of one, but reports and experience if you dig deep say otherwise.

The AM5 platform is more advanced as more CPU PCIe lanes with good CPUs. On LGA 1700, a max of 16 PCIe Gen 5 plus 4 PCIe Gen 4 so no 2 X4 NVME SSDs to CPU direct.

Despite that if Intel 13th and 14th Gen were reliable and did not degrade so easily, I would have gone that route as the monolothic design and their P cores and thread director are good. I fthey issues a new stepping or recall then yeah but they don't.

Though my first choice is more than 8 homogenous cores of modern architecture (Golden Cove or Zen 4 or better IPC with 5GHz or more clocks) on a single die such as a 10-12 P cores with SMT/HT.

But the good thread director of Intel Raptor Lake and its e-cores is a good compromise. Until it is not because of the degradation and stability issues and no the microcode fix is questionable with all the vmin shift excuses and reports of people's CPUs still fialing and no the 5 year warranty does not comfort me that much as you may get another CPU that your required to downclock severely if even that. ANd RMAs can be a hassle.

So 9800X3D it is and it is best for any games that do not benefit form lots of threads. I wanted more cores for more headroom, but oh well it is what it is for now!!

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Where I live the 285K is more expensive than a 7950X or 7950X3D. Much less a 7800 or 9800X3D. If you want fast memory 9000 also seems to support faster RAM speeds. Not that it will make a difference and the truth about X3D is that you will be hard pressed to feel Memory speed increases, especially with SAM enabled.

That's what I love about AMD and have for a while. Getting 4 generations from a platform is good stuff. So that memory will last as long as the board, so totally agree. No reason to get high end memory in most situations. But is supported with the right hardware if you want to spend the cashes.

 

[Wolverine2349]

@Wolverine2349 Pros and Cons to everything. You're talking about new parts capable of 8000mt/s and beyond but talk about 6200 1:1.

You have money for Cooling 253w CPU with overclock, then you have top board and memory to accompany that. Go Intel.

If you are looking at Budget memory at 6400mt/s and less, go AMD then. You can slap this into a budget board on budget cooling. No problem. Good frame rates. Good performance.

Yes that is very true.

But for Intel I think a 2 DIMM board for any XMP memory config is mandatory for good IMC and RAM stability

The problem is 13th and 4th Gen have other non RAM related stability and degradation issues. If they did not I would go with one and a Z690 2 DIMM Unify X. And no Asus 2 DIMM boards were awful form experience Z690 Unify X is only option and maybe Gigabyte Z690/Z790 Tachyon if you want to use Noctua NH-D15 G1 or G2 as eVGA Dark boards it will not fit right. But Asus anything LGA 1700 was an XMP nightmare compared to non Asus boards.

And I hate AIOs and water cooling and only air cool. Even so 253W with a dual tower Noctua cools fine. But I have had a few CPUs and even without temps over 85C (most torturous stress test to ensure my XMP 7000 was stable and PCU itself was stable and vcore not over 1.3 ) on a 14700K, a couple 13900Ks, and 13700K form 2022 to early 2024 (I had returned and sold parts due to 4 DIMM DDR5 XMP instability that I was not sure why and was binning CPU during that time and as swapping out whole system including PSU to tackle RTX 4090 coil whine).

But I had setups that were veyr stable passed all stress tests no WHEAs and it worked fine for 2-3 weeks ro a month then boom a WHEA running Cinebench R23 or shader compilation where it had no issues on those tests only 1 month ago across multiple 13th and 14th Gen chips.

A CInebench app error was the last straw on a 14700K March 2024 for me on MSI Z690 Unify X when it passed every others stress test easily with max 85C temp and most tests only maxed 75C temp.

That's what I love about AMD and have for a while. Getting 4 generations from a platform is good stuff. So that memory will last as long as the board, so totally agree. No reason to get high end memory in most situations. But is supported with the right hardware if you want to spend the cashes.

Thats nice about AMD as well. Though I want best overall performance and stability regardless.

If AMD needs to change sockets to give us better than do it. They can only do so much as with AM4 where they discovered RAM did not matter and gave us 3D vcache 5800X3D which was an enormous uplift over 1st Gen Ryzen. Hard to see them accidentally discovering such a trick again for mass performance upift on same platform.

Intel is doing it but sadly right now they are not providing performance increases worth it. Well 13th and 14th Ge have them, but stability and no degradation be darned. But Arrow Lake ouch.

 

[Kapone33]

That's what I love about AMD and have for a while. Getting 4 generations from a platform is good stuff. So that memory will last as long as the board, so totally agree. No reason to get high end memory in most situations. But is supported with the right hardware if you want to spend the cashes.

AM4 was one hell of a ride and it is still going. There was a thread on TPU the other day where the OP wanted to know if he should get the 5700X3D, 5900XT or 9700X and though the 5700X3D got the most hits at the end of the day no one could give a firm based on the OPs requirements. When you have that scenario in place it is great but with popularity comes price increases that don't make sense to an AM4 user. Black Friday is really the only time to buy PC parts now anyway. I have new Internet and I went to the PC store and almost bought a new Asus Router but I decided against it. I looked at prices though and some parts are so expensive that they do not list the price. The standouts were the 3050 for $539 Canadian dollars and the 7600 for $439. Then I saw the X670E Ace Max for a cheap price of $849. I remember when the X370 Taichi was like $199 and probably the best AM4 board for price the As Rock X470 Master SLI for $149. The fun has been taken out of PC as the princepile
was always no component should cost more than a console but that ship has long sailed.

 

[freeagent]

I have had the 58X3D for a couple of years, got the 5900X at launch, and dammit, I still want a 5950X. New gen is only a few bucks more for the same core count. Its crazy.

Grrr.

 

[AusWolf]

Is AM5 bad? Depends on who is talking.

Exactly. If you're on AM4, get a 5800X3D or 5950X depending on your needs and call it a day. If you're not, AM5 is fine. I love my system that's for sure.