i7 13700k Getting 100º at Gaming

[warriorunited]

Selecting "manual" opened another setting just right under it called "core voltage override". Just put 1.3, or whatever others have suggested there.

That option is greyed out, can't do nothing in there... That's the problem lol

I think I just found the solution here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/11dbq60

Right now I can't do it, but I will try as soon as possible, because it seems like an adventure to undervolt on B660 motherboards

 

[AusWolf]

That option is greyed out, can't do nothing in there... That's the problem lol

It's grey because it's waiting for manual input. You have to type it in, there's no plus and minus increments here.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

Folks, it's the cooler, as Hardwarecanucks found out AND verified with BeQuiet!.

 

[Tropick]

Folks, it's the cooler, as Hardwarecanucks found out AND verified with BeQuiet!.

Yeah the cooler is a little substandard for this CPU but i'd chance a guess that the 1.51v Vcore during gaming is the primary cause of the ludicrous temps. There's absolutely no reason why it should be running at that voltage, it's dangerously excessive.

 

[warriorunited]

It's grey because it's waiting for manual input. You have to type it in, there's no plus and minus increments here.

Dude, you're a life saver!! See how noob i am with this stuff, that's why i didn't want to Overclock I tought there was plus and minus! Now i runned Cinebench and the CPU did not pass 70º and TDP stayed at 175w! I noticed right away the fan of the cooler started to spin slower.

Btw, i have input 1.3v, how much does this translate in performance loss? Because i feel everything laggy, and Battlefield in now only around 90-100fps.

 

[AnotherReader]

Yeah the cooler is a little substandard for this CPU but i'd chance a guess that the 1.51v Vcore during gaming is the primary cause of the ludicrous temps. There's absolutely no reason why it should be running at that voltage, it's dangerously excessive.

Decreasing the power limits and undervolting will help, but if tuning for a good under volt is too time consuming, just decreasing PL1 and PL2 should work.

 

[warriorunited]

Dude, you're a life saver!! See how noob i am with this stuff, that's why i didn't want to Overclock I tought there was plus and minus! Now i runned Cinebench and the CPU did not pass 70º and TDP stayed at 175w! I noticed right away the fan of the cooler started to spin slower.

Btw, i have input 1.3v, how much does this translate in performance loss? Because i feel everything laggy, and Battlefield in now only around 90-100fps.

Actual VRM Core Voltage

Change it from Auto to Manual then change the voltage to 1.3v

Selecting "manual" opened another setting just right under it called "core voltage override". Just put 1.3, or whatever others have suggested there.

Can confirm, doing this, for some reason my CPU is running at only 3.4GHz, i feel my PC way much slower now...

 

[Tatty_Two]

Can confirm, doing this, for some reason my CPU is running at only 3.4GHz, i feel my PC way much slower now...

Maybe try 1.35 or 1.375v then, the aim is to get the right balance between temps and performance for you on that cooler.

 

[Tropick]

Can confirm, doing this, for some reason my CPU is running at only 3.4GHz, i feel my PC way much slower now...

Try slowly incrementing the voltage up until it starts hitting desired clockspeeds. More voltage = higher boost speed + higher temps / less voltage = lower boost speed + lower temps

Try going up in .025v increments. 1.3v -> 1.325v -> 1.35v -> 1.375v and so on until you find a good balance between temps and desired boost clocks.

 

[AusWolf]

Dude, you're a life saver!! See how noob i am with this stuff, that's why i didn't want to Overclock

Modern CPUs need to be under-, not overclocked! Seriously though, in the "good old days", you got 100% with your CPU and you had to sweat blood to get 120%. These days, you get 150%, and you need to make sure to do your few necessary clicks in the BIOS not to exceed 120%.

Can confirm, doing this, for some reason my CPU is running at only 3.4GHz, i feel my PC way much slower now...

Oh... I guess that's what your cooler is capable of at 70 °C.

Try giving it a tiny bit more voltage. 80-ish °C isn't the end of the world.

 

[warriorunited]

Cinebench was crashing with 1.3v. Now I'm trying 1.375v, no crash, 83 max temp and 196tdp running at 4.20GHz and here's cinebench results looking very bad...

 

[thebluebumblebee]

There's absolutely no reason why it should be running at that voltage, it's dangerously excessive.

As Jayztwocents and Gamers Nexus pointed out.

What happened to plug and play?

 

[P4-630]

What happened to plug and play?

Right, never seen this with a new intel build!

 

[Tropick]

What happened to plug and play?

Gone the way of reliable firmware updates and reasonable component pricing apparently..... Manufacturers seem perfectly comfortable with wiping their hands of responsibility the minute the transaction finishes anymore.

 

[Marcus L]

Cinebench was crashing with 1.3v. Now I'm trying 1.375v, no crash, 83 max temp and 196tdp running at 4.20GHz and here's cinebench results looking very bad...

View attachment 298902

Try 1.4vcore, tjmaxx is 100c so at 83 you still have some headroom, problem is you WILL NOT get max boost out of it with your CPU cooler as it's rated for 200w only, so you need to find the best balance of thermal and boost clock within your coolers capacity.

 

[AusWolf]

Cinebench was crashing with 1.3v. Now I'm trying 1.375v, no crash, 83 max temp and 196tdp running at 4.20GHz and here's cinebench results looking very bad...

View attachment 298902

13k points with 196 W. That's awful! I have an 11700 non-K that can do 15k points with 170-ish W by just maxing out its power limits (although it needs water to do that). Something's definitely not right there.

Anybody any thoughts?

 

[Marcus L]

13k points with 196 W. That's awful! I have an 11700 non-K that can do 15k points with 170-ish W by just maxing out its power limits (although it needs water to do that). Something's definitely not right there.

Anybody any thoughts?

He got decent results just setting the 90c limit in the bios, would do that again, maybe 95c max and call it a day, cinebench it will reach max temp, though no way should it be getting that hot in games so quick either, so yes something else is at play, likely the cooler/mount

 

[Vayra86]

13k points with 196 W. That's awful! I have an 11700 non-K that can do 15k points with 170-ish W by just maxing out its power limits (although it needs water to do that). Something's definitely not right there.

Anybody any thoughts?

Manual voltage is 'fixed' voltage so it can't boost as it used to do and it might even have to reduce E core usage, or scheduling is shit and therefore Cinebench results are low? What OS are we on @warriorunited ?

I'd be interested in seeing the actual per core load and per core frequency under Cinebench now. A temp limit might show better results here as @Marcus L points out because then the CPU can do its boosting shenanigans and use more C states. 3.4 Ghz and a crash under Cinebench kinda also underlines voltage limiting is problematic - possibly in combination with other non default settings.

Also I'm not entirely convinced we're on the right combo of BIOS settings right now. Might be useful to go through every influence top to bottom there. Asus Enhancement 3.0 should for example be off I reckon, not on. The board should not be an influence to the CPU's own power management. Just a limiter to cap it, nothing else; and a fixed voltage is the most blunt tool you have on that front.

So limit that CPU through either a temp limit, a wattage limit, or tweak the maximum turbo frequencies, (drastically) lowering them as core count load # goes up. Probably in that order of preference. Also I'm not sure what AVX does on this gen of CPUs but that should be done on much lower voltages too. The CPU could just also be throttling because it tries to boost higher than it can within set boundaries and actual temps.

 

[Readlight]

stop playing games.

 

[Macro Device]

stop playing games.

You came to the wrong platform, buddy.

To OP:

0. Revert all BIOS settings to default.
1. Disable ASUS enchancement [censored]
2. Enable your XMP back
3. Manually set your CPU clocks so they are at default values (53 and 42x for P-cores and E-cores respectively)
4. Make voltage run in the offset mode
5. Input -0.15 V
6. See if it works fine
7. If it's not fine enough try finding the offset value and CPU clock multipliers which serve you the best
8. Buy a PS5

 

[ir_cow]

I I'm glad the op figured it out by just lowering the voltage, but that is a hassle to do. If you have a air cooler just set the power limit to 150 (P1/P2 =150) and be done with it.

 

[ShiBDiB]

Wild how far we've strayed from being user friendly out of the box with this particular setup. Glad to see it was resolved.

Also @Beginner Micro Device we few said the plastic on the bottom because we've seen it here multiple times. Welcome to the forum tho.

 

[P4-630]

Glad to see it was resolved.

Cinebench was crashing with 1.3v. Now I'm trying 1.375v, no crash, 83 max temp and 196tdp running at 4.20GHz and here's cinebench results looking very bad...

I mean my i7 12700K scores just over 23000 with my CPU at around 70 degrees C...

Btw, i have input 1.3v, how much does this translate in performance loss? Because i feel everything laggy, and Battlefield in now only around 90-100fps.

I wouldn't say it's really solved.

 

[ShiBDiB]

I wouldn't say it's really solved.

It's as resolved as it's going to get. If OP is willing to buy a $500 CPU but not the cooling for it, you can only do so much.

 

[claes]

Agreed, only so much you’re going to get out of a bottom of the barrel cooler.

@warriorunited I know you don’t want to buy a new cooler because your pc is quiet now, but if you buy a larger cooler with a higher heat capacity your pc will probably be even quieter. It doesn’t have to be an AIO if you don’t want — even a Peerless Assasin or A500 will offer much better performance and cooling at similar (probably lower) noise levels. Two fans, three fans — makes no real difference. It’s the size of the heatsink and the number of thermal pipes.