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Im getting the itch now to build myself a new system

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@trt740 , you may want to check out this as a further explanation of why we're rather united in saying wait:

not sure my cooler will work
If it works on socket 1155, it will work on socket 1200
 
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With prices haven risnen so sharply in recent weeks, due to oandemic and relations with China, I would say no .... I would wait until the new platforms are released, the 1st and 2nd steppings have been flushed from the market and hopefully, international trade recovers after Novemebr elections.

I see no point in "upgrading" your system remains quite viable and can be repurposed to a family member o r friend ... or just to have a spare box when one PC is on the fritz.

The best advice I can give you is ignore technology boast type of advice.... A smaller die size, does not provide a performance advantage. More cores do not provide a performance advantage unless you use apps that can take advantage of them.

Let's look at your usage and see how they measure up ... I'll pick the $400 CPU price point as it the most common we'ye get involved with. These are your three stated applications:

Gaming:
Financial (Quickbooks ?):
Perhaps a small chance of getting back to video Editing:

Overall Gaming is 8.3% faster compared to the 3900x

Financial programs are basically spreadsheets with a GUI added and the 3900x takes 5.8% more time to complete tasks than the 10700k

Video Editing on the 3900x takes 6,6% longer compared to the 10700k

Photo Editing on the 10700k is 14.9% faster compared to the 3900x

Overclocking can double those non-gaming numbers

We can't guess what the performance or cost numbers will be when the new generation CPUs will be released. The point here is .... Look at the numbers ; the ONLY thing that is relevant in YOUR choice is how the CPU performs in the applications you use ... in the case above, it would be Intel. Look Rendering and you will see that AMD kicks ass there, but if you are not doing that, it's irreleavnt to YOUR build choices

Looking at the $200 price point, that's the i5-10500 vs the Ryzen 3300X

Gaming - 10500 = 100% / 3300x = 92.3% / 3600c ($220) = 94.2% / 3700X ($275) = 95.5% / 3900X ($420) = 96.8%
Its real hard to make a case for an AMD based build if your only application of note is gaming

Spreadsheets ... you'd have to get a $3700x to bet the 10500 in math

AMD doesnt have anything that beats the 10500 in photo or video editing

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Moving onto the GPU side ... and considering performance, noise, power and operating temps ... the price niche that AMD makes its strongest showing a is the 5600 XT where the models ya want are costing $280 - $300. That puts it in between the 1660 Super ($230 - $270) and the 2060 Super at $375. The original 2060 (6% faster MSI Gaming X vs MSI Gaming X 5600 XT) is on par performance and price wise with the 5600 XT but low stock means prices vary significantly daily. Expect the 2060 to go up as time goes on. Power consumption favor the 5600 XT by about 10 watts

The thing that stands out for 5600XT is that this is the 1st time in about 10 years where AMD came up with lower operating teams for comparable performance w/ 61C vs 68C under load w/ OC. AMD also wins with fan noise by 2 dbA (31 vs 29) . So I can't say enough about the surprise that is the 5600 XT but I can't get behind any of the other AMD offerings in higher price niches.

However, all that being said ... everything is just too expensive at this point in time ... so while it's fun to speculate, my advice remains:

1. Wait for next gen CPus / MoBos / GPUs
2. Wait for the pandemic to subside and world trade to stabilize
3. By the time both of those have happened, we should be into 2nd or 3rd steppings free from the bugs in the 1st ones and with better chances in the silicon lottery as production lines finish their tweaking stages.
Thanks for taking the time to post this info.
 
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Im just throwing it out there. Are systems really that much faster in day to day use and gaming than my current system. I remember back in the day being a top overclocker and seconds mattered, but I am wondering If I build a new system, will I go man that was worth $800.00. Remember I have been out of the game for years. Lol, my wifes getting nervous about my new re interest lol.

Short answer is no there's not much difference outside of benchmarks.

Biggest change in the past 10 years has been SSD technology, which does have a huge impact, but it looks like you got that mostly covered already.

If you want to see better visuals in games, I'd say pop in a 2060 or 5600XT and see what you can see. You'll get CPU limited a bit with a 3770 but not much, it'll give you 95% of the bang for 35% of the buck.
 
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He has an itch not an issue, the new Navi and Ampere cards in a few months are going to make the 2060 far less appealing.
They're mediocre at RTx and some game's might come out with Dxr now so I wouldn't buy a GPU now.
 

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After so long of being out of the game Im wondering, if maybe I just don't realize what Im missing. My sons system does not seem any faster than my current system in games. However, sometimes you wonder is it" that you don't know what you don't know". It seems like the computers have outrun the software and games?

I just upgraded from a 3770k to a 3900X, and for a example playing games mainly RDR2 used to see the core load around 50-75% but now it's like 20% and the game feels smoother. I am sure the load on the CPU would go up if i had a better v card but would have even better visuals as well. I only plan to use 1080P so if i drop in a 2070 or alike card i be set for a good while. And games are using more cores and threads these days too.

No regret what so ever as it does every thing else for the way faster.

A better v card would go a long way, and there is always waiting until Zen 3 comes out.


He has an itch not an issue, the new Navi and Ampere cards in a few months are going to make the 2060 far less appealing.
They're mediocre at RTx and some game's might come out with Dxr now so I wouldn't buy a GPU now.

Good point, with that said better to wait until Zen3 and RDNA2.
 
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I agree with @RandallFlagg CPU has not changed much. but we all love the "new" thing.

Here is a video for your thoughts...

 
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I agree with @RandallFlagg CPU has not changed much. but we all love the "new" thing.

Here is a video for your thoughts...

I agree, though a counterpoint is the 3770K, DDR3, and 1155 motherboards still sell for a lot on eBay, which can help fund a potential upgrade.
 
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He has an itch not an issue, the new Navi and Ampere cards in a few months are going to make the 2060 far less appealing.
They're mediocre at RTx and some game's might come out with Dxr now so I wouldn't buy a GPU now.

Been thinking about this and I have to disagree a bit. For one, the initial release is likely to only be 3070 / 3080. You're talking about $450+ GPUs there. The 3050/3060 likely won't be out until just before the holidays, my guess is sometime in November or early Dec for real availability, and they will almost certainly go back to the normal pricing of ~$350+ for a 3060 -if not more.

As far as RTx, I don't care about RTx. I really don't know anyone who does, on any model. I think that is a marketing gimmick.

DLSS is a different story and the 2060 benefits more than higher end models from that. 4K at 60FPS is possible.

Right now you can get a 2060 KO or 2060 KO ultra for $300-$325. The 1660 Super / Ti are running $240-$300. The 2060 is about 20-30% faster, which is effectively a generational leap over those 1660 cards. That performance difference and the price gouging going on with the 1660 line is why I chose the 2060 KO, got the ultra because at the moment I bought the normal KO was sold out. Anything over the 2060 is where you get diminishing returns on performance - going to a 2070 gets you ~15% more performance but costs ~40-50% more. Going to a 2080 Ti gets you ~90% more fps, but costs more than 3x a 2060.

So what I'm really getting down to is, yeah there will probably be a *press* release and some supply in August on the 3070/3080. If you are sitting around with $500+ ready to go watching the online stores, and don't mind paying a 10-30% premium for first dibs, you'll probably get one. If you are looking for a reasonable cost (MSRP or less) and don't want to spend more than $300, you'll likely be waiting until sometime in Feb or March 2021. That is all assuming the rumored release isn't delayed - and it may well be.

We could play this all day with anything. Why buy a motherboard and CPU now when Ryzen 4000 / Rocket Lake are coming? Why buy RAM when DDR5 is sure to be out next year? Unless there is an impending press release / announcement in a week or two, I don't think waiting makes much sense.
 

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Keep your current system, if you have an upgrade itch - buy a 2tb SSD and replace your older HDDs. This can then transition when you actually buy a new system.

I would advise upgrading GPU normally, but with new ones two months away I can't do that.

Upgrading the fans to Noctua NF-A12x25 is also a worthy thing to do with any system, if you're going to hold off on a full rebuild.

Rocket Lake/Zen 3 will actually be interesting options. Ampere also looks good from leaks. Current market is all rehashed stuff or a year or two old.
 
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Been thinking about this and I have to disagree a bit. For one, the initial release is likely to only be 3070 / 3080. You're talking about $450+ GPUs there. The 3050/3060 likely won't be out until just before the holidays, my guess is sometime in November or early Dec for real availability, and they will almost certainly go back to the normal pricing of ~$350+ for a 3060 -if not more.

As far as RTx, I don't care about RTx. I really don't know anyone who does, on any model. I think that is a marketing gimmick.

DLSS is a different story and the 2060 benefits more than higher end models from that. 4K at 60FPS is possible.

Right now you can get a 2060 KO or 2060 KO ultra for $300-$325. The 1660 Super / Ti are running $240-$300. The 2060 is about 20-30% faster, which is effectively a generational leap over those 1660 cards. That performance difference and the price gouging going on with the 1660 line is why I chose the 2060 KO, got the ultra because at the moment I bought the normal KO was sold out. Anything over the 2060 is where you get diminishing returns on performance - going to a 2070 gets you ~15% more performance but costs ~40-50% more. Going to a 2080 Ti gets you ~90% more fps, but costs more than 3x a 2060.

So what I'm really getting down to is, yeah there will probably be a *press* release and some supply in August on the 3070/3080. If you are sitting around with $500+ ready to go watching the online stores, and don't mind paying a 10-30% premium for first dibs, you'll probably get one. If you are looking for a reasonable cost (MSRP or less) and don't want to spend more than $300, you'll likely be waiting until sometime in Feb or March 2021. That is all assuming the rumored release isn't delayed - and it may well be.

We could play this all day with anything. Why buy a motherboard and CPU now when Ryzen 4000 / Rocket Lake are coming? Why buy RAM when DDR5 is sure to be out next year? Unless there is an impending press release / announcement in a week or two, I don't think waiting makes much sense.
Because an itch is not a need or an issue ,and an Rtx 2060ko price will drop or it's getting a offer if some kind.
 
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Because an itch is not a need or an issue ,and an Rtx 2060ko price will drop or it's getting a offer if some kind.

I doubt it. The 3060 will simply cost more. The 2060 already dropped in price from $350- $400 to $300 in reaction to the 5600XT, then went back up to $350-$400 with covid, and now the KO at least is back to msrp at ~$300.

I think you will see $300 2060s and $400 3060s in Dec-Mar. If the 3060 has the same performance as the 2070 - normal for NVIDIA generation bump - you'll be paying >30% more money for 15% more performance with a 3060 vs a 2060. That means a $300 2060 is still a good deal.
 
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Upgrading the fans to Noctua NF-A12x25 is also a worthy thing to do with any system, if you're going to hold off on a full rebuild.
I've got Silent Wings 3s, but after watching this vid the other day it makes me want to replace them with Noctuas - just wish they would release a 140mm equivalent of the A12x25
 
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Right now you can get a 2060 KO or 2060 KO ultra for $300-$325.
They're not know for being the quietest, which the OP has indicated a preference for in their system specs.
 
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I've got Silent Wings 3s, but after watching this vid the other day it makes me want to replace them with Noctuas - just wish they would release a 140mm equivalent of the A12x25
My system is already silent and the fan are already crazy good. My heatsink is one of the best ever made. It is the grandfather of just about any design used now. But I doubt there is a AM4 mount for it.The main case fans are 200mm and silent.


My coolers the Black edition of this cooler
Its a dinosaur but still formitable just like me. I'm sure their are better but it is still good.
 

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My system is already silent and the fan are already crazy good. My heatsink is one of the best ever made. The case fans are 200mm and silent.
Which heatsink is that? Not clear from your system specs. Yeah, mine is pretty silent as well with my Dark Rock 4 and Silent Wings 3 case fans (aside from when the GPU ramps up of course). Just sort of itching for some form of upgrade and performance components are fine for now. Maybe another SSD...

Edit: Nice, looks about the same dimensions as my Dark Rock 4 so I'd imagine performance is pretty similar.
 
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Currently $777.86 You could reuse your CPU cooler, if it clears the RAM. Some might like faster RAM, but $108 for 32 GB DDR4-3200. No RGB.

i7-10700 non "K", but it still overclocks:
 

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Currently $777.86 You could reuse your CPU cooler, if it clears the RAM. Some might like faster RAM, but $108 for 32 GB DDR4-3200. No RGB.

i7-10700 non "K", but it still overclocks:
That's just silly, the only point of going Intel is frequency, so you'd want a 10600k, 10700k or a 10900k.

Fixed.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4ztgyk

CPU: Intel Core i7-10700K 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor ($409.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI MEG Z490I UNIFY Mini ITX LGA1200 Motherboard ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $819.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-02 17:22 EDT-0400
 
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That might hold true for the new i3s and potentially non-k i5s when not paired with a Z490 board, but even the non-k 10700(f) will blow away anything from AMD in gaming when paired with a decent board and fast ram ;)
 
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That's just silly, the only point of going Intel is frequency, so you'd want a 10600k, 10700k or a 10900k.
No, silly is thinking that a "K" CPU is required for a gaming system.



Use the $75 elsewhere.
 

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I just built a new rig (9600KF @ 4.8ghz with a simple multiplier tweak on a Z390 chipset),
wanting to take advantage of newer storage technologies.
The sad fact is that I went into it thinking I knew what I was doing, and I really had no idea
what I was getting into.

Basically, Intel and the manufacturers are misleading the public by advertising their amazing new
tech when it actually DOES NOT WORK on their consumer products like Z390 / Z490 chipsets.
I'm talking about the expectation that an M.2 nvme RAID0 setup will increase throughput, when it
actually decreases because the DMI and PCIe buses are bottlenecked. (compared to a single M.2 SSD)

My old PC, 4770k cpu and Z87 chipset, is still awesome. A friend just asked me if I wanted to sell my old PC,
and I told him I'd like to sell the new one...... so that's how I feel about the current state of the market.

Also, I bought two "identical" 1Tb m.2 SSD's and they arrived with the same model no., boxing and looks,
but they are two different SSD's when they are analysed, using two entirely different onboard controllers,
I am returning them, buyer beware.
 
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No, silly is thinking that a "K" CPU is required for a gaming system.



Use the $75 elsewhere.
Yeah, the 10700(f) is ridiculously good for a non-k chip, probably the best one since they started locking them down with Sandy Bridge and would most likely be my choice if I was building a new rig right now. Just a bit more expensive than 3700x and way better in everything I care about. :cool:
 
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