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Intel 10th Generation Comet Lake Desktop Processors and 400-Series Chipsets Announced, Here's what's New

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I guess if you dont do anything it can boost to 6ghz :laugh:
 
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And I don't see a useful post.

+1 for laughing at your own joke. That's never out of place ;)
You're right, not useful at all, but I do love laughing at my own jokes:)
 
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Frequency matters? It only matters to Intel because they've not been able to deliver actual better performance, that actual better performance being IPC (Instructions Per Clock). That's all Intel has been able to push lately, there hasn't been any real improvements to the architecture in nearly five years. I'm afraid that we're reliving the days of the Pentium 4 Prescott.

I do have to wonder, is Intel going to have a 240mm radiator and closed loop liquid cooling kit as part of the package when buying a retail chip? Because that's the only way I see being able to cool these chips.

These are going to be some hefty motherboards.
Oh yeah, the VRMs on these boards are going to have to be pretty beefy.

Y'all thought the 40 mm fan on AMD X570 motherboards was a putoff? Wait till you see any half-decent Z490 board:
Oh God. These are going to cost a grunch to buy.
 

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Oh God. These are going to cost a grunch to buy.
They're going to be expensive on account of 2.5Gbps Ethernet and WiFi6 alone. I really, really don't see how these go with an i3.
 
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They're going to be expensive on account of 2.5Gbps Ethernet and WiFi6 alone. I really, really don't see how these go with an i3.
2.5Gbps Ethernet is about $1 more than 1Gbps Ethernet.
 

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See? Moar expensive o_O
It's actually even less than that.

$2.40
$1.72
 
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Appreciate the heads up. Pricing is better than I expected(Thanks AMD), though not much of an upgrade from last gen. Looking forward to the TPU review of the i9 and i5.
 
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Soldered TIM (STIM) sits between the die and the IHS. This should improve heat transfer significantly, as silicon is a thermal insulator, whereas the copper IHS is highly conductive.
Silicon is not a thermal insulator. Its thermal conductivity is better then solder, more than 100 K/mW at 50C while solder is around 60 depending on kind.
Improvement is because solder replaced much worse thermal interface material.
 
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I think both CPU prices and especially board prices are too high. Perhaps it has something to do with the ongoing crisis especially for the boards I do not know.
 
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Eh, not a bad refresh really. Rocket Lake is the big boi coming though. Likely this year even. Kaby lake all over again?
 

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i7-10700F (16M cache, 8 Cores, 16 Threads, 2.90 GHz) (4.6 GHz ALL core Boost) $298 Recommended Customer Price Tray Units
AMD RYZEN 7 3700X 8-Core 3.6 GHz (4.4 GHz Max Boost) $298 Newegg

What is not to like.

Yeah motherboards, but if you go for cheaper like MSI Z490A Pro. and stick to this system for 6 years, the price is irrelevant as it spreads over 6 years, and then you sell it at 1/4 price or something.
 
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Wait for reviews and see overall performance. 4.3 GHz Core i3-10100 has to be faster than 3.9 GHz Ryzen 3 3100.
5.3 GHz vs 4.6 GHz. Why can't AMD clock higher?
thanks to AMD you would still be suckling on dual core i3 skylakes, ohh yeah still skylake
 
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thanks to AMD you would still be suckling on dual core i3 skylakes, ohh yeah still skylake
Hey Intel was peddling "core i7" ULV chips as 2c/4t up to as late as 2018(?) till KBL-R showed up, if you thought desktop was bad mobile was :nutkick:
 
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I can see AMD moving in and doing a small price drop across the board. As it is now, a 3900X is in the $400 range.
With those prices intel put up, i would not be surprised if AMD puts up prices a bit up and they could always excuse the virus situation as a back up.
 
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I'm OK with what Intel has to offer given the fact that the high performance/decent power consumption 10nm node is currenlty out of reach for them but Pentium and Celeron CPUs simply must not exist. Running a system with just two physical cores (even if there's HT) in 2020 is a huge PITA.

They could have released a single CPU for crypto-miners or people who just need any CPU to be able to run their system but having 8 of them? A waste of time and resources. It's not like cheap LGA1200 motherboards will get released any time soon.
 
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Skylake is what year again? :rolleyes:
 
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Why the new socket?
 
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Price per core is still more expensive on intel, they do value their parts, but with AMD, you get more of them, intel's top part has only 10 cores at a MSRP(TRAY?!) price of $48.8/core, whereas AMDs more expensive 16 core at actual retail cost is $46.12/core. What is the justification in paying more for fewer cores, that use more power (folks, these parts are going to be nuclear hot and draw significant power), and paying a premium for the privilege of so doing?

Also, there is nothing new here. If you want to keep TVBoost clocks up sustained you will need a river of LN2.

If you dont care about the cost premium, power consumption (strange that you wouldn't, the cost to operate it isnt free for the majority of people), don't need all those cores, don't need PCIe4.0 which is ahead of its time, and want maximum software compatibility, maybe intel is the way to go.

Ill bet my 16 core 3950X will be faster overall, with less power consumption. Can't wait for the reviews to validate that.
 
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From the article: Almost all socket LGA1200 motherboards we've seen so far, barring the Mini-ITX designs, feature at least an 8+4 pin EPS (CPU power) input configuration. The higher-end boards even have dual 8-pin EPS setups akin to HEDT motherboards.
Looks like a lot of us will also need to stump up for a high end dual EPS PSU as well, if we decide to adopt these new parts.
 
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It's actually even less than that.

$2.40
$1.72
How much do you think these 68 cents will translate to in Motherboardish? 20 USD?

AMD Fan Boy/Girls start running b4 too Late!!! Where is AMD???


Oh It will destroy whatever you have it install Boy...
Grow up.
Why the new socket?
Because intel, and power consumption, I guess.
 
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Price per core is still more expensive on intel, they do value their parts, but with AMD, you get more of them, intel's top part has only 10 cores at a MSRP(TRAY?!) price of $48.8/core, whereas AMDs more expensive 16 core at actual retail cost is $46.12/core. What is the justification in paying more for fewer cores, that use more power (folks, these parts are going to be nuclear hot and draw significant power), and paying a premium for the privilege of so doing?

Also, there is nothing new here. If you want to keep TVBoost clocks up sustained you will need a river of LN2.

If you dont care about the cost premium, power consumption (strange that you wouldn't, the cost to operate it isnt free for the majority of people), don't need all those cores, don't need PCIe4.0 which is ahead of its time, and want maximum software compatibility, maybe intel is the way to go.

Ill bet my 16 core 3950X will be faster overall, with less power consumption. Can't wait for the reviews to validate that.
90% of users out there don't need more than 4 cores, the remaining 8-9% are totally fine with 6 cores and maybe 1-2% of all users actually need 8-core or more parts. Meanwhile everyone on this planet is better off with single threaded performance which Intel still leads in absolutely most use cases. Zen 3 might finally change it (for a while) but it's nowhere to be seen yet and we don't even have any projections or leaks about its performance.

I don't deny that AMD made multicore parts available for the average Joe (which Intel denied us for many years), but the guy still doesn't really utilize them in any capacity.

And yes, this is still Sky Lake, i.e. the 5th iteration of it. The uArch was so great I don't understand why people hate Intel for utilizing it over and over again. It's not like Intel doesn't have anything on their radar, no, Ice Lake has been in retail for more than half a year, Tiger Lake is already in production but it's not known when it will hit the shelves.

Price per core is still more expensive on intel, they do value their parts, but with AMD, you get more of them, intel's top part has only 10 cores at a MSRP(TRAY?!) price of $48.8/core, whereas AMDs more expensive 16 core at actual retail cost is $46.12/core. What is the justification in paying more for fewer cores, that use more power (folks, these parts are going to be nuclear hot and draw significant power), and paying a premium for the privilege of so doing?

Also, there is nothing new here. If you want to keep TVBoost clocks up sustained you will need a river of LN2.

If you dont care about the cost premium, power consumption (strange that you wouldn't, the cost to operate it isnt free for the majority of people), don't need all those cores, don't need PCIe4.0 which is ahead of its time, and want maximum software compatibility, maybe intel is the way to go.

Ill bet my 16 core 3950X will be faster overall, with less power consumption. Can't wait for the reviews to validate that.
You're paying for absolute best single threaded performance and stable mature platform out of the box. The release of Zen 2 was a lot of pain for the first three months for its early adopters. Intel solutions on the other hand are usually complete and fully functional out of the box and don't need a dozen of BIOS updates to make them work as the vendor intended.

Yes, Comet Lake desktop CPUs will run hot. The people who buy such systems usually know what they are paying for and what they are getting.

Absolute most pro e-athletes run Intel Core i9 9900KS CPUs. Deal with it! No one cares your rig has 64 cores if it gives you 20% less FPS at FHD than the top Intel part. No one.
 
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