intel 1700 with high speed ram,memory

[gasolin]

Mabye im a little borred but i wanna do a little experience or just try it

intel cpu 12400f,13100f,13400f,14100f,14400f +mb + high speed ram, something around 7000 mhz cl 34, something fast

On a low budget mb, what is the best option for making it work, i wanna try it, use it everyday

I have pleanty i can sell so it won't cost me anything.

I have heard 14 gen should be good at running with high speed ram

You could say i wanna try fast ram because some say lows in games will be higher but also to eliminate slow ram as bottleneck

 

[Carlyle2020hs]

At what resolution are you playing?
Which GPU are you going to use?

The answers will determine where the natural bottleneck will be.

 

[gasolin]

1440+ rtx 4070

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Mabye im a little borred but i wanna do a little experience or just try it

intel cpu 12400f,13100f,13400f,14100f,14400f +mb + high speed ram, something around 7000 mhz cl 34, something fast

On a low budget mb, what is the best option for making it work, i wanna try it, use it everyday

I have pleanty i can sell so it won't cost me anything.

I have heard 14 gen should be good at running with high speed ram

You could say i wanna try fast ram because some say lows in games will be higher but also to eliminate slow ram as bottleneck

None of those will run "high speed". 6400mt/s at best.

Locked system agent is the issue.

12400F is the only cpu from your list that will BCLK overclock also. And would need an appropriate board to do so.

 

[gasolin]

im not gonna oc the cpu it's the ram

 

[ir_cow]

I believe those are all 12th gen AlderLake CPUs and with the System Agent voltage locked to 1.1, you are lucky to reach 6400 MT/s.

 

[gasolin]

I bought something but i bought the wrong mb ddr 4 support (ASRock Z690 PG Riptide) not from the cheapest place since i wanted to buy it today, just forgot to look if that mb had support for ddr 4 or ddr 5

pci e scalling is not that big from 5.0 to 4.0 x16 but it supports 5.0 x16 for a gpu (atm i don't need more than i have) and bios flashback

cpu i wanna try a 14 gen and a fairly cheap cpu to experience how it would be having a 4/8 cpu with fast ram, there is very few 12,13 and 14 gen cpus for sale (have tried a 12100f, i expect a 14100f have improvement over a 12100f not just higher mhz)

Seen video where ddr 5 is alot better than ddr 4 with a 12-14 gen intel so i don't think i would go that extreme an use ddr 4 again

 

[ir_cow]

DDR5 is only better if you have a beefy card and play at lower resolution like 1080. Otherwise you won't notice the difference.

 

[gasolin]

DDR5 is only better if you have a beefy card and play at lower resolution like 1080. Otherwise you won't notice the difference.

really ??? Just for fun wanna recommend me a pair of fast budget oriented 32gb ddr 4 memory ? Not 32gb that cost 150 euros

https://pg.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z690 PG Riptide/index.asp#Memory

 

[ir_cow]

Check out any of the memory reviews. I included the highest frequency DDR4 and arguably top tier DDR4 3600.

With a 4090 it does sit at the bottom of the charts, but remember it is a 4090. Increase the resolution and generally speaking, the GPU is the main bottleneck now.

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[gasolin]

I don't know full hd and 4k and a 13900k, 3600mhz cl 14 is kind of pricey

 

[arbiter]

i have cl36 memory that runs a 7000mhz only paid 115$ for 2x16gb kit.

 

[gasolin]

im thinking of ddr 4 since returning my ddr 4 motherboard takes a day and than another day for a new mb

I think it's okay to find fast 32g ddr 5 ram, ddr 4 is only 36000mhz cl 16 and the g skill ripjaws v 4000mhz cl 18 for 70-75 euros

G.Skill Ripjaws V Black DDR4 4400MHz CL 19 2x16GB is 90 euros

 

[ShrimpBrime]

im thinking of ddr 4 since returning my ddr 4 motherboard takes a day and than another day for a new mb

I think it's okay to find fast 32g ddr 5 ram, ddr 4 is only 36000mhz cl 16 and the g skill ripjaws v 4000mhz cl 18 for 70-75 euros

G.Skill Ripjaws V Black DDR4 4400MHz CL 19 2x16GB is 90 euros

None of those processors will go 4400 ddr4. That's way over purchase.

I would swap the board for a ddr5 and go that route. Keep the 12400F and you will see the performance gains fairly easily. Then you aim for 6000mt/s (3000mhz) with decent timings.

And if your Z series board OCs BCLK, all the better. I found the 12400F capable of 4.6ghz sustain just on the stock cooler. So totally worth it.

 

[gasolin]

Never metioned i bought a 12400f

a 14100, i wanted to have the slightly lower price and generation gain + low temps

12400f might be faster but also a little more expensive + z mb, my original plan was a z mb that support ddr 5 and they are expensive, from close to 200 euros and up (there isn't many used 12-14 gen cpus so to get a good or juster fast cpu requires me to wait for one to show up)

It does perform good against a 12400f and a i7 9700k/10700k

0.1% lows are here really good for the little i3

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Never metioned i bought a 12400f

a 14100, i wanted to have the slightly lower price and generation gain + low temps

12400f might be faster but also a little more expensive + z mb, my original plan was a z mb that support ddr 5 and they are expensive, from close to 200 euros and up (there isn't many used 12-14 gen cpus so to get a good or juster fast cpu requires me to wait for one to show up)

It does perform good against a 12400f and a i7 9700k/10700k

0.1% lows are here really good for the little i3

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Well, you pay for the OC ability of 12th gen. Ddr4 or 5, doesn't matter. I maxed my 12400F at around 5.6ghz and it was pretty stable at 5ghz on a water loop.

But here is GeekBench 5 to example. They are about 100mhz difference clock speeds. If the 14100F had 2 more cores, the multi-core score would be close as well.

I have other screen shots to compare with cpu benchmarks. Concerning CPU, not GPU. You look like the search is on for a bottle neck. They are too similar to find it easily.

 

[gasolin]

I can always save the part i have bought and make a small pc out of it and go back to my current setup

would be fun spending a couple of days searching for a part to add to a pc or just wait for used k cpu, im surprised there ain't more used

12600k(f),13600k(f),14600k(f)13400f,14400f i would look for

F4-4400C18D-32GVK is in the qvl list i think it's cl 19 or 4000mhz cl 18

what memory would you recommend, 4400,4600mhz isn't to expensive and i think both can run at 4000mhz cl 18 if they can't run at native speed 4400 or 4600mhz

As I have written 12,13 and 14 gen used cpus are not that easy to find, im hoping for a 12700k for under 200 euros or a 12900k for 200 euros, a new 12900kf is just a little under 335 euros and was released in 2021

 

[gasolin]

now i have 13600kf (stock)

Can i now benefit for faster ram ?

32gb 4400mhz cl 19 is still under 100 euros

 

[ShrimpBrime]

now i have 13600kf (stock)

Can i now benefit for faster ram ?

32gb 4400mhz cl 19 is still under 100 euros

It depends on how you look at benefits vs what you need to do for accomplishment. More bandwidth at looser timings?

OCed 1800mhz to 2266mhz here as an example. Obviously the cpu clock rate utilizes well faster memory. But ideally, DDR5 would be better.

 

[gasolin]

im stock with ddr 4 since as mentioned forgot to look for ddr 5 support

Qvl list say F4-4400C18D-32GVK but there are only F4-4400C19D-32GVK and F4-4000C18D-32GVK g skill memory

What is it ?

it might be a very little difference but less painfull (and expensive) than selling my mb and ram to go for ddr 5

Also mentally to know i have optimized what i have when i don't wanna oc my cpu is worth mentioning

I can't get that low ram, it's just to expensive and mabye cheaper to go ddr 5

 

[ShrimpBrime]

im stock with ddr 4 since as mentioned forgot to look for ddr 5 support

Qvl list say F4-4400C18D-32GVK but there are only F4-4400C19D-32GVK and F4-4000C18D-32GVK g skill memory

What is it ?

it might be a very little difference but less painfull (and expensive) than selling my mb and ram to go for ddr 5

Also mentally to know i have optimized what i have when i don't wanna oc my cpu is worth mentioning

I can't get that low ram, it's just to expensive and mabye cheaper to go ddr 5

Oh I have screen shots of 13600KF all stock on a B660-G board, but thats DDR5 without cpu OC.

I'd say those kits are likely DJR Hynix, which usually clocks OK, but with loose/r timings than more v-dimm.

Here's someone's ddr4 vs ddr5 mine on 13600kf 7zip, which is memory sensitive.

I'm running 5200mhz memory in this one with a little OC, Samsung b-die ddr5. With a touch of bclk, but much lower CPU clock rate 5600mhz vs mine at a 5250mhz

 

[gasolin]

Wouldn't mind 3600mhz cl 16 vs 4000mhz cl 18 vs 4400mhz cl 19 intel 13 or 14 gen

I also see memory with higher cl having the same or better latency then lower cl memory

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Wouldn't mind 3600mhz cl 16 vs 4000mhz cl 18 vs 4400mhz cl 19 intel 13 or 14 gen

I also see memory with higher cl having the same or better latency then lower cl memory

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Bandwidth sometimes makes up for the lack of latency on the front end. Probably why DDR5 is faster in general. And why I'm trying to convince you to go DDR5

I know the memory controller can do 4400mhz++

The board you have might be the deciding factor. What does the board support up to OC? Figure at least 200mhz lower than what the board supports, you'll be fine.

 

[gasolin]

5333mhz (super expensive)

 

[iameatingjam]

Never metioned i bought a 12400f

a 14100, i wanted to have the slightly lower price and generation gain + low temps

12400f might be faster but also a little more expensive + z mb, my original plan was a z mb that support ddr 5 and they are expensive, from close to 200 euros and up (there isn't many used 12-14 gen cpus so to get a good or juster fast cpu requires me to wait for one to show up)

It does perform good against a 12400f and a i7 9700k/10700k

0.1% lows are here really good for the little i3

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Are you using the stock cooler? And does it maintain its max boosts? I saw some benchmarks comparing the 12100, 13100 and 14100 and the 13100 and 14100 saw some swings in performance the 12100 didn't have and I was wondering if the cooler was to blame, and was not able to keep up to those boosted max frequencies. But you said low temp, so maybe I was wrong on that.

EDIT: Oh and btw to be clear, the 14100 and 12100 are the same die, no architectural change, just higher clocks. 13th and 14th gen do have architectural improvements ( mostly increased l2 cache) but only in the b0 die.