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Intel Core i5-12400F

Xuper said:
with B660 , Can you OC this CPU?
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maybe @W1zzard can confirm this feature from asrock mainboards (apparetly present in H and B mainboard series), this can give more frecuency without blck


:)
 
this sub-$200 chip is an absolute beast in gaming with its limiter removed. And STILL managed to stay cooler than AMD under full load and when gaming while consuming no more than 140W? Dayum. Even if AMD did cut their prices for their R5 5600X to remain competitive, it gets beaten by this no E-core Alder Lake CPU easily.
 
while AMD wants $300 for the 5600X and doesn't even include a heatsink.
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correction: the 5600x's shipping w/ the stealth, the only vermeer to do so (5800x and up come w/o any stock coolers)
 
In Europe the difference between AMD B550 and Intel B660 (nearly equivalent features (USB 3.1/2X M.2 pcie4/2.5Gb Ethernet etc.) is around 50€ so for me it doesn't make sense to pay more than 60€ for 5600X, so in $ probably something like $239 if you check previous $/€ pricing differences.
In which case the rest of the lineup would be something like:
5950X $659
5900X $449
5800X $349
5600X $239
If there is a 5600X3D and it is $299 and 15% faster than 5600X then $349 for 5800X seems just about right regarding price/performance (in games it will be slower than a 5600X3D) then 5900X cannot be more than $100 more expensive, since at much higher price points ($449/$549) the difference was also only $100 etc.
So if you take account TDP limitations and that AMD wants to maximize profits and the supply(TSMC)/demand situation we may not have a conversion of all the current 5000X models in 3D cache enhanced equivalents.
Anyway 12400F is based on a new socket with more future than AM4 and at $180 is offering 5600X kind of performance and for the majority of gamers this is an excellent offer!
 
I am surprised what i am reading here, because from individual youtube reviews, i expected this 12400f faster than even AMD 5800X. Anyway with overclocking will be unquestionably faster and not just AMD challenger…
 
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@W1zzard would it be possible to add a RT test for CPUs? My old 4790K doesn't handle RT very well and I've thought about getting a newer i5 or even i3 but I'm still worried about being CPU bottle necked with RT on.
Could just be a single resolution. 1080p.
 
Dyatlov A said:
I am surprised what i am reading here, because from individual youtube reviews, i expected this 12400f faster than even AMD 5800X. Anyway with overclocking will be unquestionably faster and not just AMD challenger…
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GamerNexus and Hardware Unboxed had the same results
Intel is only faster when using huge amounts of power, they lose in a proper / limited TDP
 
Dyatlov A said:
I am surprised what i am reading here, because from individual youtube reviews, i expected this 12400f faster than even AMD 5800X. Anyway with overclocking will be unquestionably faster and not just AMD challenger…
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On most mobo's you can only do below 103 OC on the bclk stated in the review, which is not going to outperform a 5600X with PBO enabled and you can also bclk OC the Ryzen CPUs as well.

If you spend alot on an very expensive motherboard that allows you to do higher blck for a 12400F, then the cost advantage of this CPU is lost and its no challenger to AMD at that price point.

Overall still very impressed with the 5600X. Still very strong CPU if you own one today. I said it before and I will say it again the 5600X was a CPU ahead of its time. :peace:

12400F+B660 is probably going to be the best price/performance if you buying a new system at the present moment.
 
Kinda expected more from all the fuss people were doing here and there. I don't see this CPU killing anything and the performance is not that overwhelmingly better to me from the hype people were giving. As it turns out it is not that great from what have been hyped. The price is competitive though but that's basically all.
Compared prices for the Mobo+CPU. The Intel counterpart leads by $30 less. People claim that AMD should lower the price for 5600x. If AMD does it, even by $30, Intel CPU loses whatever small advantage it has now.
I'd like to see the 5700G or 5600G comparison with this 12400F. Something tells me the 'G' series CPUs would have been close in performance to 12400f.
 
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ratirt said:
Kinda expected more from all the fuss people were doing here and there. I don't see this CPU killing anything and the performance is not that overwhelmingly better to me from the hype people were giving. As it turns out it is not that great from what have been hyped. The price is competitive though but that's basically all.
Compared prices for the Mobo+CPU. The Intel counterpart leads by $30 less. People claim that AMD should lower the price for 5600x. If AMD does it, even by $30, Intel CPU loses whatever small advantage it has now.
I'd like to see the 5700G or 5600G comparison with this 12400F. Something tells me the 'G' series CPUs would have been close in performance in performnace to 12400f.
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Maybe 1/3 if that of the B660 DDR4 boards have hit the stores and most of those are overpriced Asus boards.

These will be two go to boards for gamers and they should be priced at right around $150 USD once they're released.

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B660M-GAMING-X-AX-DDR4-rev-1x
GIGABYTE B660M GAMING X AX DDR4

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-BAZOOKA-DDR4
MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4
 
ratirt said:
Kinda expected more from all the fuss people were doing here and there. I don't see this CPU killing anything and the performance is not that overwhelmingly better to me from the hype people were giving. As it turns out it is not that great from what have been hyped. The price is competitive though but that's basically all.
Compared prices for the Mobo+CPU. The Intel counterpart leads by $30 less. People claim that AMD should lower the price for 5600x. If AMD does it, even by $30, Intel CPU loses whatever small advantage it has now.
I'd like to see the 5700G or 5600G comparison with this 12400F. Something tells me the 'G' series CPUs would have been close in performance to 12400f.
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No, the G-series is about 10% slower. 5600X is only 1-2% faster and it produces more heat, uses a bit more energy.

Where I live cheapest B450 MB costs 70usd, 100usd for cheapest B550, cheapest B660 costs 140usd, 5600X costs 330usd and 12400f costs 220usd so the cheapest 12400F combo is 360usd, while cheapest 5600X combo is 400usd. The stock Intel cooler is superior to wraith stealth though as you lose 2-300MHz allcore speed using wraith due to temp lowering core clocks above 70C.

I own both and summarized:
12400F:
+More efficient
+more bang for bucks
+better stock cooler
+runs cooler
+faster in rendering like CB (5-10%)

5600X:
+better IMC, can usually run memory at 3733-4200 (i5 12400F does 3400-3800 max from what I've read so far) depending on binning
+a bit faster (5-10%) once fully tweaked due to curve optimizer, pbo and faster ram
+faster in zipping
 
GURU7OF9 said:
You have stated several times the Ryzen 5600x does not come with a HSF.
It most definately does come with a HSF.
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Whoops, of course, fixed now

bug said:
I see you've kept around the results where K CPU were erroneously running on the E-cores. I know it's time consuming to fix that, but it makes 12400F appear faster than it actually is.
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How do I fix that? I'm not aware of a way to control Thread Director?

Dyatlov A said:
I am surprised what i am reading here, because from individual youtube reviews, i expected this 12400f faster than even AMD 5800X. Anyway with overclocking will be unquestionably faster and not just AMD challenger…
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There's no meaningful OC on the 12400F. As others mentioned there's some OC possible on super expensive motherboards, but that's not cost-effective. If there's a way with cheaper boards, I'm 100% sure Intel will shut it down like they did with ASRock's BCLK hack before on Coffee Lake iirc
 
In my country the 5600x goes for ~373 $ brand new, the 12400F is ~ 250 $ with VAT included.

Usable 'read: for me if I had to pick' B550 and B660 difference is about 30-50$.

Tho I'm more interested in the 12100F but thats not yet available here.
In overall I'm liking what I see from these CPUs, definitely great performance considering the prices.
 
Sithaer said:
In my country the 5600x goes for ~373 $ brand new, the 12400F is ~ 250 $ with VAT included.

Usable 'read: for me if I had to pick' B550 and B660 difference is about 30-50$.

Tho I'm more interested in the 12100F but thats not yet available here.
In overall I'm liking what I see from these CPUs, definitely great performance considering the prices.
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You can go B450 if you don't need PCIe 4.0, that will save you 20-30usd vs B550, but 12400F combo will still be cheaper and perform very close.
 
I find it weird where we are trying to save 50 bucks from here and there and than forced to splash 1000 usd for a 1080p gpu card. It takes away all the cost saving and talk.
 
Taraquin said:
No, the G-series is about 10% slower. 5600X is only 1-2% faster and it produces more heat, uses a bit more energy.

Where I live cheapest B450 MB costs 70usd, 100usd for cheapest B550, cheapest B660 costs 140usd, 5600X costs 330usd and 12400f costs 220usd so the cheapest 12400F combo is 360usd, while cheapest 5600X combo is 400usd. The stock Intel cooler is superior to wraith stealth though as you lose 2-300MHz allcore speed using wraith due to temp lowering core clocks above 70C.

I own both and summarized:
12400F:
+More efficient
+more bang for bucks
+better stock cooler
+runs cooler
+faster in rendering like CB (5-10%)

5600X:
+better IMC, can usually run memory at 3733-4200 (i5 12400F does 3400-3800 max from what I've read so far) depending on binning
+a bit faster (5-10%) once fully tweaked due to curve optimizer, pbo and faster ram
+faster in zipping
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From TPU's testing the 5600G no OC is 8% slower (with OC the difference drops to around 4%) than 5600x. If we put your estimate into the equation, 5600g No OC is 6% slower than 12400F. So that is not a lot. With 5600G OC you clearly approaching 2%-3%. 5600x does not use more energy. Not according to TPU. It varies by around 5watts leaning towards one or the other. No clear winner here.
You dont need b550 for Ryzen. B450 is ok even B350 would be enough in some cases. These boards go for $60 or around.
Faster in rendering and then slower in compression decompression with 7zip. I'm focusing in general performance and not cherry picked benchmarks.
Better stock cooler? How is that evaluated it is better? by the CPUs temp? Maybe 5600x just runs hotter that's it.
There is a lot of misleading in your +points for me.
Why_Me said:
Maybe 1/3 if that of the B660 DDR4 boards have hit the stores and most of those are overpriced Asus boards.

These will be two go to boards for gamers and they should be priced at right around $150 USD once they're released.

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B660M-GAMING-X-AX-DDR4-rev-1x
GIGABYTE B660M GAMING X AX DDR4

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-BAZOOKA-DDR4
MSI MAG B660M BAZOOKA DDR4
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Sure, when they are here but they are not here yet and we dont know the price.
Also, you are talking about new systems, I'm sure for those who have an older 2000 series CPU and, for instance, B450 board which supports 5600x they would rather lean towards just the CPU instead buying an entire system. Maybe there isnt a lot of these people though.
 
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e-core is advantage or disadvantage?

Intel: there's something wrong with e-core, so we exclude it
Also Intel: the ultimate price get e-core
 
There's nothing wrong with E-cores if you use Windows 11. For Windows 10 better to get chips w/o those as performance will be more consistent.
That's clearly not a chip problem though.
 
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