Intel Pushes the Panic Button with Core i9-9900KS

[BlueBirdCharm]

Nah, if they were pushing the panic button they would lower prices.

Ok, I literally made an account to go "haha"

really? 12 core at less power to match IPC and kick ass in productivity is not enough? While AMD brings you more core 15% IPC lift in 2 years, dont tell me you think that is nothing while intel sat on its ass. Zen 2 doesnt look like a candidate to you? Yea 4 more cores than competition for same price is nothing I guess. Atleast thank AMD for bringing some competition and giving intel a run



pentium 4

Didn't they famously pull a lot of dirty shit in that era? Can't now, the EU will steal another 1.6B

 

[EarthDog]

Ok, I literally made an account to go "haha"

Its too bad that's the court jester.

Edit: on a serious note, I just dont think intel panicked in this response. I believe they have high enough profits and riding the wave until they could steal some thunder and respond to what Intel has. Yes... it is a response, as can be expected, but I dont see it as a panic move. Market share will change, a slumbering giant will awake, and we'll all have better options for it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Its too bad that's the court jester.

What do you mean?

 

[lynx29]

Its too bad that's the court jester.

Edit: on a serious note, I just dont think intel panicked in this response. I believe they have high enough profits and riding the wave until they could steal some thunder and respond to what Intel has. Yes... it is a response, as can be expected, but I dont see it as a panic move. Market share will change, a slumbering giant will awake, and we'll all have better options for it.

well intel did announce they are lowering prices by 15% as of a couple days ago. so I guess they did hit the panic button a little bit I'm just sad that ryzen 3000 does not beat Intel at every game at 1080p... only beats them in about half of games at 1080p, nice improvement, but still just I am sad... was hoping 7nm was going to be a true leap forward.

 

[EarthDog]

It's still not in a panic. It's a natural response to the market. Nothing you've said supported it was in a panic. Lol.

We havent seen any legit benchmarks yet on the new cpus...so let's not make a rush to judgement my hilarious friend.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's still not in a panic. It's a natural response to the market.

This. It's not surprising, it's something that has happened many times in the past and will not be the last time.

 

[Valantar]

I agree that it's no panic (the half-assed launch of a 9900K with the most negligible OC is more among those lines, but more of a flailing counterpunch after being jumped in a proverbial dark alley), but it's still a more or less unprecedented move for Intel, and while one could say they've been padding their margins for years and that this is a "natural correction", reading it as "Intel is worried" is just as correct.

 

[EarthDog]

Worried.. sure. Panic? No.

 

[mouacyk]

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The cost (in time and resources) for Intel to bin this SKU is hardly worth the ROI, especially with such competitively priced AMD CPUs.

 

[Xzibit]

NOTEBOOKCHECK: The Core i9-9900KS scores up to 12% lower in 3DMark than the Ryzen 9 3900X; 9% less than the Ryzen 7 3700X too

 

[cucker tarlson]

NOTEBOOKCHECK: The Core i9-9900KS scores up to 12% lower in 3DMark than the Ryzen 9 3900X; 9% less than the Ryzen 7 3700X too

lol,3dmark

3900x oc loses to stock 9700k in gaming,I don't think 9900ks will be slower.

 

[lexluthermiester]

lol,3dmark

What's wrong with 3DMark?

3900x oc loses to stock 9700k in gaming,I don't think 9900ks will be slower.

That depends greatly on the game. As TPU's own testing shows the 3700x trading blows with the with the 9700K in gaming, the 3900X is more than a match for the 9700K in most processes and at a lower price.

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Review

The flagship of AMD's new Ryzen 3000 lineup is the Ryzen 9 3900X, which is a 12-core, 24-thread monster. Never before have we seen such power on a desktop platform. Priced at $500, this processor is very strong competition for Intel's Core i9-9900, which only has eight cores.

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Review

AMD's $330 Ryzen 7 3700X is an 8-core, 16-thread CPU that's clocked high enough to compete with Intel's offerings. Actually, its application performance matches even the more expensive Intel Core i9-9900K. Gaming performance has been increased significantly, too, thanks to the improved...

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[EarthDog]

What's wrong with 3DMark?

More cores score higher than less cores. It's just core count winning... and not by much. Also, just the physics score should be used.

 

[lexluthermiester]

More cores score higher than less cores. It's just core count winning... and not by much. Also, just the physics score should be used.

That argument doesn't hold when you take into account that many of the games tested are still thread limited in addition too the productivity testing that was done, much of with is thread limited as well.

 

[EarthDog]

That argument doesn't hold when you take into account that many of the games tested are still thread limited as well as the productivity testing that was done, much of with is thread limited as well.

I wasnt talking about games. Just the 3dmark score like I quoted. Games are a different ballgame.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I wasnt talking about games. Just the 3dmark score like I quoted. Games are a different ballgame.

Fair enough.

 

[trog100]

more than six cores dosnt really count in gaming performance..

nether do temps because most of the cores/thread are not being used..

my 9900k only runs around 70 C playing a game but running something that loads all its cores/threads it will easily hit 100C...

a 9900k will not produce more fps than a 9700k at the same clock speeds ether.. i am currently running my 9900k at 5 ghz 1.216 core voltage with hyper threading off..

my system runs better and cooler this way.. nothing i do needs more than 8 cores at 5 ghz..

trog

 

[ToxicTaZ]

What's wrong with 3DMark?

That depends greatly on the game. As TPU's own testing shows the 3700x trading blows with the with the 9700K in gaming, the 3900X is more than a match for the 9700K in most processes and at a lower price.

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Review

The flagship of AMD's new Ryzen 3000 lineup is the Ryzen 9 3900X, which is a 12-core, 24-thread monster. Never before have we seen such power on a desktop platform. Priced at $500, this processor is very strong competition for Intel's Core i9-9900, which only has eight cores.

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Review

AMD's $330 Ryzen 7 3700X is an 8-core, 16-thread CPU that's clocked high enough to compete with Intel's offerings. Actually, its application performance matches even the more expensive Intel Core i9-9900K. Gaming performance has been increased significantly, too, thanks to the improved...

www.techpowerup.com

9900KS is faster than the 3800X

The only thing the 3900X has over the 9900KS is multi-core advantage, 9900KS has the fastest single core performance!

Both 8086K and 9900KS remain the fastest 6&8 cores CPUs for now.

It's all about the Base 4GHz/5GHz Turbo

I can't wait to get my 9900KS CPU upgrade...

Isn't the 3800X single core performance faster than the 3900X as well?

 

[Melvis]

9900KS is faster than the 3800X

The only thing the 3900X has over the 9900KS is multi-core advantage, 9900KS has the fastest single core performance!

Both 8086K and 9900KS remain the fastest 6&8 cores CPUs for now.

It's all about the Base 4GHz/5GHz Turbo

I can't wait to get my 9900KS CPU upgrade...

Isn't the 3800X single core performance faster than the 3900X as well?

At Games, and thats about it.

 

[trog100]

At Games, and thats about it.

i would say faster in everything that dosnt use more than 8 cores/threads.. which is most things in general usage..

trog

 

[Melvis]

i would say faster in everything that dosnt use more than 8 cores/threads.. which is most things in general usage..

trog

Not going by all the reviews ive seen on youtube/online. AMD IPC is faster/better then Intels and therefore shows better performance in applications or multithreaded apps over the 9900k, just that clock speed wins when it comes to games so intel wins there, as always.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Not going by all the reviews ive seen on youtube/online. AMD IPC is faster/better then Intels and therefore shows better performance in applications or multithreaded apps over the 9900k, just that clock speed wins when it comes to games so intel wins there, as always.

Exactly! Clock for clock, AMD is king. Intel's advantage is clock speed. Even though Ryzen3 can do more per clock, Intel CPU's can be pushed to higher clock speed to compensate but that only makes a difference in certain situations, which is why AMD's top tier CPU's are trading blows with Intel's.

 

[EarthDog]

Not going by all the reviews ive seen on youtube/online. AMD IPC is faster/better then Intels and therefore shows better performance in applications or multithreaded apps over the 9900k, just that clock speed wins when it comes to games so intel wins there, as always.

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AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Vs Intel Core i9-9900K IPC Shootout: Did AMD Close The Gap? - Page 3

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Here too.. intel mostly wins...: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/6

Literary the first two things I looked at... 3900x IPC and then ju.ped to AT as I know they test IPC.

I dont think its fair to say they are the IPC king...but are right on the heels overall and wins in a few tests. Really it depends on the benchmark and method it seems. Now, you go all c/t and add its superior SMT efficiency, yup. But true IPC it looks like that are, on average, still a bit behind.

The problem with YT reviews (and forums, lol) is every slack jawed yokel has a voice...and because it's on the web, its the truuuuuf.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I dont think its fair to say they are the IPC king...but are right on the heels overall and wins in a few tests. Really it depends on the benchmark and method it seems. Now, you go all c/t and add its superior SMT efficiency, yup.

That's because you missed the point. When clocked equally, IE when the 9900K and 3700X are both at 4ghz, the 3700X wins on most metrics(see video below), especially single core performance, thus the IPC(Instructions Per Clock) performance win goes to Ryzen3... The only reason Intel is winning out in some metrics is because they clock higher. This is literally the exact same place AMD and Intel were at during the AthlonXP VS P4 days. Like back then, AMD's offering were the better value. The only difference now is operating temps. The AthlonXP's ran way hot compared to the Pentium4's. In that area AMD is looking good these days as all of the Ryzen CPU lines run at acceptable temps.

Power users will be best served by a Ryzen CPU, even those who do a great deal of gaming because the GPU is the more important variable in that equation.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

That's because you missed the point. When clocked equally, IE when the 9900K and 3700X are both at 4ghz, the 3700X wins on most metrics(see video below), especially single core performance, thus the IPC(Instructions Per Clock) performance win goes to Ryzen3... The only reason Intel is winning out in some metrics is because they clock higher. This is literally the exact same place AMD and Intel were at during the AthlonXP VS P4 days. Like back then, AMD's offering are the better value. The only difference now is operating temps. The AthlonXP's ran way hot compared to the Pentium4's. In that area AMD is looking good these days as all of the Ryzen CPU lines run at acceptable temps.

Power users will be best served by a Ryzen CPU, even those who do a great deal of gaming because the GPU is the more important variable in that equation.

Stock vs stock....or If you're talking about OC then the 3.6GHz 9900K OC to 5.1GHz is crazy fast!

3800X is faster than 3700X.
9900KS is faster than the 3800X.

9900KS factory super binned can OC too Intel top Coffeelake/Coffeelake Refresh GHz barrier of 5.3GHz with good aftermarket cooling. EK Swiftech etc etc...9900KS hole sol purpose is to keep the fastest 8 cores Gaming CPU for this year.

Just as good old factory super binned 8086K blow away 3600X... the 9900KS will do the same to the 3800X.

But Bravo AMD on cheaper 6&8 cores CPUs and bring those stupid Intel prices down. Intel been riding on the no competition train since 2700K till 3900X/3950X release. 3900X is definitely AMD best Ryzen 3000 series CPU Right now till Intel 10th generation.

Love to see what would happen to AMD top 8 cores 3700X/3800X all cores @5GHz+ without LN2