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Intel Reinvents Transistors Using New 3-D Structure

AMD has been working with IBM on similar tech for a few years as 22nm and beyond present a lot of technical difficulties impossible to overcome with current tech...
 
trickson said:
Well then you better prey that AMD steps up the program . As it is they are doing really well in the core area just not as good in the other areas . The strong will prosper the weak will fade away into nothingness . It is a fact of life get over it . If they do sell them at a price no one can afford then they will be shooting themselves in the foot . This is not doomsday here just some great new tech to be given to the consumer . I love this it is just great !
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I wont have to get over the high price of no competition. I already know what exclusive technology brings a company. Record profits. You will have the issue as you don't seem to understand the principle of supply and demand.
 
TheMailMan78 said:
I wont have to get over the high price of no competition. I already know what exclusive technology brings a company. Record profits. You will have the issue as you don't seem to understand the principle of supply and demand.
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Yeah like I don't know how high gas prices are .? Doomsday is upon us all !
I can hardly wait to see these new resistor at work . I wounder how much cooler they will be , How much faster and just how this will play out for the CPU industry as a whole .
 
Well it's no BDT but it's nice to see one of these pipe-dream techs finally applied to a real product.

I don't really imagine intel cpus breaking with the $1000/$600/$300 thing for the beef cakes. They might add in a $1500 again but I think they're rightly fond of those price points.
 
stereotype said:
AMD has been working with IBM on similar tech for a few years as 22nm and beyond present a lot of technical difficulties impossible to overcome with current tech...
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I remember IBM showcasing some cool (no pun intended) internal 3D water-cooled processors a few years ago, it was supposed to revolutionize the processor industry, as CPUs already reach core power densities higher than nuclear reactors :eek:

These processors had microscopic water pipes runing through them thus enabling the stacking of multiple transistors in a 3D space, boy wouldn't it be cool if that technology was available for use on these new Intel process? Boy, that would be the bee's knees I tell you :roll:
 
TheMailMan78 said:
Who's demonizing? I'm being realistic and not a blind lil fanboy. I just don't wanna see any tears when Intel is a monopoly again and you can't afford their top tier CPU's. Because their will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth. And oh I will laugh. I mean you have to be an idiot to think Intel will keep the same current price point if they have no competition.
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I asked that earlier in the thread, are Intel the only ones with this stuff? There have been different solutions to multigate transistors that have also been in the works for quite some time. I'm interested to see how those fare. I mean it's not like Intel are the only ones that works on these things.
 
TheMailMan78 said:
Who's demonizing? I'm being realistic and not a blind lil fanboy. I just don't wanna see any tears when Intel is a monopoly again and you can't afford their top tier CPU's. Because their will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth. And oh I will laugh. I mean you have to be an idiot to think Intel will keep the same current price point if they have no competition.
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I don't get it, AMD will always be in the market, the top tier enthusiast market is only a tiny portion of what companies really care about. If Bulldozer can offer a good price for performance ratio, what makes you think Intel will be running a monopoly?, if Intel innovates what makes you think every other company will suddenly die off and be left behind?.

Looks like a great advancement in CPU manufacturing.:)
 
CDdude55 said:
I don't get it, AMD will always be in the market, the top tier enthusiast market is only a tiny portion of what companies really care about. If Bulldozer can offer a good price for performance ratio, what makes you think Intel will be running a monopoly?, if Intel innovates what makes you think every other company will suddenly die off and be left behind?.

Looks like a great advancement in CPU manufacturing.:)
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Maybe he like to think of Intel as the Evil Chip Maker in the room and AMD as the Poor little man getting stomped on ? I do not know , I do think this is a great advancement for every one .
I hope .
 
And the winner is.... Us!

Interesting to see how this plays out and its everyday impact. As far as the whole Intel vs Amd thing ... Extra large order of popcorn please!!! Its actually fun to watch the whole one up battle. Love intel cpu s love Amd gpus cant loose no matter who wins.:toast: Bring on the bulldozers, bridges, a.p. u.s and what ever. As long as there is a tpu....I'll work ,find burried treasure, collect cans and save to get the rest!
 
Ivy Bridge just got a little more interesting...
 
Sweet, new technology.

I just won't be able to use it for the next few years of Call of Duty releases and Source games. I don't benchmark so I'm happy where I'm at for now.
 
erocker said:
The way things are looking, Intel's current lineup will be competing with Bulldozer.
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Really thinking more

The way things are looking, Intel's current lineup will be crushing Bulldozer
 
AsRock said:
Really thinking more

The way things are looking, Intel's current lineup will be crushing Bulldozer
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I think Intel should call them Killdozer LOL .
 
every side had the pieces of its own,

AMD will never be one step a head from intel but they already had a place on low-mid range market.

CPU : intel 80% amd 20%
GPU : amd 50% nvidia 50%

i'm just make up that number (reality maybe not really far from there) but if someone still bitchying about who's the real winner or where's AMD CPU positions in the future. maybe they forgot AMD still had a profit from their Radeon's

for us its performance that matter, but for them it's all about profit.. :)

by the way, nice vids.
i think i'm in love with mark :p
 
Something of notice is that Intel is opening up their 22nm factories to other manufacturers like ARM and Apple. The A5 will be produced by intel on 22nm. This is a first for Intel because they have always held off sharing their advanced production process before because they wanted to have a competitive edge. So this either means that: a)the new process costs way too much and they can't cover the costs by themselves ( most likely); b) They can't saturate the factories by themselves. (less likely); c) a combination of a) and b)
 
When i read the title i honestly expected something much more complex or advanced than making the conductive part taller causing the gate to surround it more.

I'm sure it will be great and everything but i really thought this was to do with a way to be able to put transistors in a 3D circuit as in the current travels vertically through the chip as well as horizontally.... yes i know they say this is 3D but really everything on a silicone chip has always been 3D this is just a taller 3D so the current still just travels horizontally.

Just to be sure, I'm not saying anything bad about this new transistor, i just expected more from the title.
 
Notice the quote:

"......37 percent performance increase at low voltage versus Intel's 32nm......."

This 37% increase is only at low voltage. I.E. Atom will be a lot more efficient.

What it does not say: You get 37% performance increase with less volts.

Intel did not just figure out how to defy the laws of physics. I don't care how many times they talk about Moore's Law.
 
real invention ? NO

it just seems like an invention - but in fact it is not. ok, transistors shrunk and work 37% more effective, but -it was in fact the same in past generations. :confused: All is just nicely said. :cry:
 
Global-foundries fab 8. (2012)

28nm & 20(-)nm perhaps ,14nm ??? for ΑΜD cpu, gpu & chip.

http://fab2construction.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izea72ojj3s
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/04/19/globalfoundries_fab_8_construction_tour

Do you believe that AMD will close? :)

AMD is the unique company that she has exclusively her own platform of claims !
CPU + MOBO CHIP + GPU

If up totoday the AMD had the units of production in the 45nm and 32nm ready the correct moment, intel would have big problem now.
Perhaps you can remember:
-First 64bit cpu
- SOI (IBM)
-First Native Dual core
-First NATIVE Quad core
-First modern designing cpu with L1, L2 & L3 cache
-First cpu with IMC ( integrated memory controler)
-First cpu with HyperTransport technology
-first 512bit gpu
-First dx10.1 gpu
-First dx11 gp
-Better Performance per Watt gpu
-Better multi gpu & (scaling crossfire X)
-First hybrid cross with on board IGP
-First Native sata III (south-bridge)
-First Native usb III (south-bridge)
 
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"Intel's 22nm 3D transistors provide up to a 37 percent performance increase at low voltage versus Intel's 32nm planar transistors."

Wait wait wait, that's like 7% more than the usual right?

naughty intel, making it seem like it's better than it is.

Not to say it won;t give them an advantage. But no where near as much as people think I'd wager. The tech may develop some more. But for now it's only slightly better than a change in fab size.
 
Yea their power "improvement" numbers (from reading around) are less then 10% above what they would normally get from just moving to 22nm from 32nm. I think the real improvement comes at the low voltage (Atom) and low leakage end.
 
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