Intel to Cannibalize Core i7 920 / 940

[Wile E]

Intel is going to shoot themselves in the foot with this strategy. AMD learned this lesson with 754 and 939. They are killing the upgrade path. What about people that want to start with a low-mid range cpu, then perhaps jump to a high end later? I don't know of many people that would be willing to replace the entire platform for incremental upgrades.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Hmm I WAS presuming that i7's LGA 1366 is going to (eventually) be the next 775... I'm sure I wasn't the only one thinking this.

[TABLE=head]Market | Old Package | New Package | Brands
Mobile | mPGA 478 | mPGA-989 | TBA
Desktop | LGA-775 | LGA-1156 | Core i5
Workstation/Server | LGA-771 | LGA-1366 | Core i7/Xeon
Server | PGA-604 | LGA-1567 | Xeon[/TABLE]

I expect these new packages to stick around for at least four years:
[TABLE=head]Tick-Tock | Codename | Process | Technology
Tick | Nehalem | 45nm | Netburst
Tock | Westmere | 32nm | Netburst
Tick | Sandy Bridge | 32nm | P6
Tock | ??? | 22nm? | P6[/TABLE]

 

[btarunr]

Just get the equivalent Xeon's..

Sure, only $999 for Xeon X5550 (2.66 GHz, 8 MB L3, HTT (equivalent specs to i7 920)). You'd rather spend $650 on the i7 950.

 

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[btarunr]

not hoax

 

[mudkip]

not hoax

prove me wrong , if the info doesn't come from intel itself it's just a hoax trying to make people buy an i7

 

[btarunr]

prove me wrong , if the info doesn't come from intel itself it's just a hoax trying to make people buy an i7

I have a source to cite. I don't need any more proof. Of course Intel won't tell you it's discontinuing two of its chips months in advance, just as it doesn't officially tell anything about the chips that are slated for months later.

 

[MTnumb]

Without going in the details, don't forget that i7 > i5 and also more future proof as a platform. So your HD5870X2 analogy is a bit faulty. LGA 1156 shouldn't be at all, that's my opinion. What intel seems to be doing is artificially keeping a high price for the i7 by inserting a new marked segment.
i5 would only make sense for me as a consumer if it would replace the core 2 duo/quad price range.
Maybe in a year's time i7 will be affordable and you'l be sorry for ever buying a i5...

i can't seem to understand how having triple channel and a QPI makes a platform more future proof. or better put. what makes I5 not-future-proof? the HD5870X2 analogy is indeed faulty but its the only thing i had on my mind when i written the post. and you are 100% about the artificial pricing but that was the plan all along. I7 = super high end, I5 = mid range.
i recommend you read the article over at anandtech and see where im coming from. the lowest performing I5, crippled by a low turbo mode perform very much like the 920. the more expensive version is even faster and has HT. this will perform better then the 920 at the same price but remember... the P55 costs the same as the P45. and dual channel DDR3 is also cheaper then triple channel. so for the same performance you get a platform that costs 200$ less then the 920.

 

[madrooster]

Sure, only $999 for Xeon X5550 (2.66 GHz, 8 MB L3, HTT (equivalent specs to i7 920)). You'd rather spend $650 on the i7 950.

Er.. W3520 = i7 920. W3540 = i7 940.

 

[Weer]

Er.. W3520 = i7 920. W3540 = i7 940.

Where did these come from? Can I run them in a dual-socket motherboard?

Only one link.. I guess not. So these are for servers that only have a single socket.. what's the point?

 

[HaZe303]

This sux for us current i7 owners, what am I gonna do if my 920 breaks??? Im a poor builder, I have never paid more than 400$ for a cpu, and Im not going to start either!? This is truely a low move by Intel. Instead of making me buy higher priced i7 cpu´s in the future, I might go over to the green team instead? Atleast AMD have cheap prices.

I kind of feel duped by Intel, here I have bought me expensive 3 channel ddr3 memory, a expensive gigabyte board, and now if I want to keep this system future proof Intel is forcing me to expensive CPU´s as well?? What a stupid move!

 

[TheMailMan78]

Ok the i5 is going to replace the i7? I thought the i5 was a "lesser" version of the i7. Man if the i5 is meant to replace the i7 its a marketing failure.

This sux for us current i7 owners, what am I gonna do if my 920 breaks??? Im a poor builder, I have never paid more than 400$ for a cpu, and Im not going to start either!?!

Simple. Go AMD.

 

[madrooster]

Where did these come from? Can I run them in a dual-socket motherboard?

Only one link.. I guess not. So these are for servers that only have a single socket.. what's the point?

They are higher binned for lower power consumption (and better overclocking).

Exactly like the X3320/30/50/60/70 series of Xeons (they were Q9xxx equivalents).

 

[HaZe303]

Simple. Go AMD.

Didnt I just say that??

 

[TheMailMan78]

Can someone tell me why the i5 isn't called the i8? I mean the i5 should be faster no?

 

[madrooster]

The fact the 950 is out, maybe there will be a 930 (2.8GHz maybe) too.

Otherwise effectively Intel has stopped those who can't afford an extreme edition CPU, from upgrading CPUs.

Looking at the rumoured Lynnfield speeds, the $284 one will supposedly be 2.8GHz, it would make sense either for:

1. There be a i7 930 to match the 2.8GHz Lynnfield
2. The 2.8GHz $284 Lynnfield isn't true, but is actually 1 speed bin lower (2.66GHz) - like how the 2.93GHz $584 Lynnfield, is 1 speed bin lower than the equivalently priced i7 950 at 3.06GHz. This would then mean the entry level Lynnfield would have to be either 2.4 or 2.53GHz to keep the differences roughly the same.

 

[HaZe303]

Can someone tell me why the i5 isn't called the i8? I mean the i5 should be faster no?

No because i5 is the lower end segment of this newer architecture.

 

[TheMailMan78]

No because i5 is the lower end segment of this newer architecture.

Then why is it replacing the i7 if its lower?

 

[Gam'ster]

I always thought a cross-platform ability was a good thing, Although Im kepping an eye on the I5 as details emerge.

 

[DrPepper]

Where did these come from? Can I run them in a dual-socket motherboard?

Only one link.. I guess not. So these are for servers that only have a single socket.. what's the point?

They are workstation CPU's and I think they can do dual socket but definately not sure about that.

Then why is it replacing the i7 if its lower?

It's not replacing. They are removing the 920 at its price point so they can use the i5's at that price.

 

[madrooster]

They are workstation CPU's and I think they can do dual socket but definately not sure about that.

They can't, they are UP Xeons aka Uni Processor. One only.

 

[DrPepper]

They can't, they are UP Xeons aka Uni Processor. One only.

I wasn't sure thanks for clearing that up.

 

[grunt_408]

Darn it when I done my last build i7 was just out of my grasp, due to needing to change ram cpu and mobo it was'nt realistic at the time so I went c2d. Far-q intel why did you do this to me

 

[DrPepper]

Darn it when I done my last build i7 was just out of my grasp, due to needing to change ram cpu and mobo it was'nt realistic at the time so I went c2d. Far-q intel why did you do this to me

Just buy a cpu and wait till you get a mobo

 

[TheMailMan78]

It's not replacing. They are removing the 920 at its price point so they can use the i5's at that price.

Ok I guess my reading comprehension was off then I read it a few time but it just didn't make sense and the posts that followed confused me more.

<<(Holds his AM2+ board tight.)

Anyway I feel for the people that bought i7 right now. Still I think calling it an i5 is a bad idea. I think Intel and AMD should take up the naming schemes as car manufactures do. Think about it. i7GT for the enthusiast version etc, etc.