Intel VS AMD

[Deleted member 24505]

thank you infrared,my point was why buy an fx62 when you could buy a 6300 for much less dosh and get the same if not better performance.

so what if you have to oc the 6300 to do it,the fx62 oc'd would still not beat the 6300 oc'd.so you buy the 6300 and with the dosh saved over the fx62,you'd have lots of dosh left over for a nice gfx card to partner the oc'd 6300.

 

[beachbum86]

thank you infrared,my point was why buy an fx62 when you could buy a 6300 for much less dosh and get the same if not better performance.

so what if you have to oc the 6300 to do it,the fx62 oc'd would still not beat the 6300 oc'd.so you buy the 6300 and with the dosh saved over the fx62,you'd have lots of dosh left over for a nice gfx card to partner the oc'd 6300.

LOL yeah like a 8800gtx or x1950xtx with the kinda of cash saved

 

[_33]

You can't compare apples and oranges. Borth are fruits, but not of the same kinds.

 

[KennyT772]

the point dippy was making is that for the same amount of performance the amd will be much cheaper. a $150 amd chip will be much faster then the $150 intel. end of story...

 

[AsphyxiA]

im saying this, that AMD and Intel are pretty much equal with intel tipping the scale slightly (for now). Anyways, most should be more concerned about faster video acceleration i.e. better video cards since many current CPUs wont be a bottleneck for the system.

 

[AshenSugar]

the intel I975x = Amd crossfire 3200
so lets use the same hardware in two computers except one machine will have a x6800 on an I975x, and the other will have an amd fx-62 on an ati xpress 3200.
then run every benchmark affordable. and we will see who is better!!!

acctualy as a few others im sure would love to point out the i975x isnt as fast at crossfire as the amd/ati cf3200 or even the 1600(new) it supports it but not as well as amd/ati chipets do.

 

[AshenSugar]

Clock 1Hz is once cycle per second, not one instruction. In each cycle you can execute three, or even fourteen instructions at once, depending on it's complexity. I don't know the exact numbers, but the Intel Core 2 processors can get more instructions per cycle done than the AMD current architecture, that's why they are more efficient, even with less raw speed (most of the time a E6600 @ 2'4GHz or even the E6400 @ 2'1GHz can beat a FX62 @ 2'8GHz, and the X6800 @ 2'93GHz is even better).



Where did you read that the Intel cores communicate between them through the northbridge? Intel has the memory controller in the northbridge, while AMD has it integrated in the CPU, but both have the cores communicating betweeen themselves through components in the same CPU die.

um acctualy intel chips use the FSB to communicate between cores, by design they CANT use an internal link, the cores share cache BUT they cant use it to communicate, thats still done over the fsb same as if the cores where each on their own socket, its a flaw intel hasnt moved past yet, amd on the other hand uses on die ht link between cores so they talk dirrectly without eating up ht bandwith and without high latancy.

know your tech b4 you speek, after quad core intels gonna be forced to find a way to make the cores communicate dirrectly OR be forced to find a way to give their fsb more bandwith/speed because they are already saturating it with memory+core communication+device communication, they just refuse to do anything amd has already done(on die memory controler) not because they dont think its a good idea, but because AMD DID IT FIRST, the ONLY reasion you see intel chips with amd64(em64t) "support" is because ms went with amd's 64bit insted of intels, and intel couldnt be left out of that market.(em64t isnt full amd64, its a hack job kinda like intel dual core)

intel went dual core because they HAD TO, x2 was KILLING THEM, and to get dual core out as fast as they could they had to hack it togather, hence fsb communication not internal, this is still true for c2d and c2q because due to the design of intel 775 boards/chipets they cant make the cores talk dirrectly :/, stupid but hey thats what you get when you rush things or listen to marketing people to much

 

[AshenSugar]

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795&p=17

video card trumps cpu

mind you i advise people to keep vsync enabled as it gives best image quility(no taring) and any current cpu is gonna give you 60-70-75-85-120 fps if you give it the video card to do the job at the resolutions you play at.

 

[Athlon2K15]

ok here is the stupid question of the day,lol how do you know if VSYNC is enabled?

 

[Deleted member 3]

According to Maximim PC Magazine;(Holiday 2006 issue),the core 2 duo E660 in just as good as the Athlon 64 X2 5000, and I can't wait for the new AMD quads core's to come out, then AMD will rule again, HAhahaha !!!

Well since Intels quad core are available and AMD has yet a year or so to go before they come with quad cores I'd say Intel is reigning here.

And don't come telling me "but but quadfather". Quadfather isn't quad core. They're simply 2 rebranded dual core Opterons using 2 chipsets to get 4 PEG slots which allow quad SLI.
So now that we know quadfather is a dual socket system, lets compare it to Clovertown. Exactly. Clovertown already is cheaper, available faster, a lot faster.

Then again, you're welcome to come back at me Q3 2007 when AMD has quad core CPUs and show me how much they "rule".

 

[AshenSugar]

Well since Intels quad core are available and AMD has yet a year or so to go before they come with quad cores I'd say Intel is reigning here.

And don't come telling me "but but quadfather". Quadfather isn't quad core. They're simply 2 rebranded dual core Opterons using 2 chipsets to get 4 PEG slots which allow quad SLI.
So now that we know quadfather is a dual socket system, lets compare it to Clovertown. Exactly. Clovertown already is cheaper, available faster, a lot faster.

Then again, you're welcome to come back at me Q3 2007 when AMD has quad core CPUs and show me how much they "rule".

quad core are due q2 of 07, not a year from now, thats 7months from now, tho amd may put them out sooner if they can get enough ready for market.

quad sli=stupid period, just another gimmic.

quad core will be pretty useless for most games anyway, im more intrested in the singel and dual core versions of these new chips, and we are likely to see singel core first then dual then quad because the larger the die the lower the yealds, hence the higher the caust, i will grab up a cheap singel or dual core chip depending on price and avalability and clock the piss out of it(its what i do), then when quadcore are like dual core are now(few years from now) i will grab one, but for now i will just stick with my curret chip and wait and see, not like i cant already play anygame i like at 1600x1200 cranked up, and farcry looks SWEET at 1600x1200 with 4x fsaa+HDR at 7

 

[AshenSugar]

ok here is the stupid question of the day,lol how do you know if VSYNC is enabled?

first check video drivers, set it to alwase enable vsync, then in the games you play check the vsync enabled boxes.

vsync makes it so your fps cant/wont go higher then your monotors refreshrate this prevents taring insuring maximum image quility, if your on a crt its VERY important to have ur vsync as high as the monotor can deal with at ur chosen resolution, for me thats 85hz@1600x1200, anything under 70@1600x1200 can give you a headake, 75+ is reccomended, 1280x1024 you want a minimum of 60hz higher is ofcorse better.

with lcd's (analog ones) locking vsync is important most cant deal with more then 75hz signals, lcd's in my exp really dont deal well with vsync dissabled, my 17in test lcd makes my eyes hurt when gaming with vsync dissabled due to artifacts/taring, hard to disscribe, but its very disstracting and can cause that nice head shot you where lining up to totaly miss >.<

 

[Athlon2K15]

so would VSYNC matter if i dont play games,i basically just browse the web and my g/f does her college on here,and i didnt think that the refresh rate matter on an lcd because A CRT scans the image at the refresh rate of 60 or 72 times per second for refresh rates of 60 and 72 Hz respectively. An LCD does not produce an image by scanning a stream of electrons across the cathode ray tube. Each pixel receives instructions from the computer to be turned on or off. So it doesn't matter what you set the refresh rate at, it will ignore all entries equally. so do you think it would make my picture clarity any better?

 

[AshenSugar]

so would VSYNC matter if i dont play games,i basically just browse the web and my g/f does her college on here,and i didnt think that the refresh rate matter on an lcd because A CRT scans the image at the refresh rate of 60 or 72 times per second for refresh rates of 60 and 72 Hz respectively. An LCD does not produce an image by scanning a stream of electrons across the cathode ray tube. Each pixel receives instructions from the computer to be turned on or off. So it doesn't matter what you set the refresh rate at, it will ignore all entries equally. so do you think it would make my picture clarity any better?

with analog lcd's they get their info from the video card in the same way a crt does, then convert it to digital signal, the same effect that causes taring on crt(to much info trying to be displayed for the refresh rate) causes other weird things on analog ldc's

and the refreshrate in hz is how many fps you get/screens are drawn per second, 60-72-75-80-85 and the like, higher is ofcorse better.

its only important in 3d rendering really, other stuff isnt gonna try and draw more on the screen then the refreshrate, just 3d rendering.

u dont gotta worrie abou it.

if its a digital lcd then refreshrate dosnt matter/excist as its getting the info dirrectly from the video card in a digital signal, but most older/cheap lcd's are analog even if they use a dvi cable, and with them its best to set it to the screens native accepted refreshrate and res, most are 75hz native, for what your doing its not gonna matter for games it could.

i have stuck with crt's because for gaming you cant beet a good quility crt without spending a hell of alot of $.

i can get a 21-22in crt for 140-160bucks that is native 20xx res with 85 or higher refresh and at 1600x1200 its 120hz, and the dot pitch is .24 or better, no ghosting and crystal clear and sharp images trump small and portable(hell at home for me heavy is good, keeps it from being knocked off the desk by a cat )

 

[Athlon2K15]

not sure if mine is digital i just assume it is here is a LINK to it,dont laugh i know its a gateway monitor

 

[AshenSugar]

both on that one, if your using the dvi-d cable/connection then its pure digitial if ur using the vga connection then your analog.

 

[Kasparz]

lmfao guys, dont talk a crap.
Im proud of AMD, cuz im using more than 5 years, and now AMD is slow. Conroe is much faster whatever you think. E6600 is faster than FX62 in EVERY BENCHMARK and cost less. If we talk about overclocking, most of E6600 clocks 3.5Ghz+ on air while only few fx62 can do 3.3Ghz on air. Only reason to go AMD now is to get really cheap system, if you cannot afford E6300 and cheap i965 mobo.

 

[HookeyStreet]

LMFAO threads like this are simply a waste of time. We ALL know that Intel are at the top of the food chain right now with the impressive Core 2's / Quadro's. Im personally an AMD fan but at the moment I would love to own a nice Core 2 Duo or Quadro setup.

Just because Intel had the sense to design a new bunch of CPU's that are aimed at gamers (like AMD have done for years) doesnt mean they are a better company than AMD!

AMD will release the 4x4 cores soon and we will see how they compare to the recent Intel CPUS

 

[Deleted member 3]

LMFAO threads like this are simply a waste of time. We ALL know that Intel are at the top of the food chain right now with the impressive Core 2's / Quadro's. Im personally an AMD fan but at the moment I would love to own a nice Core 2 Duo or Quadro setup.

Just because Intel had the sense to design a new bunch of CPU's that are aimed at gamers (like AMD have done for years) doesnt mean they are a better company than AMD!

AMD will release the 4x4 cores soon and we will see how they compare to the recent Intel CPUS

Intel isn't on top of the foodchain right now, it always has been. Sure AMD had their time in the past years but they never got a real marketshare. As I stated before. Those "4x4 cores" are nothing more than 2 rebranded dual core Opterons. Their performance will be about the same.

As for Quad core AMD in Q2 2007, I'd like to see that. I don't expect them to be available before Q3. Paperlaunches don't count.

 

[AshenSugar]

LMFAO threads like this are simply a waste of time. We ALL know that Intel are at the top of the food chain right now with the impressive Core 2's / Quadro's. Im personally an AMD fan but at the moment I would love to own a nice Core 2 Duo or Quadro setup.

Just because Intel had the sense to design a new bunch of CPU's that are aimed at gamers (like AMD have done for years) doesnt mean they are a better company than AMD!

AMD will release the 4x4 cores soon and we will see how they compare to the recent Intel CPUS

u sould make that 754 system a good bit better with a venice 3000+ and x1300xt or better without spending and arm and legg, still wouldnt be the best thing on the block but hey it would run games a hell of alot better

 

[beachbum86]

LMAO even after so much proof..the arguing coninues


AM2 in no way, shape or form comes close to C2D performance...! At anything!!

there is no 'Slightly' tipping of the scales..its freakin DOMINATION!!!

 

[HookeyStreet]

u sould make that 754 system a good bit better with a venice 3000+ and x1300xt or better without spending and arm and legg, still wouldnt be the best thing on the block but hey it would run games a hell of alot better

Yeah m8, Ive got the option to swap the mobo and CPU for a skt939 mobo and Athlon 64 3000+ Venice......should I do it???

 

[Deleted member 24505]

i think you should,surley the 3000+ 64 is better than a sempy.

 

[AshenSugar]

Yeah m8, Ive got the option to swap the mobo and CPU for a skt939 mobo and Athlon 64 3000+ Venice......should I do it???

yeah, def, i just swaped a buddys mini itx setup (intel celeron p4 thing) with a via c7 based setup, its the same kinda feeling you get moving from sempy64 to a64 (c7 kicks for a 1.5gz chip tho )

 

[CrAsH cOuRsE]

AMD 4 Life this time next year amd will be back on top of the cpu sales