Intel's 13th Gen Raptor Lake Lineup Leaks

[Porthos]

Depends on what GPU you have.

I have 3080 10GB (snatch it for $620)

 

[tussinman]

I mean I guess if money is 100% not a factor but who whom is that the case?

Welcome to the enthuasist bracket, what you just described is the norm and exactly why I wrote "it will be a no brainer for enthuasist". Not only is money not a concern for that bracket but they cover most of the upgrade cost by selling there old CPU anyways.

I mean sure I have a 12600k now and IF in the far future I can get a 13900k for like 100 - 150 bucks I might get it...though chances are by that time we will have moved up so much in performance per watt that it would be a much better choice to just upgrade

I don't think performance will jump that high in such a short span. Reality is for those that jump from 12th gen to 13 there most likely skipping all of 14 and possibly even 15th gen. When you buy a top tier CPU it lasting 3-4 gens with good performance isn't rare, especially now when where in the middle of a console cycle.

In regards to your 12600k what alot of people like you will do is buy an i7 13700 when it drops sub $250 and about half of that purchase price will be covered by selling your 12600k.

Going from a 12600k to a 13700 for $130-150 out of pocket while still being within 90% of the performance of Meteorlake in most real world performance metrics is obviously a more logical path then dropping $800+ on a completely new platform that may or may not even be stable.

Meteorlake has been ermm hyped by intel since before alderlake was even out and you still see new information floating about on it, raptorlake is the boring more of the same update but meteorlake seems to be genuinely a step forward.

Don't buy into hype, there's nothing about meteorlake that scream Earth shattering. Lunarlake is the one there hyping as the biggest breakthrough since the original Core 2 Duo. Intel does this every single die shrink, claim 20%+ increase and uses tons of flashy buzzwords but in actual real world programs/scenarios the gap isn't much (unless your staring at niche benchmarks the difference between a 13th gen and 14th gen won't even be noticeable for 95% of people).

 

[R0H1T]

Do you really think Alder Lake will be completely outgrown in a year? Why change a processor every year and the motherboard every two years?

What do you mean?

I don't do that but I can change from Ryzen 2xxx to Ryzen 5xxx without changing the board, that's a massive benefit Intel hasn't offered since LGA 775 not to mention Intel's boards get scarce when they EOL their (usually) two processor gen which go into the same board. With AMD there will be less of this issue because AM4 was supported for 5 years! Ok 4 if we're strictly counting processors from 1xxx to 5800x3D. Have you tried replacing Intel boards anytime in the past decade for instance

 

[P4-630]

I have 3080 10GB (snatch it for $620)

If you see the CPU usage 85~90% your CPU is a bottleneck.
I'd say go at least for an i5 CPU with that RTX3080.

 

[Gica]

What do you mean?

I don't do that but I can change from Ryzen 2xxx to Ryzen 5xxx without changing the board, that's a massive benefit Intel hasn't offered since LGA 775 not to mention Intel's boards get scarce when they EOL their (usually) two processor gen which go into the same board. With AMD there will be less of this issue because AM4 was supported for 5 years! Ok 4 if we're strictly counting processors from 1xxx to 5800x3D. Have you tried replacing Intel boards anytime in the past decade for instance

It's very funny that many people bring this argument, but they have processors from 3-4 years ago, even 5. If you bought Alder last year or even this year, no problem, the processor can run the programs decently even in 2-3 years and for more power you can buy Raptor for another 2-3 years. Processors don't wear out like video cards, and I suspect that an 8700k or 9900k is still doing decently at 5, or 4 years after release.

 

[R0H1T]

I'm talking about 2 separate points ~ the upgrade path on AM4 during the course of 4-5 years. Intel hasn't done that in eons, more importantly if your board dies getting a replacement is nigh impossible without overspending on the (Intel) board that's assuming they're even available second hand. This is not a problem for AMD right now although it can be for users who bought 5xxx chips late in the cycle. You haven't addressed any of this with that random video!

 

[Gica]

I'm talking about 2 separate points ~ the upgrade path on AM4 during the course of 4-5 years. Intel hasn't done that in eons, more importantly if your board dies getting a replacement is nigh impossible without overspending on the (Intel) board that's assuming they're even available second hand. This is not a problem for AMD right now although it can be for users who bought 5xxx chips late in the cycle. You haven't addressed any of this with that random video!

No, they are not separate. If you are happy with ryzen 2700x for 4-5 years, why would an owner of Intel 9700K or 9900K be unhappy?! I would say it's the other way around, the 9700K and 9900K can still carry a new video card, the 2700X is a bit slow even with an older generation one, like the RTX 2xxx.
The video is very conclusive because low end i5 processors from those generations are tested, not high end.

 

[R0H1T]

I bought it two years back, not 4-5 years & my next upgrade will be 5xxx chips, bought the x570 board just for that.

why would an owner of Intel 9700K or 9900K be unhappy

I didn't say they would be unhappy but they've been artificially locked out of an upgrade path by Intel, AMD's approach is clearly better here!

The video is very conclusive because low end i5 processors from those generations are tested, not high end.

I'm not sure what you're saying here, was it in response to this?

What do you mean?

Got it, so not exactly an apples to apples comparison but here you go ~

CPU 2021 Benchmarks - Compare Products on AnandTech

CPU 2021 benchmarks: Compare two products side-by-side or see a cascading list of product ratings along with our annotations.

www.anandtech.com

I rarely game these days, "more cores" is a bigger priority for me. But yes your point about the i5 from 4 years back being better in gaming is valid.

 

[spiral718]

Still rocking my i7 4770k with an rtx 2060 super and playing games released in 2022 medium to high settings. Still waiting for a need to upgrade and seriously not seeing yet.

It's very funny that many people bring this argument, but they have processors from 3-4 years ago, even 5. If you bought Alder last year or even this year, no problem, the processor can run the programs decently even in 2-3 years and for more power you can buy Raptor for another 2-3 years. Processors don't wear out like video cards, and I suspect that an 8700k or 9900k is still doing decently at 5, or 4 years after release.

 

[P4-630]

Still rocking my i7 4770k with an rtx 2060 super and playing games released in 2022 medium to high settings. Still waiting for a need to upgrade and seriously not seeing yet.

You ain't playing the right games...

j/k

 

[spiral718]

You ain't playing the right games...

j/k

i was waiting for a dumb ass to reply...and you win the prize!

j/k

 

[RandallFlagg]

i was waiting for a dumb ass to reply...and you win the prize!

j/k

You just need a higher rez monitor, will make your CPU last longer

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

yes, a year from now, I just dont understand why you would jump onboard now when you havent for alderlake...

Because im poor and cant afford yearly upgrades?

 

[openbox1980]

Because im poor and cant afford yearly upgrades?

If you are poor, just become rich, problem solved

 

[gffermari]

Still rocking my i7 4770k with an rtx 2060 super and playing games released in 2022 medium to high settings. Still waiting for a need to upgrade and seriously not seeing yet.

I had this cpu for donkeys years....Amazing cpu but when it was bottlenecking my 2080 in a few games.
Obviously that bottlenecking never stopped me for playing everything.
It was just psychological issue when I was watching the gpu at 70-80% usage.

QX6700->4770K->3700X->5800X3D

 

[Gica]

I bought it two years back, not 4-5 years & my next upgrade will be 5xxx chips, bought the x570 board just for that.

I didn't say they would be unhappy but they've been artificially locked out of an upgrade path by Intel, AMD's approach is clearly better here!

I'm not sure what you're saying here, was it in response to this?


Got it, so not exactly an apples to apples comparison but here you go ~

CPU 2021 Benchmarks - Compare Products on AnandTech

CPU 2021 benchmarks: Compare two products side-by-side or see a cascading list of product ratings along with our annotations.

www.anandtech.com

I rarely game these days, "more cores" is a bigger priority for me. But yes your point about the i5 from 4 years back being better in gaming is valid.

Unfortunately for you, most of them buy processors and video cards for personal needs and not to run benchmarks. Maybe they run them, but out of curiosity. For them, these components are ok until they no longer satisfy their requirements.

1. Below you have a demo with 11600KF 6c/6t @ 4GHz. Default runs with 6c/12t, 4.6GHz all cores and 4.9GHz 2 cores. My AIO keeps it with ok temperatures with 4.8GHz all cores in heavy load or 5GHz in gaming. No oc needed for RTX 3070Ti, stock is enough.
Age: 15 months.
Target: as long as I'll keep the video card (and I'll keep it for a long time from now on)
Can I upgrade in the future? Sure you do! It's just an i5.

2. The link you posted is equal to zero when the 2700X is surpassed in games by the i3-10100, 10300, R3 3300X and is at the level of an i5-8400.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

If you are poor, just become rich, problem solved

Ill start with accepting donations. Wanna be first?

 

[openbox1980]

Ill start with accepting donations. Wanna be first?

i'll pass it to the next person, thz for thinking of me.

 

[Porthos]

If you see the CPU usage 85~90% your CPU is a bottleneck.
I'd say go at least for an i5 CPU with that RTX3080.

My PC for gaming only and I think 12100f is a beast in 4k (CPU usage more like like 40-55%)
And I can always upgrade when needed.

 

[ARF]

It's not stepping. It's a common mistake. Stepping denotes the version of the lithography factory equipment used to make the chip.
Revision is the version of the chip.

You have to use revision B0, not stepping B0, stepping can be 0, 1, 2, 3, etc... Revision can be A0, A1, B0, B1, etc.

 

[Jimmy_]

interesting numbers especially the new T - now it all about price Vs Ryzen 7000

 

[Rob6502TPU]

It makes me wonder how close to worst case are actually running in all the different rigs. Now that AMD is pushing higher power and temps, they will have a similar problem.

Except AMD throttle to a TDP, Intel allowed the tau value set for infinitely long max power under continuous load. There's perverse incentives to run out of spec, unless Intel enforce them, benchmarks usually are conducted without policing power used.

Zen4 is using thermal management, so good cooling boosts performance and high temps reduce power. Prolonged heavy load dropping to TDP figure should mean OEMs can choose appropriate coolers.

 

[AM4isGOD]

AMD 7xxx will be a better deal than 13xx intel because it generates less heat,

Does it now?
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000...c-230w-ryzen-5-7600x-up-to-90c-at-120w-rumor/

 

[RandallFlagg]

Raichu tested 13900K with DDR5-6400 C34-38-38-46 at defaults (no CPU OC, presumably 250W max).

Highest 7950X score I know of vs this 13900K :

 

[AM4isGOD]

13900k is 3ghz default? at 5ghz+ it will be stonking, if a bit warm lol

From a few things i have seen, i think AMD has lost this round, but of course, until reviewers actually get their hands on both, it is all nought but speculation and guessing.