Is it Bottleneck on this system possible ?

[StanMen]

Hi guys,

Just a quick question I already have been advised that I have no limitations on my system in other words no bottleneck, but still would like to know from some professionals here at the forum, my system in the description or below.

Spec:

Monitor G-Sync 1080p 75hz monitor wide 24.5inch

Ram 32Gb quad 3200Mhz
CPU - I7 6850k OCed all cores 4.3Ghz
Board Gigabyte - x99- 2011v3 Wifi Gaming G1
GPU - MSI RTX 2080 Super Trio X OC- core 70% - Mem -74% is not even OC just slight boost Nvidia drivers 446.14
PSU -850Watts Fully Modular Corsair
m.2 SSD 500Gb Samsung Evo pro and 250SSD Gigabyte
Cooling CPU - EK MLC-240mm Phoenix push and pull, and lots of case fans totaling to 4 lots of airflow

Windows 10Pro 64 all to date

All performance so far and tests show GPU always at 99% CPU bearly get to 30% and in some titles, only one core used the same scenario, BFV CPU usage max i saw was 35%

Let me know guys

 

[Ruru]

Well, 6850K is still a pretty powerful CPU and I doubt that it will bottleneck even a 2080 Super. Does games run like they should?

 

[EarthDog]

Maybe if you game at 1080p....you can overclock the cpu and get more out of it...

Otherwise, no real bottleneck gaming, no.

 

[P4-630]

Monitor G-Sync 1080p 75hz monitor wide 24.5inch

That's your bottleneck....

Buy a 144/165Hz 1440p monitor.

 

[Ruru]

Maybe if you game at 1080p....you can overclock the cpu and get more out of it...

Otherwise, no real bottleneck gaming, no.

BW-E doesn't OC as high as HW-E, 4.3 is pretty typical for a BW-E chip AFAIK.

 

[EarthDog]

BW-E doesn't OC as high as HW-E, 4.3 is pretty typical for a BW-E chip AFAIK.

Indeed. More can't hurt if it can reach it is the point. I didn't catch he was already overclocked.

THat said, I forget that is BW-E... IPC may be a few % lower too...

But it seems the dude games at 2560x1440(?) so CPU speed doesn't matter quite as much.

 

[StanMen]

Hey guys,

Thanks for fast feedback, well I know my monitor is a downside on this build, now I'm going to upgrade my monitor and later on I'm thinking of getting the I7 10700K 5.1Ghz and nice performance motherboard so that should be near future, but the first monitor and thinking on 1440p at least 144Hz around that spec for my system


Also, question my friend got a system with 6600K oced to 4.4Ghz and he got himself new RTX2070 Gaming Z from MSI and he got 16Gb 3600Mhz ddr4 memory now he is very concern if his CPU is bottlenecking his RTX2070 Z? is that 6600K good for this GPU? also his CPU is oced quite nice 4.4Ghz

thanks all

 

[Ruru]

Hey guys,

Thanks for fast feedback, well I know my monitor is a downside on this build, now I'm going to upgrade my monitor and later on I'm thinking of getting the I7 10700K 5.1Ghz and nice performance motherboard so that should be near future, but the first monitor and thinking on 1440p at least 144Hz around that spec for my system


Also, question my friend got a system with 6600K oced to 4.4Ghz and he got himself new RTX2070 Gaming Z from MSI and he got 16Gb 3600Mhz ddr4 memory now he is very concern if his CPU is bottlenecking his RTX2070 Z? is that 6600K good for this GPU? also his CPU is oced quite nice 4.4Ghz

thanks all

4c/4t is too slow IMO for a card like 2070. I had a 7600K @ 4.7 and I felt that it bottlenecked even a 980; I got a 7700K @ 5.1 and games ran hella better.

 

[StanMen]

Indeed. More can't hurt if it can reach it is the point. I didn't catch he was already overclocked.

THat said, I forget that is BW-E... IPC may be a few % lower too...

But it seems the dude games at 2560x1440(?) so CPU speed doesn't matter quite as much.

Well my monitor max is 1080p 75hz g-sync so most titles I have my g-sync on so limiting to 75fps across all the board

As said will get new monitor later on get rid of this small monitor

 

[EarthDog]

4c/4t is too slow IMO for a card like 2070. I had a 7600K @ 4.7 and I felt that it bottlenecked even a 980; I got a 7700K @ 5.1 and games ran hella better.

It's not so much the CPU holds the GPU back speed wise, but the increased core count, or in this case lackthereof, can effect performance.

Well my monitor max is 1080p 75hz g-sync so most titles I have my g-sync on so limiting to 75fps across all the board

As said will get new monitor later on get rid of this small monitor

So, yeah, your CPU is likely holding you back some at 1080p... but since you run locked at 75Hz, it doesn't matter.

 

[Ruru]

It's not so much the CPU holds the GPU back speed wise, but the increased core count, or in this case lackthereof, can effect performance.

Yeah, my point kinda was that the 4c/4t just wasn't enough and the 4c/8t CPU got more of the GPU as the CPU wasn't bottlenecking anymore.

 

[xtreemchaos]

yes agreed you should be allright at 1080p but 1440 may have prob, maybe cpu upgrade should be on the cards if you get a faster monitor.

 

[EarthDog]

yes agreed you should be allright at 1080p but 1440 may have prob, maybe cpu upgrade should be on the cards if you get a faster monitor.

????

As you increase in resolution, the need for a fast CPU goes DOWN. If you meant the GPU, I have a 2080 Super at 2560x1440 res and it pushes my 144 Hz monitor without issue. In a few cases I need to turn down IQ to have it pinned there, but otherwise it works great at the higher res.

 

[Ruru]

????

As you increase in resolution, the need for a fast CPU goes DOWN.

Exactly. That's why 1440p/4K isn't the resolution when testing between CPUs in reviews since it gives more work to the GPU.

 

[xtreemchaos]

sorry i wrote morethan i was thinking faster refresh monitor, i reserve the right to be wrong

 

[StanMen]

well at the moment my PC handles anything and as said my i7 6/12 core CPU is OCed to 4.3Ghz on all cores and in all tests benchmarks is not even using all cores and bearly reach 30% of usage the 2080S trio is powering up to 99% GPU and I limit my fps to 75, as using g-sync and that is smooth as butter my bf5 with RTX on and all set to highest even the upscale set to 150% min 75fps max 75fps, haha but in some cases fps jumps to 78fps but then get back to 75 due to the lock of g-sync.

o next thing is monitor and I have informed sweet spot is 2k as no need 4k and they are quite expensive here in the UK

The above regarding the i5 6600K is my best friends CPU that he currently got and he will be upgrading but atm he got that and is also paired with 1080p monitor but at 60Hz unfortunately, and GPU is an MSI RTX 2070 Gaming Z quite the beast card and he has very solid build only thing is the CPU as rest is quite powerful.

 

[EarthDog]

sorry i wrote morethan i was thinking faster refresh monitor, i reserve the right to be wrong

lol no worries.

We also reserve the right to be, well, right(correct wrongs).

well at the moment my PC handles anything and as said my i7 6/12 core CPU is OCed to 4.3Ghz on all cores and in all tests benchmarks is not even using all cores and bearly reach 30% of usage the 2080S trio is powering up to 99% GPU and I limit my fps to 75, as using g-sync and that is smooth as butter my bf5 with RTX on and all set to highest even the upscale set to 150% min 75fps max 75fps, haha but in some cases fps jumps to 78fps but then get back to 75 due to the lock of g-sync.

o next thing is monitor and I have informed sweet spot is 2k as no need 4k and they are quite expensive here in the UK

The above regarding the i5 6600K is my best friends CPU that he currently got and he will be upgrading but atm he got that and is also paired with 1080p monitor but at 60Hz unfortunately, and GPU is an MSI RTX 2070 Gaming Z quite the beast card and he has very solid build only thing is the CPU as rest is quite powerful.

Maybe a new keyboard? Is your period button broken?

Just an FYI... 2K = 2048x1080. YOu want a 2560x1440 monitor. Damn Newegg an everyone else for screwing that up!!! Lol

 

[Ruru]

Just an FYI... 2K = 2048x1080. YOu want a 2560x1440 monitor. Damn Newegg an everyone else for screwing that up!!! Lol

"2K" is one hella stupid marketing name, when 3840x2160 is called 4K, then why 2560x1440 is called 2K... That makes more sense if FullHD would be called 2K.

 

[xtreemchaos]

i agree thay should just call it what it is, im sure thay just like to confuse folk.

 

[EarthDog]

"2K" is one hella stupid marketing name, when 3840x2160 is called 4K, then why 2560x1440 is called 2K... That makes more sense if FullHD would be called 2K.

4K that you listed/we know is actually 4k UHD. 4K is different.

 

[Vayra86]

Hey guys,

Thanks for fast feedback, well I know my monitor is a downside on this build, now I'm going to upgrade my monitor and later on I'm thinking of getting the I7 10700K 5.1Ghz and nice performance motherboard so that should be near future, but the first monitor and thinking on 1440p at least 144Hz around that spec for my system


Also, question my friend got a system with 6600K oced to 4.4Ghz and he got himself new RTX2070 Gaming Z from MSI and he got 16Gb 3600Mhz ddr4 memory now he is very concern if his CPU is bottlenecking his RTX2070 Z? is that 6600K good for this GPU? also his CPU is oced quite nice 4.4Ghz

thanks all

I get the impression you've all been watching a bit too much overinflated Youtube 'press' speaking of 'bottleneck'.

Its important to get the definition right. EVERY PC has a bottleneck. Even multiple. And they vary depending on use case, but also as time passes and demands for, for example games change.

What you really ask is whether you have a balanced system. And yes, you do. But that doesn't mean you won't lose a few% of your maximum potential GPU performance here or there. Or that changes in demands will for example create new bottlenecks on, say, storage or system RAM.

Same goes for your buddy. A 6600K with a 2070 is certainly 'bottlenecked' in the sense that a higher thread count CPU will provide much better results in especially new games. But at the same time, as long as he is running a 60hz monitor, the ONLY games where he might notice a problem is where he is lacking threads in a big way and drops lower than 60fps. And those games, while they exist, are still rare. If he was to upgrade to a 120hz or faster monitor, then yes, there is much more performance to be unlocked with a better CPU - especially in CPU heavy titles.

Irony: upgrading one part, for example a monitor, will show you new bottlenecks elsewhere Its a never ending story. Welcome to the upgrade itch

 

[StanMen]

I get the impression you've all been watching a bit too much overinflated Youtube 'press' speaking of 'bottleneck'.

Its important to get the definition right. EVERY PC has a bottleneck. Even multiple. And they vary depending on use case, but also as time passes and demands for, for example games change.

What you really ask is whether you have a balanced system. And yes, you do. But that doesn't mean you won't lose a few% of your maximum potential GPU performance here or there. Or that changes in demands will for example create new bottlenecks on, say, storage or system RAM.

Same goes for your buddy. A 6600K with a 2070 is certainly 'bottlenecked' in the sense that a higher thread count CPU will provide much better results in especially new games. But at the same time, as long as he is running a 60hz monitor, the ONLY games where he might notice a problem is where he is lacking threads in a big way and drops lower than 60fps. And those games, while they exist, are still rare. If he was to upgrade to a 120hz or faster monitor, then yes, there is much more performance to be unlocked with a better CPU - especially in CPU heavy titles.

Irony: upgrading one part, for example a monitor, will show you new bottlenecks elsewhere Its a never ending story. Welcome to the upgrade itch

Thanks, Vayra86,

I'm glad I have the very solid answer and I just advised my friend on his system, so realistically his i5 6600k @4.4Ghz is great for the 1080p locked @60hz with RTX 2070Z, as we did some test yesterday and he was running bfv quite amazing solid 60fps locked and no dips all ultra and RTX on, but of course, some dips present when dlss is on along with RTX and some options such as dept of view, the thing that makes effects when you zoom the scope all around is blurred and focused only on the center of the scope so this two options on and RTX and DLSS some deeps are seen but not drastic when RTX on and DLSS off and dept of view effects off then the FPS is solid 60. And we do play also to relax some War Thunder from time to time so that's not even pushing the system is a fun game.

I assume it is not that bad balanced the system he has quite massive colling EK360 Predator and lots fans and the case is open. he has 650RM PSU corsair and GSkill trident Z RGB 16Gb kit ddr4 3600Mhz, which is a quite a fast and powerful system.

 

[Vayra86]

Thanks, Vayra86,

I'm glad I have the very solid answer and I just advised my friend on his system, so realistically his i5 6600k @4.4Ghz is great for the 1080p locked @60hz with RTX 2070Z, as we did some test yesterday and he was running bfv quite amazing solid 60fps locked and no dips all ultra and RTX on, but of course, some dips present when dlss is on along with RTX and some options such as dept of view, the thing that makes effects when you zoom the scope all around is blurred and focused only on the center of the scope so this two options on and RTX and DLSS some deeps are seen but not drastic when RTX on and DLSS off and dept of view effects off then the FPS is solid 60. And we do play also to relax some War Thunder from time to time so that's not even pushing the system is a fun game.

I assume it is not that bad balanced the system he has quite massive colling EK360 Predator and lots fans and the case is open. he has 650RM PSU corsair and GSkill trident Z RGB 16Gb kit ddr4 3600Mhz, which is a quite a fast and powerful system.

He should take over your platform when you move to the 10th gen Intel ! Win win

 

[oxrufiioxo]

My 5820k @4.5ghz was holding back a Titan Xp in some multiplayer games at 1440p so my guess is your CPU is as well.... Kinda depends on what the goal is right now with a 75hz monitor I would prioritize upgrading that.

 

[StanMen]

My 5820k @4.5ghz was holding back a Titan Xp in some multiplayer games at 1440p so my guess is your CPU is as well.... Kinda depends on what the goal is right now with a 75hz monitor I would prioritize upgrading that.

Hey,


Well, atm in any cases or games mp or single-player I see no hold up on GPU or fps drops is no move 75hz lock g-sync and 75fps from time to time it not drops but yes fps jumps up in some cases like 88Fps but then gets back down to 75fps is like GPU and system fighting up to get fps up xD but most of my time on this system I do editing the Sounds of jets from recording equipment all that editing and creating sounds for SIM, as 3d party developer and those Sounds go to DCS World were I spend lot time flying and is very demanding SIM and I see no issues even there I saw huge performance jump.