is this a good price'd cpu?

[newmodder]

just want to know if this a is good price for a AM2 5000 or does anyone know of a better price.

 

[Deleted member 3]

Of course, sounds terrific. I'd rather pay with biscuits though.


So, am I missing something or did you forget to give us a linky/price?

 

[AshenSugar]

yeah whats the price, and why would u buy a 5000+ when u can get a 3600+ for sub 150bucks and clock it higher?

 

[newmodder]

hahha..sorry here it is..http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=010233&cid=CPU.907

 

[AshenSugar]

i have yet to meet the x2 3800+ that wont hit 2.6gz on basick air, specly the newer cores and am2 cores, the 3600+ is the same deal, 2gz stock just gotta add 60mhz to the htt/fsb and bam u got 2.6gz(5000+) for like 1/3 or 1/4 the price(or less depends on the shop u get the stuff at)

 

[gR3iF]

a 3600+ will do as long it is a windsor core you can clock it probably to 5000+ clocks

 

[trog100]

thats all assuming he dont want to clock his 5000..

trog

 

[AshenSugar]

why water cool if ur not gonna overclock? (not his siggy)

if ur gonna water cool its not just for silance, you can get that with a decent air cooler for a WHOLE LOT LESS.(zalman for one make excelent silent air coolers)

think its more likely that hes just seeing that its the highest numberd chip and even possably thinking that since its rated at 5000+ that it will be more likely to hit 2.8-3gz range, whitch isnt true, those chips are for the most part not very good clockers because they are running on the ragged edge of what can be done at default voltages(3600+ seem to beable to get to 2.8 at stock or +.15v at worst)

 

[trog100]

u do get a higher multipler which makes getting up to 3 gig easier and i think but dont know for sure there is a certain speed binning going on..

i have a 4000 single core sandy chip 2.4 default.. it goes right up to 3.2 gig on its default 1.35 core before it bombs during a 2005 run.. its now running 3 gig at 1.375 core all day every day on zalman air.. it will run 3.2 at 1.425 all day but i dont bother 3 gig does me..

okay different chip but no way would a bottom end venice single core go up there like that at those voltages.. i think it does help buying the higher clocked default chip.. assuming u are after 3 gig..

if not buy the cheapo and clock it up to wherever it goes.. he he

but whatever i bought i would clock it.. i dont see much point in doing otherwise.. why waste money or performance..

trog

 

[AshenSugar]

trog, the 3600+ is a new chip, smaller l2 cache, most people who have decent boards and some exp clocking have gotten them into the 3gz range, a few had worse luck, but thats alwase subjective due to board/ram/user experiance clocking, My buddy tim got his 3600+ OEM chip(130bucks and they guy threw in a 4 pipe amd opti cooler) it clocked to 3.3gz on 1.4xx volts, probbly would go higher but his board cant go much over 330 fsb(its an msi am2 board, not the best choice he could have made.....)

binning happens at all levels, the 1700+ axp(tbred-b cores) was a classic example, they where cores that could do 2-2.5(higher even) on air and not break a swet, but the demand for lower rated cores was so high that amd just sold them at 1700+, i have yet to meet the tbred-b 1700+ i couldnt get well past 2gz on basick air cooling.

the newer am2 chips are in highe demand, the 3800/4200/4600 chips are in extreamly high demand, so high that amd is having to mark cores down to keepup with demand, check around lately people been getting INSAIN overclocks with the cheapest x2 chips.

the 3600+ is 256k+256k l2 chip , amd has dumped all 1mb a64 cores so as i understand it from my buddys aunt(works for amd offices) we will see 256k+256k taking the place of 512+512, and 512+512 taking the place of 1mb+1mb, this is good for us because it has at most a 5% hit on perf at default clocks, but smaller l2=higher overclocks=more performance

i dought ur gonna find an x2 3600+ or even 3800+ that wont do 2.6gz on air, stock air even.

my cheapo 3500+ am2 chip clocked up to 2.7 no problem, with ram at t1, i can take the core higher but the mem cont wants 2t with 5-5-5-15 timings with lowest devider to be stable at 2.9, the perf loss due to latancy is higher then the gain due to higher cpu clock, sall good tho, have yet to find a game that needs more cpu then i got currently.

im gonna wait pacently and see about buying an x2 3600+ when they price drop(retail only for me, i like a warr ) hell i may even just wait till middle of next year and buy a quadcore

EDIT:
Note that the 3600+ is a 10x multi chip, as is the 3800+ only diffrance is the l2 cache per core and i have yet to meet the overclocking mobo that cant do 300+ fsb/hht/whatever u wana call it

 

[cdawall]

if your going to pay that much money just get an opty they clock higher than the x2 series anyway

 

[wazzledoozle]

Waste of money, an Allendale E6300 is cheaper and pwns any A64.

 

[AshenSugar]

wazzle, alot of us dont want to go intel because we know its a dead end, you buy a 775 board for conroe/core2 and you are stuck with what intel has out for core2 NOW, when they put out new core2 chips or core3 you will need a new board even if the sockets still 775.
intel has done this for years, they LOVE to force you to buy a new board to support a new chip(btw all conroe/core2 chips worked in current/older 775 boards till they went into retail production, then intel made small changes to force you to get a new board)

i mean for them its smart because they know that intel users will buy a new board and keep doing that as needed because enlarge intel users dont know much about amd and have mostly heard they suck(from other intel fanboys)

amd on the other hand offers an upgrade path for products for years after they come out, socketA had a 5 year run of new chips avalable for even older 100mhz fsb boards(mobile chips with high multis), 754 got a bunch of chips, even after people where sure it was dead, clawhammer,newcastle,venice e3/e6(also called palarmo for sempy64 chips) newark(mobile chips capable of 2.9-3gz)
939 is shorder lived but got alot of cores as well, clawhammer,newcastle,winchester,venice,sandago(sp),and more(x2's and such)

now with AM2 its a diffrent story then with 754 and 939, am2 will be unified, supporting sempy64(low end) and x2/k8l as high end(k8l=quad core) and will take am3 chips as well, so we are set for YEARS of upgradeablility on the same board, and many of us like that, we would like to beable to keep a board thats proven reliable and overclockable and that we already payed for insted of spending alot on a new board/chip/ram next time intel puts out a new core revision.

blah,

amd
socketA
754
939
940
am2

intel
370(old celly chips)
370(old celly+copermine cores)
370(tulitian core)
423(orignal p4, socket lasted about 6 months b4 intel dumbed it for 478)
478(400/533mhz)
478(533/800mhz)
479
604
771
775(orignal pre conroe)
775(conroe)

thats a huge diffrance, and IMHO kinda silly/insain diffrance at that.