• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Keyboard sizes....

What size Keyboard do you prefer


  • Total voters
    92
Joined
Oct 18, 2013
Messages
5,792 (1.48/day)
Location
In the abyss, where all I can see is...nuthin !
System Name The Little One
Processor i5-11320H @4.4GHZ
Motherboard AZW SEI
Cooling Fan w/heat pipes + side & rear vents
Memory 64GB Crucial DDR4-3200 (2x 32GB)
Video Card(s) Iris XE
Storage WD Black SN850X 4TB m.2, Seagate 2TB SSD + SN850 4TB x2 in an external enclosure
Display(s) 2x Samsung 43" & 2x 32"
Case Practically identical to a mac mini, just purrtier in slate blue, & with 3x usb ports on the front !
Audio Device(s) Yamaha ATS-1060 Bluetooth Soundbar & Subwoofer
Power Supply 65w brick
Mouse Logitech MX Master 2
Keyboard Logitech G613 mechanical wireless
Software Windows 10 pro 64 bit, with all the unnecessary background shitzu turned OFF !
Benchmark Scores PDQ
Please make 1 choice:

FYI: By 100%, I mean one with all 104 keys & number keys ect...

Which size/layout do you prefer for normal, everyday use (not counting special apps/activities like CAD/Audio/Video/gammin etc)

Not looking for specific brands or styles or recommendations, just general preferences :D

I started this poll because I wanted to gauge the accuracy of a statement made in another thread: "most users don't want/need anything bigger than a TKL"

TIA for all responses :)
 
Last edited:
Joined
Mar 15, 2023
Messages
980 (2.01/day)
System Name Stugots V
Processor Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk
Cooling Thermalright PA-120 Black
Memory 2 x 16GB G.Skill 3600Mhz CL16
Video Card(s) ASUS Dual RTX 4070
Storage 500GB WD SN750 | 2TB WD SN750 | 6TB WD Red +
Display(s) Dell S2716DG (1440p / 144Hz)
Case Fractal Meshify 2 Compact
Audio Device(s) JDS Labs Element | Audioengine HD3 + A8 | Beyerdynamic DT-990 Pro (250)
Power Supply Seasonic Focus Plus 850W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Leopold FC750RBT
Software Win 10 Pro x64
It's really hard for me to give one option.

At work I cannot live without a numpad, but at home I prefer TKL since I don't need it as much.
BUT...since I do have a stand alone num pad just in case...I voted TKL.
 

Solaris17

Super Dainty Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Aug 16, 2005
Messages
26,211 (3.79/day)
Location
Alabama
System Name Rocinante
Processor I9 14900KS
Motherboard MSI MPG Z790I Edge WiFi Gaming
Cooling be quiet! Pure Loop 240mm
Memory 64GB Gskill Trident Z5 DDR5 6000
Video Card(s) MSI SUPRIM Liquid X 4090
Storage 1x 500GB 980 Pro | 1x 1TB 980 Pro | 1x 8TB Corsair MP400
Display(s) Odyssey OLED G9 (G95SC)
Case LANCOOL 205M MESH Snow
Audio Device(s) Moondrop S8's on schitt Modi+ & Valhalla 2
Power Supply ASUS ROG Loki SFX-L 1000W
Mouse Lamzu Atlantis mini (White)
Keyboard Monsgeek M3 Lavender, Akko Crystal Blues
VR HMD Quest 3
Software openSUSE Tumbleweed
Benchmark Scores I dont have time for that.
I came from a 100% but do to space I switched to an 85%. I would never use anything less than an 85% and I do miss my numpad. So I voted other.
 
Joined
Jul 20, 2020
Messages
926 (0.64/day)
System Name Gamey #1 / #2
Processor Ryzen 7 5800X3D / Core i7-9700F
Motherboard Asrock B450M P4 / Asrock B360M P4
Cooling IDCool SE-226-XT / CM Hyper 212
Memory 32GB 3200 CL16 / 32GB 2666 CL14
Video Card(s) PC 6800 XT / Soyo RTX 2060 Super
Storage 4TB Team MP34 / 512G Tosh RD400+2TB WD3Dblu
Display(s) LG 32GK650F 1440p 144Hz VA
Case Corsair 4000Air / CM N200
Audio Device(s) Dragonfly Black
Power Supply EVGA 650 G3 / Corsair CX550M
Mouse JSCO JNL-101k Noiseless
Keyboard Steelseries Apex 3 TKL
Software Win 10, Throttlestop
Started with TKL then at 75% for a while, swapped back to 100% and quickly to another TKL, I never use the numpad and desk space is at a premium.

My preference is 75% but it's hard to find the keyswitches I want for a reasonable price and TKL isn't too much bigger.
 
Joined
Jul 25, 2006
Messages
12,518 (1.91/day)
Location
Nebraska, USA
System Name Brightworks Systems BWS-6 E-IV
Processor Intel Core i5-6600 @ 3.9GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 Rev 1.0
Cooling Quality case, 2 x Fractal Design 140mm fans, stock CPU HSF
Memory 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance
Video Card(s) EVGA GEForce GTX 1050Ti 4Gb GDDR5
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD, Samsung 860 Evo 500GB SSD
Display(s) Samsung S24E650BW LED x 2
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 550W G2 Gold
Mouse Logitech M190
Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
Software W10 Pro 64-bit
One that fits my keyboard tray while allowing my mouse to move freely next to it.

So QWERTY and no more than 18 inches wide.
 
Joined
Dec 31, 2020
Messages
826 (0.64/day)
Processor E5-2690 v4
Motherboard VEINEDA X99
Video Card(s) 2080 Ti
Storage NE-512 KingSpec
Display(s) G27Q
Case DAOTECH X9
Power Supply SF450
Joined
Jun 27, 2019
Messages
1,950 (1.06/day)
Location
Hungary
System Name I don't name my systems.
Processor i5-12600KF 'stock power limits/-115mV undervolt+contact frame'
Motherboard Asus Prime B660-PLUS D4
Cooling ID-Cooling SE 224 XT ARGB V3 'CPU', 4x Be Quiet! Light Wings + 2x Arctic P12 black case fans.
Memory 4x8GB G.SKILL Ripjaws V DDR4 3200MHz
Video Card(s) Asus TuF V2 RTX 3060 Ti @1920 MHz Core/@950mV Undervolt
Storage 4 TB WD Red, 1 TB Silicon Power A55 Sata, 1 TB Kingston A2000 NVMe, 256 GB Adata Spectrix s40g NVMe
Display(s) 29" 2560x1080 75 Hz / LG 29WK600-W
Case Be Quiet! Pure Base 500 FX Black
Audio Device(s) Onboard + Hama uRage SoundZ 900+USB DAC
Power Supply Seasonic CORE GM 500W 80+ Gold
Mouse Canyon Puncher GM-20
Keyboard SPC Gear GK630K Tournament 'Kailh Brown'
Software Windows 10 Pro
I've used 100% till my current TKL 75% and this feels just about right for me.
Honestly I'm not sure if I'm ever going back to full sized KBs unless I had a real need for a numpad for whatever reason.
 
Joined
Feb 24, 2023
Messages
2,355 (4.65/day)
Location
Russian Wild West
System Name DLSS / YOLO-PC
Processor i5-12400F / 10600KF
Motherboard Gigabyte B760M DS3H / Z490 Vision D
Cooling Laminar RM1 / Gammaxx 400
Memory 32 GB DDR4-3200 / 16 GB DDR4-3333
Video Card(s) RX 6700 XT / RX 480 8 GB
Storage A couple SSDs, m.2 NVMe included / 240 GB CX1 + 1 TB WD HDD
Display(s) Compit HA2704 / Viewsonic VX3276-MHD-2
Case Matrexx 55 / Junkyard special
Audio Device(s) Want loud, use headphones. Want quiet, use satellites.
Power Supply Thermaltake 1000 W / FSP Epsilon 700 W / Corsair CX650M [backup]
Mouse Don't disturb, cheese eating in progress...
Keyboard Makes some noise. Probably onto something.
VR HMD I live in real reality and don't need a virtual one.
Software Windows 10 and 11
Anything less than 100% is not an option for me.

1693332474999.png
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
11,878 (2.27/day)
Location
Manchester uk
System Name RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II
Processor Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H
Motherboard Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus
Cooling 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK
Memory Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB
Video Card(s) Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060
Storage Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme
Display(s) Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter
Case Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2
Audio Device(s) Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset
Power Supply corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock
Mouse Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless
Keyboard Roccat Aimo 120
VR HMD Oculus rift
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506
Gmmk V2 96%

I couldn't live without a number pad but do want to save space and other than log ins could have lived with a 65%.

This is a keeper to me possibly lifer since I can change caps and keys.

For most, all the letters and character keys really are enough, I only use numpad for logins so do want it but essential it is not.

I don't miss spreading my hands that far apart now I don't too.
 
Joined
Jul 25, 2006
Messages
12,518 (1.91/day)
Location
Nebraska, USA
System Name Brightworks Systems BWS-6 E-IV
Processor Intel Core i5-6600 @ 3.9GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 Rev 1.0
Cooling Quality case, 2 x Fractal Design 140mm fans, stock CPU HSF
Memory 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance
Video Card(s) EVGA GEForce GTX 1050Ti 4Gb GDDR5
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD, Samsung 860 Evo 500GB SSD
Display(s) Samsung S24E650BW LED x 2
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 550W G2 Gold
Mouse Logitech M190
Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
Software W10 Pro 64-bit
Actually, 100% is misleading in terms of "size". 100% just means it has all 104 keys, number pad, arrow keys, F-keys and Home/End/Up/Down keys.

It could be 24 inches wide or 16 and still be considered "full" or 100%.
 
Joined
Sep 17, 2014
Messages
21,534 (6.00/day)
Location
The Washing Machine
Processor i7 8700k 4.6Ghz @ 1.24V
Motherboard AsRock Fatal1ty K6 Z370
Cooling beQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 3
Memory 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200/C16
Video Card(s) ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 830 256GB + Crucial BX100 250GB + Toshiba 1TB HDD
Display(s) Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440)
Case Fractal Design Define R5
Audio Device(s) Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1
Power Supply EVGA Supernova G2 750W
Mouse XTRFY M42
Keyboard Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II
Software W10 x64
TKL, so much better for mouse/kb work. Separate numpad, should I ever need one, would be my preference.
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2010
Messages
11,878 (2.27/day)
Location
Manchester uk
System Name RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II
Processor Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H
Motherboard Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus
Cooling 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK
Memory Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB
Video Card(s) Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060
Storage Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme
Display(s) Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter
Case Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2
Audio Device(s) Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset
Power Supply corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock
Mouse Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless
Keyboard Roccat Aimo 120
VR HMD Oculus rift
Software Win 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506
Actually, 100% is misleading in terms of "size". 100% just means it has all 104 keys, number pad, arrow keys, F-keys and Home/End/Up/Down keys.

It could be 24 inches wide or 16 and still be considered "full" or 100%.
In all cases I think it refers to key representation ratio value, not size.

Good point, size isn't the point though it is sort of.
 

tabascosauz

Moderator
Supporter
Staff member
Joined
Jun 24, 2015
Messages
7,875 (2.38/day)
Location
Western Canada
System Name ab┃ob
Processor 7800X3D┃5800X3D
Motherboard B650E PG-ITX┃X570 Impact
Cooling NH-U12A + T30┃AXP120-x67
Memory 64GB 6400CL32┃32GB 3600CL14
Video Card(s) RTX 4070 Ti Eagle┃RTX A2000
Storage 8TB of SSDs┃1TB SN550
Case Caselabs S3┃Lazer3D HT5
Curious to leave out 60% entirely.

65% is not TKL.

Regardless, TKL and 60% for me. Separate numpad fills in any additional need.
 
Joined
Jul 8, 2022
Messages
241 (0.33/day)
Location
USA
Processor i9-11900K
Motherboard Asus ROG Maximus XIII Hero
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360
Memory 4x8GB DDR4
Video Card(s) Alienware RTX 3090 OEM
Storage OEM Kioxia 2tb NVMe (OS), 4TB WD Blue HDD (games)
Display(s) LG 27GN950-B
Case Lian Li Lancool II Mesh Performance (black)
Audio Device(s) Logitech Pro X Wireless
Power Supply Corsair RM1000x
Keyboard HyperX Alloy Elite 2
100% because I make extensive use of the numpad + multimedia keys and other doodads.
 
Joined
Oct 18, 2013
Messages
5,792 (1.48/day)
Location
In the abyss, where all I can see is...nuthin !
System Name The Little One
Processor i5-11320H @4.4GHZ
Motherboard AZW SEI
Cooling Fan w/heat pipes + side & rear vents
Memory 64GB Crucial DDR4-3200 (2x 32GB)
Video Card(s) Iris XE
Storage WD Black SN850X 4TB m.2, Seagate 2TB SSD + SN850 4TB x2 in an external enclosure
Display(s) 2x Samsung 43" & 2x 32"
Case Practically identical to a mac mini, just purrtier in slate blue, & with 3x usb ports on the front !
Audio Device(s) Yamaha ATS-1060 Bluetooth Soundbar & Subwoofer
Power Supply 65w brick
Mouse Logitech MX Master 2
Keyboard Logitech G613 mechanical wireless
Software Windows 10 pro 64 bit, with all the unnecessary background shitzu turned OFF !
Benchmark Scores PDQ
FYI all, based on the replies/votes so far, I have added the other sizes to the poll choices, some of which I did not realize were a 'thing" :D

Anything less than 100% is not an option for me.

View attachment 311156

100% because I make extensive use of the numpad + multimedia keys and other doodads.
This is me for sure, regardless of whether I am woking or at da cribb...

"they can have my Full-sized 100%'er when they can pry it from my cold, dead hands" :D
 
Joined
Feb 20, 2019
Messages
7,643 (3.88/day)
System Name Bragging Rights
Processor Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz
Motherboard It has no markings but it's green
Cooling No, it's a 2.2W processor
Memory 2GB DDR3L-1333
Video Card(s) Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz)
Storage 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3
Display(s) 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz
Case Veddha T2
Audio Device(s) Apparently, yes
Power Supply Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger
Mouse MX Anywhere 2
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all)
VR HMD Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though....
Software W10 21H1, barely
Benchmark Scores I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000.
I'm upset you've lumped TKL (80%) and 75-65% all into the same category.

True TKL is a completely standard keyboard layout in every way. It's just missing the tenkey numpad which is no big loss as every single key on the numpad is a redundant duplicate that you can do without unless you are a spreadsheet jockey.
  • Full-size or TKL fit into one category of "standard layout".
  • 75% and below barely fit into the second category of "reduced, proprietary layout".
Below TKL you are entering a dark underworld that completely lacks layout standards, key spacing, key position, and even key size. I'm using a 75% Keychron K3 to type this right now and the layout isn't standard; I'm missing a few keys entirely, and others I can enter using (hidden, unmarked) Fn key combinations which is why I have a bookmark saved with the cheat sheet for those key combos. Muscle memory does not work on the right 20% of this particular 75% layout, and it's different to several other, also-unique 75% layouts.

It's not a complaint, it's a compromise that I chose for this specific device, but that's because this isn't a desktop, it's a Bluetooth keyboard for an HTPC. I need basic web-browsing and casual gaming at most. I cannot work on this keyboard layout. 30+ years of standard-layout muscle memory are too valuable to ruin, and I don't (want to) spend enough of my time using it to change that.

For people who only ever use one keyboard, or do not touch-type, the layout doesn't matter - they'll adjust to it the way we all adjust to things. I cannot do that because the majority of the time I'm using keyboards that aren't mine, and the overwhelming majority of those are the standard layout defined by the first of the two categories.
 
Joined
Oct 18, 2013
Messages
5,792 (1.48/day)
Location
In the abyss, where all I can see is...nuthin !
System Name The Little One
Processor i5-11320H @4.4GHZ
Motherboard AZW SEI
Cooling Fan w/heat pipes + side & rear vents
Memory 64GB Crucial DDR4-3200 (2x 32GB)
Video Card(s) Iris XE
Storage WD Black SN850X 4TB m.2, Seagate 2TB SSD + SN850 4TB x2 in an external enclosure
Display(s) 2x Samsung 43" & 2x 32"
Case Practically identical to a mac mini, just purrtier in slate blue, & with 3x usb ports on the front !
Audio Device(s) Yamaha ATS-1060 Bluetooth Soundbar & Subwoofer
Power Supply 65w brick
Mouse Logitech MX Master 2
Keyboard Logitech G613 mechanical wireless
Software Windows 10 pro 64 bit, with all the unnecessary background shitzu turned OFF !
Benchmark Scores PDQ
I'm upset you've lumped TKL (80%) and 75-65% all into the same category.

True TKL is a completely standard keyboard layout in every way. It's just missing the tenkey numpad which is no big loss as every single key on the numpad is a redundant duplicate that you can do without unless you are a spreadsheet jockey.
  • Full-size or TKL fit into one category of "standard layout".
  • 75% and below barely fit into the second category of "reduced, proprietary layout".
Below TKL you are entering a dark underworld that completely lacks layout standards, key spacing, key position, and even key size. I'm using a 75% Keychron K3 to type this right now and the layout isn't standard; I'm missing a few keys entirely, and others I can enter using (hidden, unmarked) Fn key combinations which is why I have a bookmark saved with the cheat sheet for those key combos. Muscle memory does not work on the right 20% of this particular 75% layout, and it's different to several other, also-unique 75% layouts.

It's not a complaint, it's a compromise that I chose for this specific device, but that's because this isn't a desktop, it's a Bluetooth keyboard for an HTPC. I need basic web-browsing and casual gaming at most. I cannot work on this keyboard layout. 30+ years of standard-layout muscle memory are too valuable to ruin, and I don't (want to) spend enough of my time using it to change that.

For people who only ever use one keyboard, or do not touch-type, the layout doesn't matter - they'll adjust to it the way we all adjust to things. I cannot do that because the majority of the time I'm using keyboards that aren't mine, and the overwhelming majority of those are the standard layout defined by the first of the two categories.
Well unfortunately, it won't let me change the poll options now, only add more, so my bad there :)

Anyways, I have never been able to use the top row of number keys for anything beyond the special characters....

But I AM a "spreadsheet jockey", as well as dealing with complex numbering systems for engineering drawings and records management metadata, with decades of muscle memory that just won't go away or adapt to less than 104 keys, plus my hands/fingers are a tad large, so that plays a part in both my work & home uses, but oh well :D
 

sneekypeet

Retired Super Moderator
Joined
Apr 12, 2006
Messages
29,423 (4.41/day)
System Name EVA-01
Processor Intel i7 13700K
Motherboard Asus ROG Maximus Z690 HERO EVA Edition
Cooling ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 with Noctua Industrial Fans
Memory PAtriot Viper Elite RGB 96GB @ 6000MHz.
Video Card(s) Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 3090 24GB OC EVA Edition
Storage Addlink S95 M.2 PCIe GEN 4x4 2TB
Display(s) Asus ROG SWIFT OLED PG42UQ
Case Thermaltake Core P3 TG
Audio Device(s) Realtek on board > Sony Receiver > Cerwin Vegas
Power Supply be quiet DARK POWER PRO 12 1500W
Mouse ROG STRIX Impact Electro Punk
Keyboard ROG STRIX Scope TKL Electro Punk
Software Windows 11
Well unfortunately, it won't let me change the poll options now, only add more, so my bad there :)

Anyways, I have never been able to use the top row of number keys for anything beyond the special characters....

But I AM a "spreadsheet jockey", as well as dealing with complex numbering systems for engineering drawings and records management metadata, with decades of muscle memory that just won't go away or adapt to less than 104 keys, plus my hands/fingers are a tad large, so that plays a part in both my work & home uses, but oh well :D

PM a moderator, they can help with changes.

As to the thread, I typically type witht he keyboard in my lap, laid back in my chair. Due to this,and my lack of using the number pad, I tend to go with TKLs.
I have tried quite a few smaller models, but once you start double and triple layering commands per key, its confusing and makes custom keycaps a pain due to the lack of multi-layer function options.
 
Joined
Feb 20, 2019
Messages
7,643 (3.88/day)
System Name Bragging Rights
Processor Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz
Motherboard It has no markings but it's green
Cooling No, it's a 2.2W processor
Memory 2GB DDR3L-1333
Video Card(s) Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz)
Storage 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3
Display(s) 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz
Case Veddha T2
Audio Device(s) Apparently, yes
Power Supply Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger
Mouse MX Anywhere 2
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all)
VR HMD Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though....
Software W10 21H1, barely
Benchmark Scores I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000.
Well unfortunately, it won't let me change the poll options now, only add more, so my bad there :)

Anyways, I have never been able to use the top row of number keys for anything beyond the special characters....

But I AM a "spreadsheet jockey", as well as dealing with complex numbering systems for engineering drawings and records management metadata, with decades of muscle memory that just won't go away or adapt to less than 104 keys, plus my hands/fingers are a tad large, so that plays a part in both my work & home uses, but oh well :D
Don't get me wrong, for work I will accept nothing less than a 100% layout. Hell, in the London office I have an old Microsoft Natural that's just about ready for its 5th or 6th trip through the dishwasher. That's like a 110% layout that takes up 150% of the desk space! :)

For gaming, I don't care about the layout or size as long as the left half of the keyboard is a standard layout - and that includes F1 to F8 as those are common default keybinds for games.

The thing is, I want a standard layout for anything more than putting in a website address and bashing out a quick message.

TKL is only a 30-40mm wider than the most compact 60% layouts available, so I'm not really sure what the USP is for the audience of sub-TKL layouts, other than being different for the sake of being different among a small niche crowd of keyboard enthusiasts. Maybe I'm getting old, but are they trying to make a statement by having a minimalist tiny keyboard - to hell with the consequences? I personally cannot stand having to push a combination of keys to register a single keypress, and it's even stupider when one of those alternate function keys is part of a common mutli-key function. CTRL+ALT+INSERT is hard if ALT+Fn does something other than ALT, but INSERT requires you to hold down the Fn key. When you have to call up the on-screen keyboard to type something because your typing device can't do it, you know it's dumb AF and the keyboard industry has (hopefully) reached peak stupid at that point.
 
Joined
Oct 18, 2013
Messages
5,792 (1.48/day)
Location
In the abyss, where all I can see is...nuthin !
System Name The Little One
Processor i5-11320H @4.4GHZ
Motherboard AZW SEI
Cooling Fan w/heat pipes + side & rear vents
Memory 64GB Crucial DDR4-3200 (2x 32GB)
Video Card(s) Iris XE
Storage WD Black SN850X 4TB m.2, Seagate 2TB SSD + SN850 4TB x2 in an external enclosure
Display(s) 2x Samsung 43" & 2x 32"
Case Practically identical to a mac mini, just purrtier in slate blue, & with 3x usb ports on the front !
Audio Device(s) Yamaha ATS-1060 Bluetooth Soundbar & Subwoofer
Power Supply 65w brick
Mouse Logitech MX Master 2
Keyboard Logitech G613 mechanical wireless
Software Windows 10 pro 64 bit, with all the unnecessary background shitzu turned OFF !
Benchmark Scores PDQ
Joined
Feb 20, 2019
Messages
7,643 (3.88/day)
System Name Bragging Rights
Processor Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz
Motherboard It has no markings but it's green
Cooling No, it's a 2.2W processor
Memory 2GB DDR3L-1333
Video Card(s) Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz)
Storage 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3
Display(s) 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz
Case Veddha T2
Audio Device(s) Apparently, yes
Power Supply Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger
Mouse MX Anywhere 2
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all)
VR HMD Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though....
Software W10 21H1, barely
Benchmark Scores I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000.
Check chyrosran22
I've just subscribed to his channel for entertainment purposes.
He is pure cynical gold with a soothingly-smooth potty mouth to rival my own cockney vocabulary.
 
Joined
Jul 25, 2006
Messages
12,518 (1.91/day)
Location
Nebraska, USA
System Name Brightworks Systems BWS-6 E-IV
Processor Intel Core i5-6600 @ 3.9GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 Rev 1.0
Cooling Quality case, 2 x Fractal Design 140mm fans, stock CPU HSF
Memory 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance
Video Card(s) EVGA GEForce GTX 1050Ti 4Gb GDDR5
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD, Samsung 860 Evo 500GB SSD
Display(s) Samsung S24E650BW LED x 2
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 550W G2 Gold
Mouse Logitech M190
Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
Software W10 Pro 64-bit
In all cases I think it refers to key representation ratio value, not size.
You lost me at "ratio". Ratio to me, suggest a "percentage" of one dimension compared to the other dimension.

For a example, 16:9 monitors come in all sorts of sizes, such as 22, 24, 27, and 32 inch, yet they still have the same "ratio" or "percentage" for the screens' actual length compared to its width.

There is no "standard" AFAIK, for actual keycap sizes, or the spacing between the various key sections (i.e., standard 104 keys, home/cursor keys, and number keypad).

So pretty sure when they say 100%, 75% , 60% etc. they are, most of the time, talking about the number of keys. But even then, there is no standard. (https://switchandclick.com/keyboard-sizes/)

Look at this "full size" keyboard. It is 17.6 inches wide. Then look at this "compact" keyboard. It is 21.4 inches wide! :confused::kookoo::confused:

So to me, it really makes no sense. It is like calling a Toyota Corolla a "full size" car. Why? Because it has 4 doors, of course! :rolleyes:

Keyboards, IMO, should be categorized by the number of keys they have (or don't have in the case of TKL). If they are going to go by actual physical dimensions, the IEEE or ATX or someone needs to set genuine industry standards.

In the meantime, laptops have "compact" keyboards. Most PCs use full sized. But there are lots of different sizes between.
 
Top