Linus Has Some Things to Say about Core i9 and X299

[trparky]

So I watched the video and yes, it's a rant, far more rant-ish (is that even a word?) than his previous videos. He makes some excellent points in the video. I didn't know about these inherent platform limitations and I'm sure that many of you didn't know either. After watching the video it's like Intel didn't even try with this new platform, it's more like "Oh shit, AMD actually has something decent. *runs around the room* Damn. Damn. Damn! What will we do? *walks up to engineer* DO SOMETHING! That's why I pay you the big bucks!"

 

[uuuaaaaaa]

Intel I9 aka "WalletRipper"

It actually looks like Intel is kinda desperate :/ This release of the new high tdp HEDT cpu's kinda remind me of AMD's FX9590...

 

[FR@NK]

Just shows how the x299 platform will be very adaptable. The 7740k will be the best gaming chip and on the same platform you can have the best multithreaded chips if you need more cores.

And of course the 18 core chip only exists so Intel can say they have the fastest HEDT processor. In the past we would just get a es version high core xeon and stick these in x79/x99 boards if we needed more cores.

Intel I9 aka "WalletRipper"

Have you seen the prices? They are pretty cheap compared to what Intel has charged in the past. You get 18 cores for $1999....much better compared to broadwell-e's 10 core at $1700.

 

[trparky]

Intel I9 aka "WalletRipper"

Pretty much.

And like he said in the video, how the hell are the board makers going to be able to adapt to this?

The motherboard manufacturers have to support any chip that you could put in the socket on every single board. How do you build a board around 16 to 44 PCI Express lanes, dual to quad channel memory, and anywhere from 4 to 18 cores?

From a pure technical standpoint, how the hell is this going to be even possible?! Don't get me wrong, the board manufacturers have to do the same thing with Ryzen (to an extent) but at least they only have to deal with variable core numbers, not all of the other stuff mentioned in the quote above which makes the situation even more complex. This is going to be a bitch and a half to support.

 

[xkm1948]

The new I9 will be DOA. Too little too late. Intel has dug its own grave. They had plenty of time to innovate and move forward. Sadly corporate greed get the better of them. They have been ripping off HEDT market for quite a long time, I will be happy to see Intel suffer for 5 yrs. To teach them a good listen, never underestimate your opponent.

 

[Vya Domus]

Why would anyone buy into X299 for Kaby Lake X is beyond me , that's the only strange thing about it.

Again , I still think they knew well ahead of time what AMD is going to do. They just didn't care , they can afford not to.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Why would anyone buy into X299 for Kaby Lake X is beyond me , that's the only strange thing about it.

Again , I still think they knew well ahead of time what AMD is going to do. They just didn't care , they can afford not to.

I take it you mean the i5 4c/4t and i7 4c/8t chips? I thought the same...

 

[trparky]

I still think they knew well ahead of time what AMD is going to do.

But this whole new platform feels like a hack-job and a bad one at that.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

I think biggest problem falls to the memory support / dimm slot arrangement and PCIe lanes being severely limited at the low end. Pay more for less supported features than if you just went mainstream. Or buy AMD where your not shafted on supported features.

 

[Vya Domus]

But this whole new platform feels like a hack-job and a bad one at that.

Maybe it was and they just held off the whole thing till they felt like they didn't have a choice.

I take it you mean the i5 4c/4t and i7 4c/8t chips? I thought the same...

Yeah. The motherboards are obviously going to more expensive that regular Z270 boards and Kaby Lake-X is clearly not meant for HEDT use. I guess you have left the argument that you can upgrade eventually. But the reality is that you will be wasting so much money by then that going for a Skylake-X or Threadripper from the beginning would have made more sense in the long run.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

All the motherboards look gorgeous.



BTW
Long live socket 1366......

 

[Solaris17]

The motherboards are obviously going to more expensive that regular Z270 boards and Kaby Lake-X is clearly not meant for HEDT use

I didnt watch the vid because I personally think Linus is a tool, but I will admit the mobo offerings for x299 are currently fugly beyond belife, and to add to it, I honestly thought x299 was going to be built off of Cannonlake. though for HDET its possible that we will see more than just skylake/kaby lake-X on the platform, so im not too worried.

 

[trparky]

Maybe it was and they just held off the whole thing till they felt like they didn't have a choice.

It definitely has that "half-baked" feeling to it. Almost as if Intel had been working on this for some time but suddenly had an "OH SHIT!" moment (Ryzen) and released it regardless of the fact that it's nowhere near being ready.

Reminds me of another product that was rushed to the public that felt like it wasn't ready, namely Windows 10.

 

[GoldenX]

I didnt watch the vid because I personally think Linus is a tool, but I will admit the mobo offerings for x299 are currently fugly beyond belife, and to add to it, I honestly thought x299 was going to be built off of Cannonlake. though for HDET its possible that we will see more than just skylake/kaby lake-X on the platform, so im not too worried.

The HEDT platform is always one arch behind.
The prices are a LOT better than before, but capping the lower end of the platform (that is more expensive than the mainstream one) to only dual channel and 16 lines is beyond stupid, especially when knowing AMD will give you full specs on every CPU, as they always do.

 

[trparky]

only dual channel and 16 lines is beyond stupid

This is basically Intel giving us all the finger.

 

[Countryside]

This is what happens when you rush a product.

 

[Disparia]

Yeah, I was actually surprised when I found out Intel was going to make the new i5/i7 chips 2066 instead of being 1151 leaders, kind of like Devils Canyon for 1150.

 

[FR@NK]

Why would anyone buy into X299 for Kaby Lake X is beyond me

For highend gaming and benchmarking.

It will be a faster version of the 7700k which is already pretty fast. The 7740k is already showing to be a strong chip:

 

[GoldenX]

It will be fun to have posts in the near future of people buying 8 ram modules for a 7740K and then having to tell them that only 4 work, same with PCI-E ports.

 

[Tomgang]

its hard to deside what side to walk. AMD has memory issues and intel just ripping wallets yet again. There is no denial that Intels 14,16 and 18 core is a rushed a tempt to give AMD back from Threadripper and try keep some costumers, but intel is doing it wrong by keeping these stupid pricetags and the fact to re release Quad-core on the big socket that only support dual channel on a quad-channel platform gives no sence to me and even an Core i5 now also. Thats like baying a Lamborghini and them swap a tiny 4 cylinder engine in it

Looks like i am gonna stay on X58 yet again. its old but at least it has no issues and just runs day in and day out even after serious torture with oc it dosent break a sweet.
If i even upgrade its hard to ignore AMD threadripper but i am an intel man but intel really makes it hard to be on Intels side. Its getting harder and harder to justified baying intel i think at least.

All the motherboards look gorgeous.



BTW
Long live socket 1366......

No you are wrong. As it goes and has going on for years it looks like its Forever on socket 1366

 

[trparky]

AMD has memory issues

The memory issues are apparently getting fixed, slowly but surely. I just wish that they would hurry up already.

 

[Countryside]

its hard to deside what side to walk. AMD has memory issues and intel just ripping wallets yet again. There is no denial that Intels 14,16 and 18 core is a rushed a tempt to give AMD back from Threadripper and try keep some costumers, but intel is doing it wrong by keeping these stupid pricetags and the fact to re release Quad-core on the big socket that only support dual channel on a quad-channel platform gives no sence to me and even an Core i5 now also. Thats like baying a Lamborghini and them swap a tiny 4 cylinder engine in it

Looks like i am gonna stay on X58 yet again. its old but at least it has no issues and just runs day in and day out even after serious torture with oc it dosent break a sweet.
If i even upgrade its hard to ignore AMD threadripper but i am an intel man but intel really makes it hard to be on Intels side. Its getting harder and harder to justified baying intel i think at least.

No you are wrong. As it goes and has going on for years it looks like its Forever on socket 1366

I almost agree with you but the rapid release of bios updates has made things much easier and the memory issues shall remain in the past.

 

[Devon68]

This is basically Intel giving us all the finger.

Yeah they are known to do that.

 

[Tomgang]

The memory issues are apparently getting fixed, slowly but surely. I just wish that they would hurry up already.

Memory issues shall deffently be fixed completely before i will even thinking of letting go of X58.

I almost agree with you but the rapid release of bios updates has made things much easier and the memory issues shall remain in the past.

I hope its getting fixed soon or intel getting there ass up and release something great to a good price in sted of this wallet ripping. Until one of these two things happen i am staying on X58.

 

[trparky]

staying on X58

How the hell is that thing even still working? I mean seriously, I would have thought that by now a cap or two would have burst on the board leaving it dead.