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Looking for guidance, More VRAM or more performance

Surprised to see so many people recommending the 4080. I get its not a half bad card but the price its just insane, and its not even close to the 4090 in performance. Its an insult, and buying it only convinces nvidia 80 class cards at $1200 USD is acceptable.

Perhaps I'm still bitter about my 3070s exceedingly short life span. The 4080 definitely wont be that bad and 16gb is more than enough for this generation. But if you're going to spend $1200 on a gpu, I would personally say, get a 4090, get the full memory bus (4080 has the same bus as a 3060 ti) get the full bandwidth ( the 4080 has less bandwidth than a 3080) get the full cuda cores ( 4080 has less cores than a 3080 ti - though thats not completely fair since each core has more transistors, but still!).

The real improvement is in cache, which yes helps, but helps less and less the higher the resolution goes, and that includes ssaa and msaa. I think it was something like the 7900xtx is 3% faster than the 4080 at 1080p, 5% faster at 1440p and 7% faster at 4k. Those numbers might be not exactly right but you get the trend. And the 4080 is only where it starts. It gets even worse with 70 series, and completely goes off the rails with the 60 series.

7900xtx is a faster card for cheaper with 24gb of vram. The 7900xt is good too you can get it for something like $750 new with 20gb of vram. If you want dlss, or ray tracing, why not go with the 3090? They are cheap used on ebay if you can power them, we are talking $750 or less also with 24gb vram ( though the people saying not more than 16gb is needed now, are correct).

If you want the 40 series but don't want the 4090 I think the most balanced card is the 4070. Its decently priced now ($550 I think it was), it only has 12GB of vram but thats enough for now, and its not completely lopsided like the 4070 ti (12GB for performance like that, makes no sense) plus its also priced way too high and has significantly less bandwidth than the 2080 ti and the 3070 ti, and only marginally more than the 3060 ti. Thats going to hurt at high resolutions. Guess we'll just have to rely more on dlss so nvidia can move from selling hardware to selling software.

I'm a lifelong nvidia user. And even I am recommending amd for people who don't want the 4090. I would even pick the 6800xt, 6950xt or 7800xt over the 4070, whatever you can find for cheaper.

If you want 4k60 without upscaling, 4090 or 7900xtx are the way to go. If you don't mind some upscaling, there's a few other options, the ones I mentioned previously.

Anyway, sorry if I got a bit hyperbolic, not exactly sober and the 40 series right ticks me off.
Amen to all of this. The 4080 is only a good offer if it has a substantial discount, which did already happen in certain places at certain times. Didn't we see something around the order of $1k,- at some point? Still though, that's a lot of money for such hardware. I think at 850 the 4080 is a no brainer. Above that? Not sure what to think of it. A poor man's 4090? It just doesn't make sense whichever way you want to explain it :D
 
Amen to all of this. The 4080 is only a good offer if it has a substantial discount, which did already happen in certain places at certain times. Didn't we see something around the order of $1k,- at some point? Still though, that's a lot of money for such hardware. I think at 850 the 4080 is a no brainer. Above that? Not sure what to think of it. A poor man's 4090? It just doesn't make sense whichever way you want to explain it :D
Tbh buying a video card today is an exercise in picking your poison. There are downsides to any choice you make :(
 
I'm living in hope that there will be 4070 super with at least 16gb ram and 256bus
I have my doubts nvidia will release something that is powerful, affordable, and with enough vram. You can two of the three, but not all three, that could be used as an affordable workstation card, can't have that.

Has anyone else noticed this? The only cards from nvidia with lots of vram are at the bottom of the stack or at the top. 3060: 12GB 3060 ti: 8gb 3070: 8gb 3070 ti: 8gb 3080: 10GB 3080 ti 12GB. Same with the 40 series and the 16gb 4060 ti. Out of all the cards that needed 16GB, why that one? Cynical me says its because of the borked memory interface that makes it unappealing for workstation use.

I mean I hope I'm wrong, I really do. A 16gb 256 bit 4070 is just want we need.
 
A 16gb 256 bit 4070 is just want we need.
This would have been a GTX 970 moment even if they had it priced at around 550 ~600...
I would have instabought it. Nvidia just crossed the line for me in that sense. I was always ready to pay a small premium for the Nvidia sauce, but the moment they started neutering hardware at the upper midrange and beyond... the end. I refuse to pay premium to get suckered into a featureset I can barely get out of. If Nvidia wants me there, they need to give me a hefty discount. Ada is the world upside down. Last I checked, consumers never asked for RT and all the other jazz like DLSS to be added to GPUs at a hefty premium, while devs use it as a crutch to get playable frames and kill performance at the same time on said cards. Its so twisted I can't even. Its paid beta testing. F*ck off - I'm of the generation that valued its time, if I beta test something for you, reward me.

Goes to show lots of people take the 'join our fine community to develop with us' commercial line hook and sinker. They have no rights, no privileges, but they get to be 'first' :) Internet realities, eh...
 
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I get its not a half bad card but the price its just insane
It's not insane if you can afford it.

Surprised to see so many people recommending the 4080.
Given the benchmarks, I'm surprised by the nay-sayers. It's like people either can't read or just want to ignore the obvious staring them in the face, for example...

and its not even close to the 4090 in performance.
..this.

Let's take a look at prices for consideration.
4090
$1800

4080
$1200

4070ti
$850

4070
$600

Now let's look at the benchmark results..
4090
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4080
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4070
Founders 4070 average-fps-1920-1080.pngFounders 4070 average-fps-3840-2160.png

Given those results and the prices on offer, the 4080 is the CLEAR choice if you want good value for raytracing in that price range.

Now let's take a quick look at the 7900XTX;
$950
7900XTX average-fps_1920_1080.png7900XTX average-fps_3840-2160.png

For NON-raytracing gaming the Radeon 7900XTX is the clear choice in that price range.
 
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Tbh buying a video card today is an exercise in picking your poison. There are downsides to any choice you make :(

Exactly my thoughts.

I have a 3070 now, and the only card that should give me an upgrade sufficient to skip a generation is the 4090. But in my country (Brazil), it costs the same as an used car. Or a brand new motorcycle.

So, every time I start thinking about buying a 4090 I can only feel the stupidity of spending the value of my entire PC (including said 3070 and a nice 1440p 165hz 32'' monitor) on a single graphics card.

The only alternative is to wait for 50XX series and hope that the "5070" is priced fairly and performs in the 4090 level or better. Oh, and hopefully they fix the gigantic loss of FPS when turning RT/Path Tracing on. Because the 4090 suffers at that too.

Earlier this year, I bought a 4080 and used it for about two weeks until one of the fans died and had to RMA it.

I must say I couldn't be less impressed. When I cranked up Cyberpunk 2070 settings to max (overdrive settings) with DLSS on quality @1440p, it ran much slower than I had it running on my 3070 using regular ray tracing and high/ultra settings with DLSS also on quality at the same resolution. I almost felt relieved when the damn 4080 died on me, so I could get my money back.

So, for the OP, if you currently have anything on the 3060ti level or above, I'd say you should wait for the next "super" cards, or even better, the next VGA generation in 2025.

Because the only card worth it is the 4090 but it's price is so surreal I can't really recommend it unless you really have that kind of money to spare.
 
Tbh buying a video card today is an exercise in picking your poison. There are downsides to any choice you make :(
There is some truth to this. I prefer to look at it a different way: What is my budget? What features are important to me? What card will fit within the scope of that perspective? Can I wait a little while for a better generation to come(which naturally will give me time to save more money for a better card)?

If one looks at the process from a practical perspective, one can optimize the selection process and make a very wise purchase.
 
There is some truth to this. I prefer to look at it a different way: What is my budget? What features are important to me? What card will fit within the scope of that perspective? Can I wait a little while for a better generation to come(which naturally will give me time to save more money for a better card)?

If one looks at the process from a practical perspective, one can optimize the selection process and make a very wise purchase.

I did all of that and today there are no thoroughly good options. They all have drawbacks. Every single card. Unless you don't care about money.
 
well a 6900xt/6950xt sounds like what u need. save u a lil $$$$ my 6950 xt is equivilent to 4070ti.. in some cases a 4080 also a 7800xt would be a good choice https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-113...13-b19d-e2b6dac394c9&pd_rd_i=B0CFX69R1R&psc=1
I'd go for 7800 XT myself just because it's a newer card and performs more or less similarly like 6800 XT/69x0 XT and consumes about 50W less power. And it also has better RT performance even though I don't care about that feature that much.
 
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Exactly my thoughts.

I have a 3070 now, and the only card that should give me an upgrade sufficient to skip a generation is the 4090. But in my country (Brazil), it costs the same as an used car. Or a brand new motorcycle.

So, every time I start thinking about buying a 4090 I can only feel the stupidity of spending the value of my entire PC (including said 3070 and a nice 1440p 165hz 32'' monitor) on a single graphics card.

There is some truth to this. I prefer to look at it a different way: What is my budget? What features are important to me? What card will fit within the scope of that perspective? Can I wait a little while for a better generation to come(which naturally will give me time to save more money for a better card)?

If one looks at the process from a practical perspective, one can optimize the selection process and make a very wise purchase.

See, there's that additional question: I can buy one, it fulfills my tech requirements, but do I want to buy one? The cost of opportunity is much different at $1,000 than it is at $200.
 
There is this anti-Radeon sentiment even among tech enthusiasts, we had a great example with Starfield recently.
There is this persecution complex amongst Radeon fanboys that is getting really, really, really tiresome.
 
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Fanboys of any and all shades are really, really tiresome.
 
Fanboys of any and all shades are really, really tiresome.
It's a bit more complicated than that.
People are people. They will never be perfectly neutral, they will have their own preferences. One cannot usually tell they lean towards something if they do it unconsciously. On the other hand, when people detect a hint of bias in others, they have no problem labeling them as "fanboys". This is where meaningful conversations tend to end.
 
Having preferences and being a fanboi are two very, very different things in my book.
 
Having preferences and being a fanboi are two very, very different things in my book.
Of course they are. I'm just saying, that distinction tends to be thrown under the bus in internet forums.
 
go with 7900xt..
Everything else 4080..
But if it isn't hurry wait for super versions of 4xxx cards.
I'm living in hope that there will be 4070 super with at least 16gb ram and 256bus
There is, it’s a 4080 :roll:
 
It's not insane if you can afford it.


Given the benchmarks, I'm surprised by the nay-sayers. It's like people either can't read or just want to ignore the obvious staring them in the face, for example...


..this.

Let's look take a look at prices for consideration.
4090
$1800

4080
$1200

4070ti
$850

4070
$600

Now let's look at the benchmark results..
4090
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4080
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4070
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Given those results and the prices on offer, the 4080 is the CLEAR choice if you want good value for raytracing in that price range.

Now let's take a quick look at the 7900XTX;
$950
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For NON-raytracing gaming the Radeon 7900XTX is the clear choice in that price range.
I'm seeing a lot of charts, not really getting your overarching message. If its just that the 4080 is good at raytracing then yes thats correct.

You think the price is fair, I mean, I disagree, but thats fine I guess. We all have different opinions. I would say if you're going to spend $1200 on a card, might as well get the 4090. If thats too much, get the 7900xtx. If thats still too much get the 7900xt or a used 3090.

Ray tracing really doesn't mean much to me, I think I would only start caring if games started requiring it or if the non-rt settings in games started looking bad. Infact I was afraid that was the case just yesterday trying out Alan Wake 2, but it turned out I just missed the shadow settings. Once I turned those up it looked quite good, better than the rt version I say. Rt looks weird to me, but perhaps I've just grown accustomed to our techniques for faking light. They are quite good. I realize rt makes lighting easier for developers, and thats fine, as long as its only used exclusively once the midrange market can handle it. I think we're probably safe for this generation of console anyway.

I don't think OP mentioned RT but I dunno if he cares about that. DLSS is really nice to have, that much is for sure.

There is this persecution complex amongst Radeon fanboys that is getting really, really, really tiresome.
Haha, thats true. If anything its the opposite from what I'm seeing. Though after all the driver problems I had with 30 series I am really sick of the amd bad driver argument coming up again and again and again.
 
Want to spend less and keep the card longer > 7900XTX

Don’t care about RT performance as much > 7900XTX

Have money to burn, desire RT performance, and want the card to be supplanted by a super model in 3 months > 4080

Do you want to actually “future proof” > 4090

Minimize spending now and play most of every game while getting modern feature support to upgrade with next gen > 7800XT or 6900/6950XT if they can be found cheaper

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In the US, the 7900 XTX and 4080 are essentially no longer in the same price bracket; there’s generally a $200 price gap if you’re going to compare similar quality AIB models between the two. Unsure how this works out in other regions, but the 4080 is pretty poor value overall.
 
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It's a bit more complicated than that.
People are people. They will never be perfectly neutral, they will have their own preferences. One cannot usually tell they lean towards something if they do it unconsciously. On the other hand, when people detect a hint of bias in others, they have no problem labeling them as "fanboys". This is where meaningful conversations tend to end.
Its cancellation really of the discussion. Its the same thing as calling someone names, really. Just stop right there. Pointless to continue.

I'm not immune to pulling the fanboy card on someone, but only after several pages of back and forth going nowhere... at some point... I guess its a different way of saying 'let's agree to disagree' except then being an ass about it.
 
I did all of that and today there are no thoroughly good options. They all have drawbacks. Every single card. Unless you don't care about money.
Then you're choosing to be needlessly negative. We don't control the prices and the OP has already decided to make a purchase. So the best thing WE can do to acquiesce to their request for insight is help them make an informed and wise choice.

See, there's that additional question: I can buy one, it fulfills my tech requirements, but do I want to buy one? The cost of opportunity is much different at $1,000 than it is at $200.
Again, we don't control the prices. So that concern is only limited by what the purchaser can afford. If they can afford the card they want, then that option is open to them.

There is this persecution complex amongst Radeon fanboys that is getting really, really, really tiresome.
Hey look at that, we agree for once! :toast:

Fanboys of any and all shades are really, really tiresome.
Yes, yes they are!!

It's a bit more complicated than that.
Not really. It's a choice. Choose to be objective and impartial or choose to be a sheep following a particular herd. Maybe that's a difficult choice for some. It really shouldn't be.

I'm seeing a lot of charts, not really getting your overarching message.
If you're not able to pick up what I'm laying down, can't help you because I made it as simple as possible.

@Builder_Burger
The back & forth in this thread discussion aside, you have been afforded very good information to make an informed choice. You have some good options! This generation of GPU's is an excellent spread of cards and features, even if a bit pricey. I think the other users have short memories as it wasn't too long ago that a top-tier cards like the RTX3080 where impossible to find for less than $2200. So for this gen to have 4080s for $1200, while still a bit steep, it's doable and isn't highway robbery.

So whether you get an RTX 4070ti, an RTX 4080 or a 7900XT or 7900XTX, you're going to have a great card that will offer you GFX features you will enjoy!

Once you make your purchase, chime back in here and let us know what you got and if you'd like, some of us can help you fine tune your driver settings to get the best out of it! :rockout:
 
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Every AMD card I have will work, straight after install and driver install has zero issues. I don't get crashes, don't need to tweak, etc. My 6950XT has no issues and same thing; no tweaking needed.
That's so good for you and other 6 people here on forum.. Last amd non issue gpu in my pc was 5700... After that 6800/ 7900xt crashed in rdr2 on line . 7900xt settings profile would crashed with every boot or in middle of win11 using .. So thank you,but no thank you . And they don't know how to make power efficient gpus.. like market share shows whole 17% of gpu owning people are happy with Amd.. so enjoy my friends.. I wasn't.
 
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That's so good for you snd other 6 people here on forum.. Last amd non issue gpu in my pc was 5700... After that 6800/ 7900xt crashed in rdr2 on line . 7900xt settings profile would crashed with every boot or in middle of win11 using .. So thank you,but no thank you . And they don't know how to make power efficient gpus.. like market share shows whole 17% of gpu owning people are happy with Amd.. so enjoy my friends.. I wasn't.
My 6950XT pulls less than a RTX3080 with more performance and more vram, and punches blows with a RTX3090/Ti. I've seen AMD do more with driver fixes with major issues patched fairly quickly. I'm gonna go with PEBCAK issues for your situations because my 5700XT, 6800, 6800XT, 6950XT, and 7900XTX all are perfectly fine.

Oh and there is easily more than six people on the forum that run AMD just fine. Before you even attempt to call me a fanboy I do still use plenty of NVIDIA GPUs daily with no issues on that side.
 
My 6950XT pulls less than a RTX3080 with more performance and more vram, and punches blows with a RTX3090/Ti. I've seen AMD do more with driver fixes with major issues patched fairly quickly. I'm gonna go with PEBCAK issues for your situations because my 5700XT, 6800, 6800XT, 6950XT, and 7900XTX all are perfectly fine.

Oh and there is easily more than six people on the forum that run AMD just fine. Before you even attempt to call me a fanboy I do still use plenty of NVIDIA GPUs daily with no issues on that side.
This one says it doesn't:
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It's ~10% faster for ~10% more power.
 
Um, folks, if you read the OP's original comment, they are considering the RTX4000 series cards OR the RX7000 series cards.

None of the cards mentioned in the last few comments are being considered. Just throwing it out there.
 
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