Magic: The Gathering Club

[Cuzza]

Because the 0 mana activation cost is first, that goes off then it checks for the rest, you already paid the cost so the ability goes into activation.

You still cannot use that ability unless there is a specific source of damage. Also, if you did redirect the damage, that doesn't change the target, only where the damage ends up which are different things.

 

[1Kurgan1]

You still cannot use that ability unless there is a specific source of damage. Also, if you did redirect the damage, that doesn't change the target, only where the damage ends up which are different things.

Nope, it doesn't need any damage, his ability can be used before it checks for damage, it doesn't care when the damage happens. A lot of things in Magic now are "Prevent all damage this turn" and I assume that his would turn into a case of that checking for damage at end of turn, but it doesn't matter at that point as the targets have already gone off and made some fat clerics.

And I found the rule that states he works for this.

419.3. There are no special restrictions on playing a spell or ability that generates a replacement or prevention effect. Such effects last until they're used up or their duration has expired.

So I was dead on, see so you wouldn't have been so upset against it since I knew the ruling

 

[psyko12]

Wow cool! MTG, I remembered playing til 6th ed.. Then found out nobody else is playing here... Usually rare... I had 2 decks.. 1 Goblin Deck, and 1 black "knight" deck. Hmm hafta check on that apprentice app. Cool club

 

[Cuzza]

419.3. There are no special restrictions on playing a spell or ability that generates a replacement or prevention effect. Such effects last until they're used up or their duration has expired.

Sure, that effect may last, but it still cant redirect a non-existent damage. Therefore how can your clerics possibly be targeted by anything? I still don't see at which point the clerics are actually being targeted.

 

[1Kurgan1]

Sure, that effect may last, but it still cant redirect a non-existent damage. Therefore how can your clerics possibly be targeted by anything? I still don't see at which point the clerics are actually being targeted.

Sure it can, the rule itself says there are no restrictions for prevent/redirect effects (that means even if there is no damage to redirect). Meaning you can set it off as many times as you like without any damage being there, and if no damage ends up landing on the creature by the end of the turn the effect resolves (such effects last until they're used up or their duration has expired).

Your stuck on the damage part of it, and it doesn't need the damage to target, the damage isn't what matters, it's the cleric being targeted by an ability.

 

[Cuzza]

In which case it is an invalid target and cannot be targeted so the spell fizzles.

 

[1Kurgan1]

The target is still valid, with or without damage, the ability still resolves (as it doesn't care if there is or isn't damage there), so the target still resolves. So it would "fizzle" the damage part, as that number being redirected ends up being 0, but the target is still valid.

The rule says it, I have explained it, not sure what else to tell you, except that everyone on the MTG forums (the gleemax forums on the wizard website) will tell you the samething. The target was still valid, as no damage has to be redirected in order for the ability to be used, as they don't check for any until the end of the turn and when it expires it would turn them into 0's (and 0 is a number).

The fun world of MTG, so full of technicalities :/ Like announcing your Declare attackers step instead of just tapping your creatures, little things can mean so much.

 

[Cuzza]

I disagree. let's just leave it there. i don't think either of us is going to convince the other!

you're so right though, technicalities are the soul of this game. that's why i love arguing about it.

 

[Frick]

Aww, long time ago. I played until Onslaught, I think.. I look at new cards sometimes and I have no idea what they're doing.

I've been seriously thinking about bying a couple of theme decks to play with my visiting relatives though.. We'll see what happens. It's good fun.

 

[1Kurgan1]

I disagree. let's just leave it there. i don't think either of us is going to convince the other!

you're so right though, technicalities are the soul of this game. that's why i love arguing about it.

You can''t disagree though, its a rule I checked over at the mtg forums and every single reply agreed. I only say that because, I can't say I disagree with a play down at a type 2 tournament, a rule is a rule. But yeah this has been going on a while, nice to have a good MTG convo though.

Aww, long time ago. I played until Onslaught, I think.. I look at new cards sometimes and I have no idea what they're doing.

I've been seriously thinking about bying a couple of theme decks to play with my visiting relatives though.. We'll see what happens. It's good fun.

The new sets aren't too bad, the block that got away was the Kamigawa block, just didn't fit MTG. This all fits with the theme, wouldn't be too hard to pick up, if you need any advice feel free to ask.

 

[Cuzza]

yeah, but i have a different version of the rules!!

4th edition rulebook, circa 1995. If it's not in here, I don't know shit about it.

 

[Taz100420]

Man I used to play MTG like I play my computer now! My fav decks were the Black and Red. My fav. card was Battle Squadron, how ever many attacking monsters was strength and defenders was H.P. As to what edition, I have no clue anymore. I loved the Unglued deck, they had some funny shit like the 2-card B.F.M. Strongest monster to date with 99/99 lol. I have a MTG:Battlegrounds game that is just collecting dust on the shelf. I havent played it much.

I used to have over 1,000 cards in all until my old room flooded and lost 3/4 of them

 

[LittleLizard]

I just thought about this

With this little software we can play and create our own edition. I think i will start making a tpu edition

 

[Marineborn]

i am MTG JESUS!!! i have played against my good freind kurgan since the 5th grade, his wildfire is bullshit, his clerics are good and cuzza if you seen the cards that he does that combo with you would understand it does work and its very powerfull. MTG for life suckas

 

[1Kurgan1]

yeah, but i have a different version of the rules!!

http://img.techpowerup.org/090702/rules.jpg

4th edition rulebook, circa 1995. If it's not in here, I don't know shit about it.

Old School, I remember having those come in 75 card random boxes. But you should see the rule book now, if you noticed that was just rule #419.3

i am MTG JESUS!!! i have played against my good freind kurgan since the 5th grade, his wildfire is bullshit, his clerics are good and cuzza if you seen the cards that he does that combo with you would understand it does work and its very powerfull. MTG for life suckas

Yeah, we've had lots of good games over the years. Many a people have had to die to kill one Jeroth and a Worship.

 

[Cuzza]

i still have the boxes.

 

[Melvis]

yeah, but i have a different version of the rules!!

http://img.techpowerup.org/090702/rules.jpg

4th edition rulebook, circa 1995. If it's not in here, I don't know shit about it.

I have one of those books somewhere in about as good condition as yours lol

 

[1Kurgan1]

Well M10 Pre-Release was yesterday, I really wish I could have gone as a ton of friends went and played, it was $25 for 6 packs (you built your deck with these) and you got a

I was going to go down and play again today, but then I got itchy and pre-ordered 12 packs for $34 ($2.83 each) which was a much better choice as it's like $25 for 6 packs down at a shop ($4.16 each). And then I ordered a few cards to start my new Red/Green beatdown, well not a few cards, just 4x

Really amped to get this deck together and get my packs, so far my deck sounds flat out wicked in my mind, just need to think up a versatile side board. So how about any of you, looking at getting some M10?

 

[Marineborn]

OVERPOWERED!!!!....i might have to buy some, lol

 

[1Kurgan1]

Yeah M10 is ridiculous, partially because it's no longer a remake set, 50% of the editions will be remade cards now, and the other 50% will be new cards that are styled like old cards (both of which those 2 are. I might actually go play today, really tempted, that would mean I would have a half box of the new set.

 

[Melvis]

OVERPOWERED!!!!....i might have to buy some, lol

Like Mirrodin :shadedshu

 

[Cuzza]

I would like to have that vampire nocturnus.

 

[Ahhzz]

yeah, but i have a different version of the rules!!

http://img.techpowerup.org/090702/rules.jpg

4th edition rulebook, circa 1995. If it's not in here, I don't know shit about it.

heheh got a few of those around Just came across my Ice Age rulebook this weekend too

 

[1Kurgan1]

Here's the whole M10 Spoiler list, there isn't any list up yet with all the pictures as the set doesn't officially release until the 17th. At that point I'll put up that list, but rejoice old schoolers as Ball Lightning and Lightning Bolt (I always said this would never be back, so shocked) are back.

M10 Spoiler List

Like Mirrodin :shadedshu

That block wasn't too bad, only thing that was at all competitive was Affinity. The OP block was Urza's, loved that block.

I would like to have that vampire nocturnus.

Yeah, thats a really cool card, won't be too competitive in Standard play, but will make a wicked fun theme deck, I'm probably going to toss one together. I ended up going to the tourney and getting a promo one. The alt art on them is so much better than the normal, I might have to try and trade for some.

 

[MomentoMoir]

I just got all my magic cards back!!!! But thayre going to be put in storage