Major Intel CPU Hardware Vulnerability Found

R-T-B · Jan 4, 2018

Knoxx29 said:
it seems that Intel has ruined AMD's Party

Judging from the stock today, you kinda got that one backwards.

Probably short term, admittedly.

FireFox · Jan 4, 2018

Now i am scared to update my Motherboard's Bios, maybe they want to trick me :rolleyes:

Batou1986 · Jan 4, 2018

The thing here is all these people jumping to say what is affected and what isn't didnt bother to read before clicking the publish button.
EVERYTHING is vulnerable to specter which can be fixed with a minor software patch that has little to no performance impact. "hopefully"
INTEL is vulnerable to meltdown which needs a software patch that definitely has a performance impact.

This is where the back and forth about what is effected and what isn't is coming from.
Here are your sources

https://meltdownattack.com/meltdown.pdf

kidchunk · Jan 4, 2018

Batou1986 said:
The thing here is all these people jumping to say what is affected and what isn't didnt bother to read before clicking the publish button.
EVERYTHING is vulnerable to specter which can be fixed with a minor software patch that has little to no performance impact. "hopefully"
INTEL is vulnerable to meltdown which needs a software patch that definitely has a performance impact.

This is where the back and forth about what is effected and what isn't is coming from.
Here are your sources
View attachment 95525
https://meltdownattack.com/meltdown.pdf

Thanks for the clarity it was needed, btw here is AMD's official Response...
link >>> https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution

R-T-B · Jan 4, 2018

Batou1986 said:
EVERYTHING is vulnerable to specter which can be fixed with a minor software patch that has little to no performance impact.

That's not what I read about Specter. According to my understanding, specter is inherently unfixable without hardware changes, because of how OoO execution works in most modern CPUs.

RejZoR · Jan 4, 2018

R-T-B said:
That's not what I read about Specter. According to my understanding, specter is inherently unfixable without hardware changes, because of how OoO execution works in most modern CPUs.

Not true according to Google research team. Spectre1 affects all processors, but in AMD's case, only Linux kernels. Fix is possible from OS side. All Intel CPU's are affected and no fix is possible except for Meltdown, for which performance will degrade.

Which means AMD users on Windows are fine, on Linux they'll require fix for Spectre1. For the rest, the are not affected.

laszlo · Jan 4, 2018

for those who think are affected there is a fix which work 100% - disconnect from internet

but this fix has a 99% performance hit....no more pron ,movies, forum.... in a way wouldn't be bad as we'll have more direct social interaction ,as we had 20 years ago....i miss those times...., and kids won't grow-up with facebook and other personality wreaking apps...

Vya Domus · Jan 4, 2018

RejZoR said:
but in AMD's case, only Linux kernels.

Can't say I am an expert on the matter but from what I gathered this can occur on every OS.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Jan 4, 2018

Solaris17 said:
This. Totally blows for providers that have invested billions in cloud infra. but its going to be great if you buy AMD servers at work! Now your IT dept will have more budget! Always a silver lining

You say that but i imagine AMDs Epic sales guy is sweating, Amd run a tight ship, just how many server chips Could they ship, id be saying the likes of Cadvium might win some work but their arm core's could also be affected , this could actually finish up a few companies if it goes too bad.
Not good for the industry this I'm not likely to be impacted directly until i upgrade pc but we probably all will be eventually via costs.

Vya Domus · Jan 4, 2018

theoneandonlymrk said:
You say that but i imagine AMDs Epic sales guy is sweating

I wouldn't be so sure , there are plenty of people still convinced Intel is the only choice to make for servers even with their astronomically priced parts and this issue.

Zyll Goliat · Jan 4, 2018

Some tests after the win 10 patch

FireFox · Jan 4, 2018

Zyll Goliath said:
Some tests after the win 10 patch

Is it that bad? Not at all.

jsfitz54 · Jan 4, 2018

SEE THE PATCH: https://www.bing.com/search?q=KB4056892&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IESR3A&pc=EUPP_

KB4056892

R-T-B · Jan 4, 2018

RejZoR said:
Not true according to Google research team. Spectre1 affects all processors, but in AMD's case, only Linux kernels. Fix is possible from OS side. All Intel CPU's are affected and no fix is possible except for Meltdown, for which performance will degrade.

Which means AMD users on Windows are fine, on Linux they'll require fix for Spectre1. For the rest, the are not affected.

I guess I was simply misunderstanding the differentiation between spectre1 and spectre2. So many bugs either way... easy to get confused. Thanks.

FireFox · Jan 4, 2018

jsfitz54 said:
SEE THE PATCH: https://www.bing.com/search?q=KB4056892&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IESR3A&pc=EUPP_

KB4056892

As i can see it has to be downloaded manually or am i wrong?

P4-630 · Jan 4, 2018

Knoxx29 said:
As i can see it has to be downloaded manually or am i wrong?

Well I got this update installed today on my w10 laptop via the usual windows updates: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4056892/windows-10-update-kb4056892

Sasqui · Jan 4, 2018

Zyll Goliath said:
Some tests after the win 10 patch

Good post and good news for us average Joe users and gamers. Several benchmarks improved even.

Now we'll wait to see the verdict with VM's and servers...

FireFox · Jan 4, 2018

P4-630 said:
Well I got this update installed today on my w10 laptop via the usual windows updates: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4056892/windows-10-update-kb4056892

This is what i have so far and it was yesterday, nothing new today

Sasqui said:
Good post and good news for us average Joe users and gamers. Several benchmarks improved even.

I saw the video and said WTF

THE_EGG · Jan 4, 2018

Received my update and installed it a couple of hours ago. Performance doesn't seem to have taken a noticeable hit - so it's all g.

A nice bonus is that it seems to have randomly fixed my audio device driver bug I've had for a couple of weeks.

R0H1T · Jan 4, 2018

THE_EGG said:
Received my update and installed it a couple of hours ago. Performance doesn't seem to have taken a noticeable hit - so it's all g.

A nice bonus is that it seems to have randomly fixed my audio device driver bug I've had for a couple of weeks.

Funny, my notebook's gone mute after the update

Bill_Bright · Jan 4, 2018

FTR - it was reported these fixes and Windows Updates could potentially degrade performance with some processors up to 30%. I have not done any benchmarks to see how things look "on paper", but I can say I have "perceived" no performance degradation whatsoever with any of my systems. These include a variety of i3, i5 and i7 based platforms.

Zyll Goliat · Jan 4, 2018

Sasqui said:
Good post and good news for us average Joe users and gamers. Several benchmarks improved even.

Now we'll wait to see the verdict with VM's and servers...

Yeah.....I still going to postpone this update a bit :wtf:

.....

FireFox · Jan 4, 2018

Zyll Goliath said:
Yeah.....I still going to postpone this update a bit .....

I have my Windows update disable for now.

FYFI13 · Jan 4, 2018

Zyll Goliath said:
Some tests after the win 10 patch

I also did quite a lot of benchmarking today and can't really see any noticeable differences. All results are within margin of error.

FireFox · Jan 4, 2018

FYFI13 said:
I also did quite a lot of benchmarking today and can't really see any noticeable differences. All results are within margin of error.

People were panicking without even knowing what was really happening and some others even were saying that they wouldn't buy an Intel CPU any more ROFL

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Major Intel CPU Hardware Vulnerability Found

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