Microsoft Auto-updating Eligible Windows 11 PCs to Version 23H2

[Wirko]

Win10 was a buggy mess at the start. It took years for it to stabilize.

True. It's sad that a stable UI also means Windows is nearing the end of support.

 

[chrcoluk]

No. This is about upgrading Win11 22H2 users to 23H2. If you have disabled TPM in Win10 then they can't upgrade you.

It was an abomination.

Too little, too late.

Win10 was a buggy mess at the start. It took years for it to stabilize. It came out in 2015. I moved to it in 2019 due to my new hardware not supporting Win7 properly.

If by centralized UI you mean the taskbar than this can easily be changed back from the settings to the left side. Start menu is still there. Just redesigned as usual in every new version of windows. I would not say the UI elements are bigger in Win11 compared to Win10. There is no "mobile UI" as you call it.

Please show me a screenshot of this start menu.

Also task bar with small icons, tightly packed together for space efficiency.

Spacing on explorer text menu's gaps between each line, size of font.

Its bigger, I just dont think you noticed.

I didnt join 10 until 1809 LTSC build, and I wanted to wait until 21H2 LTSC but hand was forced because of no Windows 8 drivers for the RTX 3080. (was using 8.1 with startisback). Although I think by 1809 10 had improved enough to be useable, but certianly at the start it was in a unacceptable state for me to use.

Of course when I talk about 10, I talk about 10 in its current state, Windows XP was an extremely popular OS, but us early adopters are aware of the problems it had, and it had a lot. XP dodgy at start, great at end.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah I use a buttload of reg files and explorer patcher for start menu like 10s

 

[chrcoluk]

Hi,
Yeah I use a buttload of reg files and explorer patcher for start menu like 10s

Might install it again in a VM after the next update to see what I need to do to make it like how I want. But wasnt comfortable with the idea of using explorer patcher on a day to day build, is that stable for you?

 

[ThrashZone]

Might install it again in a VM after the next update to see what I need to do to make it like how I want. But wasnt comfortable with the idea of using explorer patcher on a day to day build, is that stable for you?

Hi,
I don't use it for anything but start menu, it reads other changes I made with reg files I did use it for other explorer changes but 11's explorer really isn't bad enough to mess with it all I really missed was preview pane on the top right and it's there now so all good.
Everything else is on right click menu hehe
But yeah context menu is the first thing to get toasted
Here's a good list of alterations

Windows 11 Tweaks - Leader Board.

These are tweaks I've seen asked for... many times. They are collected here for easy access. All of these and more can be found in the Eleven Forum Tutorials section. Make sure to read the "notes" in the various tutorials. At the bottom of the first post in all the "tutorials", there are...

www.elevenforum.com

Yeah EP is fine of course I don't use insider/ developer/ beta bs ware builds though.
So stick with main releases and everything is fine.

 

[Tomorrow]

Please show me a screenshot of this start menu.

Plenty on screenshots of this in the internet. Like i said - start menu has been redesigned in most new versions of windows and it's impossible to please everyone. There are always people complaining about it.

Also task bar with small icons, tightly packed together for space efficiency.

Taskbar is also missing big icons like it did in Win10. Yes it's true that the small icons option is missing in Win11.
As for space efficiency - i have pinned 19 icons on taskbar and from the free space it seems pin 25 more before it's full.
If you need to pin more than 45 icons then you're out of luck at the moment.

I attached 3 screenshots i made from Win10 a while ago showing different icons sizes. The Large icon size can only be enabled with a 3rd party program.

Spacing on explorer text menu's gaps between each line, size of font.

There is compact mode for explorer. Also there was another setting that affects the spacing and that is the view you use. If you use Detailed view than there are no gaps. If you use List view then there are gaps even with Compact setting.

That explains why it doesn't happen to me. I always use the Detail view.
In the Detail and Content views the gaps are non-existent.
In the List and Tiles views, it is already larger and selectable.
With four different icon views, the differences are already quite large.

So if you absolutely want to use the List view, you have to put up with this quirk or use some other file manager.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Plenty on screenshots of this in the internet. Like i said - start menu has been redesigned in most new versions of windows and it's impossible to please everyone. There are always people complaining about it.

They pleased me ~17 years ago. Didn't need to change.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Honestly dont know how you dont notice the changes in 11.

Of course I see the changes in Windows 11. Thats how things progress. What I dont understand is everyones negativity to upgrade to it. Is it just because they dont like new things?

 

[chrcoluk]

Of course I see the changes in Windows 11. Thats how things progress. What I dont understand is everyones negativity to upgrade to it. Is it just because they dont like new things?

Your question is already answered, at least by me.

 

[ThrashZone]

They pleased me ~17 years ago. Didn't need to change.

View attachment 336364

Hi,
Looks like open shell.

 

[chrcoluk]

Plenty on screenshots of this in the internet. Like i said - start menu has been redesigned in most new versions of windows and it's impossible to please everyone. There are always people complaining about it.

Taskbar is also missing big icons like it did in Win10. Yes it's true that the small icons option is missing in Win11.
As for space efficiency - i have pinned 19 icons on taskbar and from the free space it seems pin 25 more before it's full.
If you need to pin more than 45 icons then you're out of luck at the moment.

I attached 3 screenshots i made from Win10 a while ago showing different icons sizes. The Large icon size can only be enabled with a 3rd party program.


There is compact mode for explorer. Also there was another setting that affects the spacing and that is the view you use. If you use Detailed view than there are no gaps. If you use List view then there are gaps even with Compact setting.

That explains why it doesn't happen to me. I always use the Detail view.
In the Detail and Content views the gaps are non-existent.
In the List and Tiles views, it is already larger and selectable.
With four different icon views, the differences are already quite large.

So if you absolutely want to use the List view, you have to put up with this quirk or use some other file manager.

Thanks for the screenshots, yeah the small one's have excessive padding, on the start menu complaints, they wouldnt be there if they preserved the existing menu as an option, like drdro said e.g. keep his favourite menu in place and then he is happy, adding new options is fine if you dont remove the old. Thats enhancing, but when you start changing fundamentals it becomes revolution instead.

We have a choice, thats a nice thing, some are ok with it, some like it, some dont like it, Windows 10 is still supported so its a valid option for people to use, 5 years time things may be different with 3rd party support, but thats then, and now is now.

 

[ThrashZone]

Of course I see the changes in Windows 11. Thats how things progress. What I dont understand is everyones negativity to upgrade to it. Is it just because they dont like new things?

lol so why did the start menu regress from 10s mr cup is half full

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Your question is already answered, at least by me.

Your issue is just telementry and a start menu. Thats nothing.

 

[chrcoluk]

Your issue is just telementry and a start menu. Thats nothing.

Start menu is everything, I also didnt mention telemetry for 11, and mentioned other things as well.

To me the UI is super duper important, keep me happy, dont mess with it, simples.

 

[Tomorrow]

Start menu is irrelevant for me. I have unpinned everything from there and minimized the recommended section to one row.
I rarely even open it. As for telemetry - that can be blocked with a firewall or hosts file. As if Win10 default start menu is better?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Hi,
Looks like open shell.

It's actually Start11, but yea, OpenShell works as well

 

[Frank_100]

I'll give it a shot.
Maybe Microsoft fixed the bugs in Windows defender and desktop files.

I can always clonezilla back to 10.

back to 10.
Or should I say I could not get 10 to upgrade to 11.
It seems windows update doesn't like the Blue Stacks emulator.
This computer (Intel 7900x) is six years old.
Guess it is not going to run windows 11.

 

[windwhirl]

It seems windows update doesn't like the Blue Stacks emulator.

My guess is that Windows 11 will want to switch on VBS (Virtualization based security) and that would break your version of BlueStacks (I had a similar trouble when I enabled HyperV, which is what VBS is based on).

 

[ThrashZone]

back to 10.
Or should I say I could not get 10 to upgrade to 11.
It seems windows update doesn't like the Blue Stacks emulator.
This computer (Intel 7900x) is six years old.
Guess it is not going to run windows 11.

Hi,
All you'd need is a bios update to add PTT option which is bios TPM.
Chip/ upgrade to 11 should be okay after that assuming disk is efi only boot.