Microsoft Introduces Copilot for Gaming

[lexluthermiester]

Because Nadella is a moron

Also true!

 

[LabRat 891]

It has the audacity to ask back!
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No, don't pull up a quick strategy guide, just answer the damn question!

Where has learning through experimenting and challenging one's creativity gone?

Uhhh... is that self-preservation?

 

[AusWolf]

Uhhh... is that self-preservation?

It's when you start thinking about the detrimental long-term effects after having a quick thought about the short-term benefits.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Need to find some decent use better than Clippy 2.0 for all the hundreds of billions spent...

To be fair, Clippy and the Wizzard were actually useful to newcomers and inexperienced users of msoffice(at that time). AI has already proven it can't be trusted and as such copilot should be considered a very annoying piece of trash.

 

[watzupken]

They are stuffing AI in all their applications to be able to keep the narrative that the adoption rate is “very high”. It’s similar to the narrative the AI is selling well because it’s bundled with electronic devices even if you are never going to appreciate it or use it. But the inflows from AI will not keep up with the operating cost, much less the initial startup cost of setting up and equipping these data centers.

 

[lexluthermiester]

They are stuffing AI in all their applications to be able to keep the narrative that the adoption rate is “very high”.

And only the ignorant will believe such a blatant lie.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

It has the audacity to ask back!
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No, don't pull up a quick strategy guide, just answer the damn question!

Where has learning through experimenting and challenging one's creativity gone?

Well right there is the one of the major problems with AI. If it just pulls up a web search, it's not doing anything special. If it actually gives you the answer, then, in all likelihood, it stole the information from a gaming website, bypassing the page hits that website needs for survival. It was one of the big original concerns about a core tenant of AI--scraping the internet of its unique content without contributing to its existence. Creative types have sued these companies. There have always been "hacks" in the Hollywood sense, but they didn't have the power to proliferate like an LLM can. "What's the best way to take out The Beast," indeed.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well right there is the one of the major problems with AI. If it just pulls up a web search, it's not doing anything special. If it actually gives you the answer, then, in all likelihood, it stole the information from a gaming website, bypassing the page hits that website needs for survival. It was one of the big original concerns about a core tenant of AI--scraping the internet of its unique content without contributing to its existence. Creative types have sued these companies. There have always been "hacks" in the Hollywood sense, but they didn't have the power to proliferate like an LLM can. "What's the best way to take out The Beast," indeed.

Yeah, this is another blatant problem. Such activity is both immoral and unethical. In certain areas it's also illegal. There is a huge need for microsoft to be given a solid and hard hitting smackdown.

 

[Random_User]

Does it also ask you to jump off a cliff, if it can't find answers/strategies

Say Hi, to Wheatley!

 

[Assimilator]

They are stuffing AI in all their applications to be able to keep the narrative that the adoption rate is “very high”. It’s similar to the narrative the AI is selling well because it’s bundled with electronic devices even if you are never going to appreciate it or use it. But the inflows from AI will not keep up with the operating cost, much less the initial startup cost of setting up and equipping these data centers.

Bingo. Just like Uber, they're giving it away for close-to-free now in the hope that people will become dependent enough on it to start charging ALL THE MONIES in future. Except there's no world in which ordinary people (i.e. gamers) are willing to pay for a fancy search engine.

As for the professional world, the value proposition is a lot stronger there, except... that world requires accuracy and precision and hey guess what, LLMs randomly make s**t up all the time. Which is completely orthogonal to accuracy and precision!

 

[theouto]

To quote sean dyche:
"The game's gone"

Getting stuck and figuring things out is part of gaming, and if you can't deal with it then it's on the player to look up a guide. If gaming stops challenging the user either because it's piss easy or because whenever there's a challenge the machine solves it for you, what's the point of playing games? Genuinely, at that point just have it take over and do things for you.

Game's gone is a somewhat sarcastic phrase, obviously, but it always has a bit of truth to it, even if originally that phrase was used in the context of football.

 

[Epaminombas]

I mean, arguably like 70-80% of the default modern consumer Windows install can be easily classified as bloatware. This just adds onto the ever-growing pile, unfortunately.

I don't know what you're talking about.

It only installs pre-installed programs that are its products and no one else's

and you can manually uninstall them without any problems and you can also disable resources without resorting to hacks.

 

[Gooigi's Ex]

I DONT WANT CLIPPY IN MY VIDEO GAMES!
STOP IT MICROSOFT!!!

 

[L'Eliminateur]

Figuring out how to solve things in games is a big part of the fun, with a chatbot (assuming it works) so close at hand, the temptation to just ask is definitely there.
I personally really would not want such a thing near me while gaming, if anything it rewards bad game design, just ask the chatbot, instead of the game giving you the proper guidance.

With the shit game design that has permeated the entire industry for pretty much 15+ years already, i welcome this with open arms, we all know games don't give you proper guidance and are full of shit delay mechanics designed to annoy and extend "gameplay time"

I want this with bathed breath, same as the one nvidia showed, instead of having to alt-tab, google the question, pour trough countless forums/reddit/yt vids with the walkthrough and then having to tab back to do it and continue to tab back and forth if it's complicated i can simply ask the bot that should interpret what i'm seeing on screen and give the me the step by step on an overlay.

If you want to not use, don't use it, for me i value my time more than to solve some dumb inane puzzle i never cared about that normally it'd make me shelve the game entirely.

 

[Epaminombas]

I DONT WANT CLIPPY IN MY VIDEO GAMES!
STOP IT MICROSOFT!!!

All new features released in the last 10 years for Windows 10 and 11 are completely OPTIONAL.

No one is forced to use them. Whoever WANTS to use them can use them.

You get angry and bothered by optional things because you need psychologists and psychiatrists.

Just because YOU especially don't want them, then in your head everyone 100% doesn't want them. Because the world revolves around you, right?

With the shit game design that has permeated the entire industry for pretty much 15+ years already, i welcome this with open arms, we all know games don't give you proper guidance and are full of shit delay mechanics designed to annoy and extend "gameplay time"

I want this with bathed breath, same as the one nvidia showed, instead of having to alt-tab, google the question, pour trough countless forums/reddit/yt vids with the walkthrough and then having to tab back to do it and continue to tab back and forth if it's complicated i can simply ask the bot that should interpret what i'm seeing on screen and give the me the step by step on an overlay.

If you want to not use, don't use it, for me i value my time more than to solve some dumb inane puzzle i never cared about that normally it'd make me shelve the game entirely.

There is something similar to this feature on Twitch, where the streamer opens an interactive help window so that viewers can understand the game and interact with it.

It's not something new, but it's something to be an assistant.

I remember a lot of people complaining about Sea of Thieves because the game didn't have a tutorial and you had to talk to NPCs and interact with the environment to find out what to do.

People are used to linear games that don't give you any options and that have footage every 20 minutes in the form of movies so you can rest your little hand and watch your game instead of playing and thinking.

 

[Onasi]

@Epaminombas
Here’s a crazy idea - how about the OS just comes as an OS with a minimal utilities preinstall package and all the amazing optional features are opt-in via the, you know, actually already existing for many Windows versions tool in the Control Panel (now in Settings) called… wait for it, this one’s spicy… Optional Features! Nah, probably just crazy talk, better have fucking Candy Crush preinstalled and force people to create their own images for deployment because you want to play at being an “ecosystem”, even though MS is historically dogshit at it.

 

[Epaminombas]

@Epaminombas
Here’s a crazy idea - how about the OS just comes as an OS with a minimal utilities preinstall package and all the amazing optional features are opt-in via the, you know, actually already existing for many Windows versions tool in the Control Panel (now in Settings) called… wait for it, this one’s spicy… Optional Features! Nah, probably just crazy talk, better have fucking Candy Crush preinstalled and force people to create their own images for deployment because you want to play at being an “ecosystem”, even though MS isn’t s historically dogshit at it.

Windows 11 Home has fewer features than 11 PRO because PRO was made for companies and has additional features.

11 PRO also takes up 5GB of RAM. 11 Home takes up 4GB of RAM.

Here I use 11 Home and I uninstalled everything I didn't want manually and it took less than 5 minutes to do it.

I don't have any apps from the Microsoft store installed, just OneDrive which I USE and Outlook and nothing else.
I disable features in the settings that I don't want to be active, such as activity history, Copilot and Widget. All of this took less than 10 minutes to do after formatting Windows 11 Home.

On my Android 15 Motorola I was also able to uninstall and disable everything I didn't want.

You get angry about things that can be changed and are easy to solve and extremely fast.
My original Windows 11 Home from Microsoft is clean. There, next to my clock, in the lower left corner, there is only the network and sound icons. And I did not use ANY third-party program to customize my Windows 11 Home.

You guys have an inexplicable anger, you look like children in a supermarket.

 

[AGlezB]

will be there when you need it but out of the way if you don't

That has to be MS biggest lie yet.

What'll actually happen is you'll get a prompt every few seconds with Copilot trying to be useful and failing misserably and every half-hour or so you'll get another one prompting you to upgrade your subscription to a higher (and more expensive) tier. You will not be able to completely disable it and they'll even add a new key to the controllers or do a remap so every time you forget and press the button Copilot will get in you face again. And from time to time one of your children will come crying their eyes out because something Copilot did or say that was either stupid, offensive, racist or something.

Instant gratification and rewarding stupidity. Participation medal for everyone - that's what this is.

If you ever wondered what the easiest way to take over the planet: make the population dumber in a way that they think they're being smart.
And once you get them used to have their answers from a chatbot you control the rest is just a matter of time.

Take religion, for example. Once you're convinced the world is controlled by an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent entity everything else is believable because said entity can make it happen. Water into wine? Sure. What vintage do you want?

Once you're convinced you chatbot always has the answer .... and now you know why the biggest tech companies in the world are going so hard at it.

 

[Epaminombas]

That has to be MS biggest lie yet.

What'll actually happen is you'll get a prompt every few seconds with Copilot trying to be useful and failing misserably and every half-hour or so you'll get another one prompting you to upgrade your subscription to a higher (and more expensive) tier. You will not be able to completely disable it and they'll even add a new key to the controllers or do a remap so every time you forget and press the button Copilot will get in you face again. And from time to time one of your children will come crying their eyes out because something Copilot did or say that was either stupid, offensive, racist or something.

I have never used Copilot since the day it was released, it has never been on my action bar. I have never received a warning to activate it.

I even forget that it exists, I only remember when I see someone complaining on a forum about things that do not exist, only in the imagination of strange people like you.

 

[WatchThe80s]

Installing games withouth buying them? Copilot for Gaming seems very nice.

 

[AGlezB]

I have never used Copilot since the day it was released, it has never been on my action bar. I have never received a warning to activate it.

I even forget that it exists, I only remember when I see someone complaining on a forum about things that do not exist, only in the imagination of strange people like you.

There is a philosophical question that is usually used in the same context where someone says "things that do not exist":

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

You not knowing something or not seeing something only speaks of your limitations. For instance, I get this every morning when I launch MS Teams for work:

And this is right now from MS Tech Blog:

And it goes on. Now, if you think it took those screen captures from my imagination ..... it doesn't matter, I'm not here to cure ignorance or stupidity.

 

[Epaminombas]

There is an option in the settings menu where you can disable application recommendations...

This message has never appeared in my MS Teams.

Is your Windows in your native language? Why is it so difficult to read the settings menu?

 

[AGlezB]

There is an option in the settings menu where you can disable application recommendations...

This message has never appeared in my MS Teams.

Is your Windows in your native language? Why is it so difficult to read the settings menu?

And here I am again wishing TPU had a facepalm reaction.

If you're not getting invited to a conference you're (a) not using the right enterprise subscription or (b) not have a suitable job title or (c) are not in the right region or (d) are not senior enough or any other million combination of possibilities. If you really want to know: ask Microsoft. One thing is for sure: you're not relevant enough for them to bother you.

 

[Epaminombas]

And here I am again wishing TPU had a facepalm reaction.

If you're not getting invited to a conference you're (a) not using the right enterprise subscription or (b) not have a suitable job title or (c) are not in the right region or (d) are not senior enough or any other million combination of possibilities. If you really want to know: ask Microsoft. One thing is for sure: you're not relevant enough for them to bother you.

I just said that in the options there is a way to disable these recommendations.

I give you the solution and you get annoyed.

It's really strange that you

 

[bad1080]

It has the audacity to ask back!
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No, don't pull up a quick strategy guide, just answer the damn question!

Where has learning through experimenting and challenging one's creativity gone?

ai = lmgtfy