Monitor colors calibration?

[YahyaMegahed]

I don't know if this is the right place for thr post,

I have PC monitor Dell S2421HGF attached to Nvidia 1050ti card through a high quality DP cable and also have an Xiaomi mi 11 lite 4G,

Unlike the phone display which colours are accurate, well defined and vivid, the dell monitor colours look inaccurate, dull, muffled or washed out or less saturated,

I want to know is it a problem with the PC monitor or it's just because this monitor is TN while Phones' is AMOLED?

I tried to compare some movie scenes on both monitors,
Aquaman for example, colours are less vivid, not so accurate contrast.

Taken 2008, nightmare chapter, Kims' hair on phone is light brown while on pc monitor is reddish, contrast also is much better.

I'm trying not to be nitpicking but is there any problems or it's just me being skeptical?

 

[pavle]

Try lowering brightness on the monitor (e.g. from 100 to 70 for start). On many monitors, brightness is too high on factory preset and colors can appear washed out.

 

[YahyaMegahed]

I already did and BTW monitor defaults to 75 and i lowered it to 70 indeed but all problems i'm describing are after manual tweaking through monitor controller and Nvidia control panel.

And BTW, What was Kim's hair colour in Taken movie?
For making accurate assessment.

 

[95Viper]

What was Kim's hair colour in Taken movie?

Depending on the lighting, her hair was light brunette to auburn... as far as I saw.

Take a look at these and see if they may help: Monitor Calibration Made Easy With These 5 Online Tools & How to Calibrate Your Monitor for Accurate Colors: 4 Easy Methods

 

[YahyaMegahed]

I accidentally discovered that PC monitor was running at 120Hz instead of its native 144Hz,

When i fixed that, colours, contrast and saturation improved greatly,

I don't know what refresh rate has to do with colours but anyway it's much more better now although it's still no match for phone's AMOLED display.

 

[Logan7]

I accidentally discovered that PC monitor was running at 120Hz instead of its native 144Hz,

When i fixed that, colours, contrast and saturation improved greatly,

I don't know what refresh rate has to do with colours but anyway it's much more better now although it's still no match for phone's AMOLED display.

My only guess is that HDR was on in Windows settings and for some reason switched off when changing it to 144 Hz

 

[qubit]

TN technology has far inferior picture quality than AMOLED, but it doesn't suffer burn-in. This is the root cause of the difference you're seeing.

Careful calibration will improve the picture somewhat, but it will never match, or even challenge, AMOLED.

 

[YahyaMegahed]

I had IPS and VA monitors but i replaced both for this TN because it's faster (i don't mean refresh rate) in pixel response than either VA and IPS.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

I had IPS and VA monitors but i replaced both for this TN because it's faster (i don't mean refresh rate) in pixel response than either VA and IPS.

Well there's your problem. IPS and VA is slower than TN but unless you're a pro gamer that actually notices the pixel response, IPS is the best buy.

I excluded VA cause it has it's the slowest with unanimously recognised visible ghosting.

 

[Mister300]

AMOLED/ OLEDS such as on you phone have a green bias and are not adjustable like on a monitor. I would buy a Spyder and calibrate your PC monitor. I use this to eyeball it before calibration. This is a 100K professional telecine setup. Set B and C until banding is not visible, looks great on my LG VA panel.

 

[Bomby569]

AMOLED vs TN!

TN has no chance to match AMOLED. Lost cause.

 

[YahyaMegahed]

Well there's your problem. IPS and VA is slower than TN but unless you're a pro gamer that actually notices the pixel response, IPS is the best buy.

I excluded VA cause it has it's the slowest with unanimously recognised visible ghosting.

IPS specially has great colours, much wider view angels and no colour shift but its contrast is average and somewhat slower,
Although i'm not a gamer at all but i seek pixel response for the sake of fast moving scenes in action movies,
I feel VA and IPS can't handle fast moving objects well.
And i'm on a limited budget to get a HI-END IPS.

AMOLED vs TN!

TN has no chance to match AMOLED. Lost cause.

What about AMOLED vs IPS?

 

[qubit]

What about AMOLED vs IPS?

It's way better than that, too. It's currently the best display technology for picture quality by far. Have a Google and you'll see.

Burn-in is the issue though and displaying a Windows desktop really exacerbates the problem.

 

[Bomby569]

Only AMOLED will look as vivid and well defined as you put it as AMOLED. But IPS is pretty good. It's a question of money and what you want. But be aware there are trade offs with almost all types of display, there is no such thing as a display to rule them all. Considering you want low response time.

 

[YahyaMegahed]

Also pixel density is way lower on PC ~100 or so vs >400 for phones also contributing to pixlated images, i think.

 

[qubit]

Also pixel density is way lower on PC ~100 or so vs >400 for phones also contributing to pixlated images, i think.

No, that's not an issue as they're made at the same resolutions as LCD displays. Theyre Normally 4K panels at that, too.

 

[YahyaMegahed]

Yes, same resolution but on a much larger screen.
Imagine FHD on 60" TV !

I think for me it's best to get FHD IPS 1ms 144Hz wide gamut monitor,
But it's only available if i could return my current monitor under warranty.

 

[Bomby569]

Make a list of characteristics you want and decide what you want it for, and research strong and weak points of each technology. Then make a choice.

 

[YahyaMegahed]

I started that but here there are limited choices to pick from, it's not USA.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

Idk what to tell you bud. Action movies are among the worse medium to judge the difference between panel types. Have you seen modern action movies lately? Frequent cuts between random 1-2 second scenes (popularised by Bourne trilogy no less) makes fight scenes impact-less at best, boring at worst. Not to mention movies are still 24fps for a supposed film-maker's artistic vision.

Only Hong Kong action flicks and recently "Everything Everywhere All At Once" do otherwise.

And you're complaining about IPS contrast lol. TN colors are ugly AND most if not all TN contrast ratio is above 700:1, while IPS contrast ratio starts above 1000:1.

If action movies is your benchmark just think why TV (where people watch action movies and live action sports) makers categorically ditched TN panel decades ago?

 

[lowrider_05]

If you mostly watch movies on your PC, then i can only suggest getting an 42" OLED TV Like the LG c2... These are the best to watch anything movie related. And burn in is Not that big a risk on the newer ones.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I want to know is it a problem with the PC monitor or it's just because this monitor is TN while Phones' is AMOLED?

Not "just because" but surely that is a big part of it. As others have noted, AMOLED is a superior display technology. But there are other variables here that may be influencing the image quality. To really compare, you would need to run the displays from the same source and I am not aware of any way you can output the video signal from a phone to run a computer monitor - or put a computer's display on a phone screen - at least directly.

Also, your thread topic mentions "calibrate". That word actually has a great deal of significance when it comes to display accuracy. There are professional monitor calibration tools used by professional photographers, for example, that are specifically designed to "calibrate" the display of monitors and TVs. These hardware tools ensure the "blue" sky and people's skin tones displayed on the monitor are the same "blue" and skin tones seen in real life AND the same blue and skin tones seen in the printout of that image.

I have actually used these to calibrate big screen TVs in home theater setups on several occasions for clients and for myself. And in EVERY case, the results were unsatisfactory. The calibrations worked and the colors were indeed very accurate. But the display just didn't look "natural". So in every case, the TVs were re-adjusted "by eye" until it looked right and pleasing to our imperfect human perceptions.

 

[qubit]

Imagine FHD on 60" TV !

I can go one better than that!

Costo several years ago, they had a massive 90 inch 1080p Panasonic TV on display, plasma I think. And yup, those pixels were huge and so wide apart. Heck, when I stuck my face right up against it, I could just about discern the RGB grid of each pixel! Absolute nerd heaven and I'd love to have it for the novelty*, but the screendoor effect was really obvious on it. Even from far away it was still kinda visible. I wonder how many returns Costco had of this model...

*Besides the cost, I'd have nowhere to put it, lol.

 

[Bill_Bright]

qubit points out why potential buyers should consider the distance from the TV they will be sitting in their living room BEFORE choosing a size and buying the TV.

I know I wanted a 65" OLED but when I did my homework, for my living room, a 55" was a better fit. And since buying it, I agree.

There are different formulas - some are subjective, some objective, some a balance between the two.

Samsung has a pretty good guide, IMO: How to Measure & Find the Perfect TV Size | Samsung UK

 

[YahyaMegahed]

Thank you all for interaction and replies, much appreciated,

I just want to emphasize that i'm not speaking about TVs but only monitor and the smallest of them 24" or 27" max,
You can say i'm addicted to movies especially fast action, hand to hand combat and scientific fiction,

What is important for me really is Wide colour gamut, accurate colours reproduction, deep blacks, even grey uniformity, fast response "no tearing, no ghosting, no blurring", G-Sync compatible and versatile stand "Tilt, Hight, Pivot, Swivel" at reasonable prices.

Any recommendations?