Mouse Stuttering while under medium - heavy loads. (Not really heavy at all).

[Mussels]

I've honestly never seen a PSU cause stuttering before.

Crazy, but congrats on fixing the issue!

 

[eidairaman1]

I've honestly never seen a PSU cause stuttering before.

Crazy, but congrats on fixing the issue!

Bad power can result in all kinds of abnormalities

 

[eidairaman1]

i have had 7 or so G502's over the past however long, & the most recent one i bought, i accidentally bought the wireless version. i figured it wasnt a big deal, since ive heard great things about logitech wireless , but i found it laggy & glitchy. ive never had issues with the wired versions, & once i switched off the wireless & plugged in the wire, it worked just as smooth as the past G502's ive had. since i have never used it in wireless mode, which is a pita, since i paid an extra 30% or so for the wireless tech.

disabling windows mouse 'accuracy' or whatever it is never a bad idea ime
hopefully that might help

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Whats new man

 

[Shrek]

As I recall USB 3 can make a real mess around 2.4 GHz

 

[Mussels]

As I recall USB 3 can make a real mess around 2.4 GHz

It's high speed transmission (like file copying to an external drive) that causes that - absolutely a real thing and a total issue if you have front 2.0 and 3.0 ports next to each other.

 

[Bryce]

Well.... I am back with more bad news. Turns out the PSU did not fix it. My computer likes to "fix" itself for a short period of time, before deciding it wants to lag again.

Recently, I have changed a few more parts in my computer to see if I could narrow down the problem, and I think I have.

Changes:

CPU: Intel I7-10700k -> Intel I7-11700k
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 1TB with 17000 hours -> Samsung 980 Pro NVME 1TB
PSU: EVGA SuperNova 750G -> EVGA 1000G2
Motherboard: MSI MPG Z490 Gaming Carbon Wifi -> Still the same
RAM: 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws 3000Mhz -> Still the same
Cooling: Custom Loop, always runs super cool

After a week or two without the lag issue happening, it has returned out of the blue. My PC was working fine last night, turned it on today (No changes made the night before to hardware/software), it is now stuttering about every 3 seconds or so.

I decided to put on a youtube video to see if it was my entire PC lagging, but the video ran fine in the background, as I moved my mouse in circles, and saw my mouse lagging.

I believe it is now something to do with ALL my usb ports on my motherboard. Every X seconds or so, all my usb ports have this stuttering, which is why it originally looked like just my mouse was lagging (proved the mouse theory wrong after I replaced my mouse).

I first got the idea it could be my USB ports because when I started lagging a few days back, I noticed my USB wireless headset would start to lose connection to my PC when I am like 1 meter from my PC. Today, after putting up a video on my screen and moving my mouse in circles, it proves something is up with my USB plugs. The lag seems to happen every 3-4 seconds exactly. I checked my Event Viewer, nothing is wrong in there.

You can see the lag in action here:

After typing all this, my computer stutter lagged for about 80% of it, and now, once again, seems to magically be working fine as I am about to hit post. I checked my USB ports with a flashlight, No hair, No bent pins, they look mint. It's weird because the issue comes and goes at random, with no indicators as to why. It just happens, or doesn't. Under light load, or heavy. Random. This is getting so frustrating!

Thinking the culprit might be my Motherboard now? I've replaced everything but RAM and my Mobo lmfao

 

[Franz]

That's the worst problem when it is intermittent you dont know if this was solved or not.

Your bios is update? Using beta version or update recently?

 

[Bryce]

That's the worst problem when it is intermittent you dont know if this was solved or not.

Your bios is update? Using beta version or update recently?

I updated my BIOS a week ago in order to use my 11th gen processor, and yeah I feel that relating to the intermittent issue. Can't tell if it's fixed or not, then the massive wave of disappointment sets in when it happens again after all these replacements.

 

[Shrek]

Are you still using a wireless mouse?

 

[Bryce]

Are you still using a wireless mouse?

Yes, but It's not related to just my wireless mouse, because my headset, and all other devices plugged in through USB either disconnect/lag as well. When the stutter happens, my headset gets static, disconnects on and off. I can walk away from my computer, tell immediately when it starts stuttering because of the sounds in my headset, then it goes back to normal and I can tell it's done stuttering.

 

[Franz]

I updated my BIOS a week ago in order to use my 11th gen processor, and yeah I feel that relating to the intermittent issue. Can't tell if it's fixed or not, then the massive wave of disappointment sets in when it happens again after all these replacements.

I know the feeling, my pc have some issues too and its frustating. I wish the pc parts was cheaper here to change all the pc

The motherboard still on warranty?

 

[Shrek]

Yes, but It's not related to just my wireless mouse, because my headset, and all other devices plugged in through USB either disconnect/lag as well. When the stutter happens, my headset gets static, disconnects on and off. I can walk away from my computer, tell immediately when it starts stuttering because of the sounds in my headset, then it goes back to normal and I can tell it's done stuttering.

Have you watched the Task Manager when this happens?

 

[Bryce]

The motherboard does still have warranty, I could RMA it, but after reading other issues on the Z490 series, I am thinking of jumping up to the Gigabyte Z590 Vision, as I have a Gigabyte 3080 Vision OC, I figured they'd match colors very nicely, and should work very well together.

I was considering RMA'ing the motherboard to get a fixed working one, then selling it to cover some of the costs of getting a Z590.

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Have you watched the Task Manager when this happens?

Yes, I've also watched HWMonitor, literally nothing out of the ordinary happens, from voltage to usage percentages. I could be using my computer with 3% CPU Usage, 5% GPU Usage, and the issue can still happen randomly.

Not OC'ing, just XMP profile is active, that's it.

 

[Franz]

The motherboard does still have warranty, I could RMA it, but after reading other issues on the Z490 series, I am thinking of jumping up to the Gigabyte Z590 Vision, as I have a Gigabyte 3080 Vision OC, I figured they'd match colors very nicely, and should very well together.

I was considering RMA'ing the motherboard to get a fixed working one, then selling it to cover some of the costs of getting a Z590.

GIGABYTE Z590 Vision G (LGA 1200/Intel Z590/ATX/3x M.2/PCIe 4.0/USB 3.2 Gen2X2 Type-C/2.5GbE LAN/Motherboard) : Amazon.ca: Electronics

GIGABYTE Z590 Vision G (LGA 1200/Intel Z590/ATX/3x M.2/PCIe 4.0/USB 3.2 Gen2X2 Type-C/2.5GbE LAN/Motherboard) : Amazon.ca: Electronics

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Yes, I've also watched HWMonitor, literally nothing out of the ordinary happens, from voltage to usage percentages. I could be using my computer with 3% CPU Usage, 5% GPU Usage, and the issue can still happen randomly.

Thats a good move, if you have a warranty just send it. If not I will recommend to disassembly those heatsinks and see if the thermal pad was dry and hardened.

One of my issue on my pc was the trash thermalpad on chipset heatsink, the vrm's are very good but in chipset the thermalpad was hardened like concrete and the sensor indicates the temp is ok

I returned for my old psu and the pc almost 100% it freezes sometimes but its clearly the psu, I need to unplug of wall 2x to pc power on again

 

[Bryce]

Thats a good move, if you have a warranty just send it. If not I will recommend to disassembly those heatsinks and see if the thermal pad was dry and hardened.

One of my issue on my pc was the trash thermalpad on chipset heatsink, the vrm's are very good but in chipset the thermalpad was hardened like concrete and the sensor indicates the temp is ok

I returned for my old psu and the pc almost 100% it freezes sometimes but its clearly the psu, I need to unplug of wall 2x to pc power on again

Yeah I I'll probably RMA it and get a new motherboard. I wonder if there are any White 11th gen compatible motherboards out there that have the custom-loop option for cooling.

I was originally looking at upgrading to 12th gen, but with Christmas coming around, I don't want to be tight on funds. This was the motherboard I was going to go with for the 12th gen upgrade, because it's mostly white, and has liquid cooling plugs as well that I could tie into my custom loop.

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[Franz]

Yeah I I'll probably RMA it and get a new motherboard. I wonder if there are any White 11th gen compatible motherboards out there that have the custom-loop option for cooling.

I was originally looking at upgrading to 12th gen, but with Christmas coming around, I don't want to be tight on funds. This was the motherboard I was going to go with for the 12th gen upgrade, because it's mostly white, and has liquid cooling plugs as well that I could tie into my custom loop.

ROG MAXIMUS Z690 FORMULA | ROG Maximus | Gaming motherboards｜ROG - Republic of Gamers｜ROG Global

ROG MAXIMUS Z690 FORMULA

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Such beauty. I wanted to upgrade to 12700k too but its a new platform I think it will be better in next generation, like first core i7 it was good and had some problems with memory but the second sandy bridge was legendary.

For the moment I think the 12700k is the better option so far

 

[Bryce]

Such beauty. I wanted to upgrade to 12700k too but its a new platform I think it will be better in next generation, like first core i7 it was good and had some problems with memory but the second sandy bridge was legendary.

For the moment I think the 12700k is the better option so far

Yeah, I wasn't too impressed with the temps of the 12 series as well. Staying on 11700k until those temps come down a bit with newer generations.

 

[Mussels]

Yes, but It's not related to just my wireless mouse, because my headset, and all other devices plugged in through USB either disconnect/lag as well. When the stutter happens, my headset gets static, disconnects on and off. I can walk away from my computer, tell immediately when it starts stuttering because of the sounds in my headset, then it goes back to normal and I can tell it's done stuttering.

Waaait a minute bro - you're getting a USB hub resetting, be it internal or not

An internal device you have is crashing, and resetting more than just itself when it comes back online. Ryzen did this with PCI-E 4.0 errors, especially with GPU riser cards

The other alternative is your "mish mash" of storage drives, mechanical drives can cause a stutter as they wake up from sleep states - you need to do a real isolation test here, and disconnect a lot of shit

Take out all mech drives, all USB devices (including internal ones like RGB fan controllers, lighting controllers etc - corsairs commander pro could do this) except mouse and keyboard, see what happens

You may find something in event viewer that helps narrow it down, too!

 

[Bryce]

Waaait a minute bro - you're getting a USB hub resetting, be it internal or not

An internal device you have is crashing, and resetting more than just itself when it comes back online. Ryzen did this with PCI-E 4.0 errors, especially with GPU riser cards

The other alternative is your "mish mash" of storage drives, mechanical drives can cause a stutter as they wake up from sleep states - you need to do a real isolation test here, and disconnect a lot of shit

Take out all mech drives, all USB devices (including internal ones like RGB fan controllers, lighting controllers etc - corsairs commander pro could do this) except mouse and keyboard, see what happens

You may find something in event viewer that helps narrow it down, too!

I'll try this out, my drive doesn't usually spin up until I access it in Explorer, I can tell because it takes a few seconds to spin up, else it seems to be always asleep. I think 90% of it's life has just been sleeping. I don't have programs installed on it, so it's not running the drive on the regular. Also, the lag happens even if the drive is asleep. Secondly, I tried unplugging all my devices but keyboard and mouse, and it kept happening every 3-4 seconds (stuttering). I was able to verify it's not the USB devices themselves. The USB's don't totally disconnect (I don't hear the Windows USB Plug in/out sounds), it's just USB devices begin to lag. I am using the Steelseries Arctis 7 Headphones. They required a 2.4G hub plugged in. It has extremely far range, I can literally walk into my back yard, and still be talking to friends in Discord, however, when the stutter happens, My range drops to nearly 1 meter, with a "popping/static" sound (normal when you lose connection with this head set) but the USB devices never totally disconnect/reconnect. A way to describe it, is its almost like my USB devices aren't getting the correct amount of power during these lag periods, but I am probably completely wrong. I am not using any riser cards for my GPU either. I'll try unplugging my backup drive and other SSD, and see how that works. I'll also unplug my Capture Card to see if it changes anything.

In terms of RGB controllers, I have none. My motherboard has a J_CORSAIR plug that allows me to plug in Corsair RGB things, so that is how my custom loop is being controlled.

Lastly, Event Viewer shows no errors from what I can tell. My computer was doing the stuttering today for the first 2 hours I used it, since then It hasn't lagged since, I've been gaming and working, no lag. It's completely intermittent

 

[eidairaman1]

Change mice totally, switch brands

Plug directly into motherboard

I'll try this out, my drive doesn't usually spin up until I access it in Explorer, I can tell because it takes a few seconds to spin up, else it seems to be always asleep. I think 90% of it's life has just been sleeping. I don't have programs installed on it, so it's not running the drive on the regular. Also, the lag happens even if the drive is asleep. Secondly, I tried unplugging all my devices but keyboard and mouse, and it kept happening every 3-4 seconds (stuttering). I was able to verify it's not the USB devices themselves. The USB's don't totally disconnect (I don't hear the Windows USB Plug in/out sounds), it's just USB devices begin to lag. I am using the Steelseries Arctis 7 Headphones. They required a 2.4G hub plugged in. It has extremely far range, I can literally walk into my back yard, and still be talking to friends in Discord, however, when the stutter happens, My range drops to nearly 1 meter, with a "popping/static" sound (normal when you lose connection with this head set) but the USB devices never totally disconnect/reconnect. A way to describe it, is its almost like my USB devices aren't getting the correct amount of power during these lag periods, but I am probably completely wrong. I am not using any riser cards for my GPU either. I'll try unplugging my backup drive and other SSD, and see how that works. I'll also unplug my Capture Card to see if it changes anything.

In terms of RGB controllers, I have none. My motherboard has a J_CORSAIR plug that allows me to plug in Corsair RGB things, so that is how my custom loop is being controlled.

Lastly, Event Viewer shows no errors from what I can tell. My computer was doing the stuttering today for the first 2 hours I used it, since then It hasn't lagged since, I've been gaming and working, no lag. It's completely intermittent

Do you use a hdd? If you do make sure to turn off auto defrag.

 

[Bryce]

Change mice totally, switch brands

Plug directly into motherboard


Do you use a hdd? If you do make sure to turn off auto defrag.

I did, I went from a logitech G305 to a Corsair Harpoon RGB. No change. Definitely not the mouse. It just started stuttering right now, No other drive is in use right now except for my C drive which is a brand new Samsung 980 Pro

 

[Mussels]

How many corsair devices are connected to that J_corsair plug? I know they have a low power limit, meant for 1 device only

USB uses 5V, so you want to remove 5V devices
Focus on wired. Use everything wired. You can't fight two battles at once in case they are seperate issues.
Cord up the mouse, and use speakers or even no audio at all.
disconnect anything from the mobo that uses 5V, RGB devices, front panel USB 2.0 and 3.0, etc.

Any one faulty device, could be causing errors on a bus and causing power issues, or port resets (remember: this plagued AMD for a while. Lots of knowledge came up during that, and many people actually had different causes for the same issue)

 

[erocker]

@Bryce Are you using Freesync by chance?

 

[Bryce]

How many corsair devices are connected to that J_corsair plug? I know they have a low power limit, meant for 1 device only

USB uses 5V, so you want to remove 5V devices
Focus on wired. Use everything wired. You can't fight two battles at once in case they are seperate issues.
Cord up the mouse, and use speakers or even no audio at all.
disconnect anything from the mobo that uses 5V, RGB devices, front panel USB 2.0 and 3.0, etc.

Any one faulty device, could be causing errors on a bus and causing power issues, or port resets (remember: this plagued AMD for a while. Lots of knowledge came up during that, and many people actually had different causes for the same issue)

I currently have 2 devices plugged into my JCorsair technically. My XC7 CPU block is plugged into a branch cable that comes from my XD5 Reservoir/pump, then my XD5 plugged into the J_Corsair plug. I will try what you mentioned tomorrow when I get up for work.

@Bryce Are you using Freesync by chance?

As for this... How would I check this? I have no clue.

 

[Mussels]

I currently have 2 devices plugged into my JCorsair technically. My XC7 CPU block is plugged into a branch cable that comes from my XD5 Reservoir/pump, then my XD5 plugged into the J_Corsair plug. I will try what you mentioned tomorrow when I get up for work.


As for this... How would I check this? I have no clue.

With a 3080, freesync would be in the Nvida control panel as Gsync compatible. Just untick the top box, and preferably restart the PC. (I've recently been testing it, and had to reboot for it to enable properly a few times)

Usually Freesync and Gsync meshing badly results in flickering brightness issues and not those huge gaps, but it's certainly not impossible.