Mouse Stuttering while under medium - heavy loads. (Not really heavy at all).

[Vayra86]

Yeah, the motherboard came with 2 long antennas, They are spread so 1 faces left, 1 faces right, pointed upwards. My modem is probably about 2 feet away.

Wired is the way to go.

Both for your ethernet and your mouse.

I know people will say 'but it should just work'... and it should, but it doesn't. Sooner or later, WIFI will screw things up, will add latency, and it certainly adds a less stable connection than a cable ever will. Consider that the vast majority of things are wireless now, and we're stacking technologies to make it all work. Also, motherboard antennae tend to be... sub par. Even just because there is a dozen other things that need to be shielded away in there.

Cable everything, and you can always safely rule out this hard to grasp cause. I've not had a single wireless device that was 100% problem free over its lifetime. It goes for everything even peripherals, if not especially, because todays' PCs already carry ever increasing latencies, and anything you want in realtime out of the internet adds even more.

You're also cutting out some processing to be done, a cabled connection is 'simpler'.

And if your modem is in arms reach... why would you even want wireless?

___________

OK, so I guess I need to read the whole thread PSU didn't fix.

I'd refrain from buying more parts. Rather, scale back to bare necessity.

1. Fresh OS install (a clean one)
2. Install one or two applications that used to produce stutter. Install only ONE browser and use defaults.
3. Set monitor to native refresh/res, no VRR. MAKE SURE YOU DONT GET STUCK IN DCH DRIVERS through windows Store. (are you on W10 or 11?)
4. Test with minimal peripherals connected to USB: Mouse / KB. Plug both into the rear (usually top) USB 2.0 slots of the mobo. Connect nothing else except monitor. Testing = your normal usage, so browser tabs open, etc.
5. Test a game.
6. Activate VRR. Test again (given the infrequent nature, I'd give it a day or two for each step)
7. Add one peripheral like the headset. Again, test.
8. Keep building back up until you run into trouble. This includes any non-default settings for video or audio, usb, and connectivity. Consider each one a possible cause and test accordingly.

_____
If you can't narrow it down like that I'd start looking at motherboard, but also and perhaps first storage. This begins with cabling. SATA cables can fail. Swap them around if you haven't got spares, especially the one connected to your OS drive. If storage access is unstable, these stutters and all associated issues are plausible. Been there, done that And that was also after swapping PSUs which didn't fix anything... go figure. Just going out with RMA for parts is a sure way to get into a lengthy process and get properly annoyed with Gigabyte. Postpone that as long as you can

 

[Bryce]

Wired is the way to go.

Both for your ethernet and your mouse.

I know people will say 'but it should just work'... and it should, but it doesn't. Sooner or later, WIFI will screw things up, will add latency, and it certainly adds a less stable connection than a cable ever will. Consider that the vast majority of things are wireless now, and we're stacking technologies to make it all work. Also, motherboard antennae tend to be... sub par. Even just because there is a dozen other things that need to be shielded away in there.

Cable everything, and you can always safely rule out this hard to grasp cause. I've not had a single wireless device that was 100% problem free over its lifetime. It goes for everything even peripherals, if not especially, because todays' PCs already carry ever increasing latencies, and anything you want in realtime out of the internet adds even more.

You're also cutting out some processing to be done, a cabled connection is 'simpler'.

And if your modem is in arms reach... why would you even want wireless?

___________

OK, so I guess I need to read the whole thread PSU didn't fix.

I'd refrain from buying more parts. Rather, scale back to bare necessity.

1. Fresh OS install (a clean one)
2. Install one or two applications that used to produce stutter. Install only ONE browser and use defaults.
3. Set monitor to native refresh/res, no VRR. MAKE SURE YOU DONT GET STUCK IN DCH DRIVERS through windows Store. (are you on W10 or 11?)
4. Test with minimal peripherals connected to USB: Mouse / KB. Plug both into the rear (usually top) USB 2.0 slots of the mobo. Connect nothing else except monitor. Testing = your normal usage, so browser tabs open, etc.
5. Test a game.
6. Activate VRR. Test again (given the infrequent nature, I'd give it a day or two for each step)
7. Add one peripheral like the headset. Again, test.
8. Keep building back up until you run into trouble. This includes any non-default settings for video or audio, usb, and connectivity. Consider each one a possible cause and test accordingly.

_____
If you can't narrow it down like that I'd start looking at motherboard, but also and perhaps first storage. This begins with cabling. SATA cables can fail. Swap them around if you haven't got spares, especially the one connected to your OS drive. If storage access is unstable, these stutters and all associated issues are plausible. Been there, done that And that was also after swapping PSUs which didn't fix anything... go figure. Just going out with RMA for parts is a sure way to get into a lengthy process and get properly annoyed with Gigabyte. Postpone that as long as you can

I am using wired, I have been using Ethernet since the day I got my PC. The only thing not wired, is my mouse.

I will try this process you have, though I've tried most of these steps. I haven't been RMA'ing any parts up until now. My PSU is brand new, decided to just buy a new one. The SSD is NVME PCIE 4 now, No sata cable. The processor is days old as well, decided to buy a new one. The only thing I was considering RMA'ing was the motherboard, because almost every diagnostic has shown me it's not software related. The only 2 things left to replace in my PC is Mobo and Ram. I am going to follow your process that you've listed, I will disconnect a few drives and more devices, but I am realllllly starting to point my finger at the mobo. I've even unseated 3/4 ram sticks, tested with 1 stick, verified it working fine, and rotated sticks. All my ram sticks appear to be functioning fine, however, with the duration of this problem, it's almost impossible for me to test if something was the cause or not. Sometimes I can run my computer for weeks before the problem magically re-appears and I just release a massive *sigh* thinking it was fixed. The issue appears super inconsistently. Thank you so much for the help. I'll report back with results.

 

[Vayra86]

I am using wired, I have been using Ethernet since the day I got my PC. The only thing not wired, is my mouse.

I will try this process you have, though I've tried most of these steps. I haven't been RMA'ing any parts up until now. My PSU is brand new, decided to just buy a new one. The SSD is NVME PCIE 4 now, No sata cable. The processor is days old as well, decided to buy a new one. The only thing I was considering RMA'ing was the motherboard, because almost every diagnostic has shown me it's not software related. The only 2 things left to replace in my PC is Mobo and Ram. I am going to follow your process that you've listed, I will disconnect a few drives and more devices, but I am realllllly starting to point my finger at the mobo. I've even unseated 3/4 ram sticks, tested with 1 stick, verified it working fine, and rotated sticks. All my ram sticks appear to be functioning fine, however, with the duration of this problem, it's almost impossible for me to test if something was the cause or not. Sometimes I can run my computer for weeks before the problem magically re-appears and I just release a massive *sigh* thinking it was fixed. The issue appears super inconsistently. Thank you so much for the help. I'll report back with results.

Damn. Thats a lot of best practices right there. In that case, I'll join you in the mobo being suspect. Hope you get to the bottom of it!

Have you monitored the CPU/GPU loads during such stutters? Not some miner doing a nasty once in a while?

 

[Bryce]

Damn. Thats a lot of best practices right there. In that case, I'll join you in the mobo being suspect. Hope you get to the bottom of it!

Have you monitored the CPU/GPU loads during such stutters? Not some miner doing a nasty once in a while?

I've never mined a day in my life, I do not like it at all. I program websites for a living, so I need my PC to last, and cannot risk a sudden outage that puts me out of work until I replace stuff. This is why I am so *nal about my temps. I push to keep my temps as low as possible, so my parts last years. My PC on average is about 28C while I work all day long. Perfect for me.

The GPU/CPU itself doesn't stutter, because when it happens, videos/games do not lag. Sometimes this stuttering will be happening with like 5% CPU Usage and 8% GPU Usage. Only my input devices. I managed to capture the stuttering in action here:

You can notice, the video I am playing in the background never lags. But my mouse, does, every 3 seconds, but it's not JUST my mouse. During this time, my headset was getting fuzzy/briefly losing connection in like 100ms intervals DURING the stuttering episodes.

Today, my PC hasn't stuttered once and I have a crap ton of things open to work on the website today. When I say it's random, I seem to have a bi-polar computer that decides if It's in a bad mood, or good one on the daily.

I am quite familiar with computers, I've been building my own PC's since early 2011, and have never experienced an issue like this. My first starter PC was on an I7-4790K, and I've made generation jumps yearly up until now, never had an issue like this. Something in my PC just feels "off" with this issue, and I am really leaning towards mobo because nothing else could explain it. My Audio Card never lags/has static/cuts out, so I do not think my Sound card could be failing causing USB resets. My capture card is in the same boat. If I plug in my SNES, I can play for hours and nothing odd happens with that device either. I've removed USB devices leaving just my mouse, no help. My other drives are almost ALWAYS asleep.

The one last thing I'll try before replacing my mobo is unplugging my old SSD. It's plugged in, but has no files on it. It has 17000 hours on it with 190TB written to it over the span of the 17000 hours. Perhaps it could be that, but assuming that doesn't work, definitely replacing the mobo.

I appreciate all the suggestions you've given, and they've helped to sort of pin-point the issue.

 

[MarsM4N]

Had something similar back in the days.

The 1st one was a bad 4pin molex splitter cable where the pins had no propper contact. Figured it out after noticing in ChristalDiskInfo(?) absurd high startup numbers of my HDD.
Did retighten the molex sockets & the problem was gone. Did notice the noise from my WD Green HDD (which had head parking), so I thought that must be a normal thing, lol.

The 2nd one was a dying SuperTalent Pico USB Stick. It did still work (at least for some time), but as soon as it was connected my PC was acting up with lags. It also got very hot to the end.

So I would check/replace HDD cables & disconnect all peripheral equipment & check if it makes any difference.

 

[Bryce]

Had something similar back in the days.

The 1st one was a bad 4pin molex splitter cable where the pins had no propper contact. Figured it out after noticing in ChristalDiskInfo(?) absurd high startup numbers of my HDD.
Did retighten the molex sockets & the problem was gone. Did notice the noise from my WD Green HDD (which had head parking), so I thought that must be a normal thing, lol.

The 2nd one was a dying SuperTalent Pico USB Stick. It did still work (at least for some time), but as soon as it was connected my PC was acting up with lags. It also got very hot to the end.

So I would check/replace HDD cables & disconnect all peripheral equipment & check if it makes any difference.

Sounds good, thanks for the tips

 

[eidairaman1]

I did, I went from a logitech G305 to a Corsair Harpoon RGB. No change. Definitely not the mouse. It just started stuttering right now, No other drive is in use right now except for my C drive which is a brand new Samsung 980 Pro

Keyboards,make sure no other usb/blue tooth devices are connected

 

[Mussels]

Wired is the way to go.

Both for your ethernet and your mouse.

I know people will say 'but it should just work'... and it should, but it doesn't. Sooner or later, WIFI will screw things up, will add latency, and it certainly adds a less stable connection than a cable ever will. Consider that the vast majority of things are wireless now, and we're stacking technologies to make it all work. Also, motherboard antennae tend to be... sub par. Even just because there is a dozen other things that need to be shielded away in there.

Cable everything, and you can always safely rule out this hard to grasp cause. I've not had a single wireless device that was 100% problem free over its lifetime. It goes for everything even peripherals, if not especially, because todays' PCs already carry ever increasing latencies, and anything you want in realtime out of the internet adds even more.

You're also cutting out some processing to be done, a cabled connection is 'simpler'.

And if your modem is in arms reach... why would you even want wireless?

___________

OK, so I guess I need to read the whole thread PSU didn't fix.

I'd refrain from buying more parts. Rather, scale back to bare necessity.

1. Fresh OS install (a clean one)
2. Install one or two applications that used to produce stutter. Install only ONE browser and use defaults.
3. Set monitor to native refresh/res, no VRR. MAKE SURE YOU DONT GET STUCK IN DCH DRIVERS through windows Store. (are you on W10 or 11?)
4. Test with minimal peripherals connected to USB: Mouse / KB. Plug both into the rear (usually top) USB 2.0 slots of the mobo. Connect nothing else except monitor. Testing = your normal usage, so browser tabs open, etc.
5. Test a game.
6. Activate VRR. Test again (given the infrequent nature, I'd give it a day or two for each step)
7. Add one peripheral like the headset. Again, test.
8. Keep building back up until you run into trouble. This includes any non-default settings for video or audio, usb, and connectivity. Consider each one a possible cause and test accordingly.

_____
If you can't narrow it down like that I'd start looking at motherboard, but also and perhaps first storage. This begins with cabling. SATA cables can fail. Swap them around if you haven't got spares, especially the one connected to your OS drive. If storage access is unstable, these stutters and all associated issues are plausible. Been there, done that And that was also after swapping PSUs which didn't fix anything... go figure. Just going out with RMA for parts is a sure way to get into a lengthy process and get properly annoyed with Gigabyte. Postpone that as long as you can

DCH drivers are a requirement now, they're fine to use.

The rest you've detailed a guide for most of the advice in the thread in one convenient guide, except for testing with different peripherals individuaully (mouse/keyboard but NOT both at once) and trying ports far apart

A USB 3.0 device can interfere with close 2.4GHz wireless, for example - so seperating can help. a short USB extension to get a wireless receiver near the mouse can be a game changer.

 

[Bryce]

DCH drivers are a requirement now, they're fine to use.

The rest you've detailed a guide for most of the advice in the thread in one convenient guide, except for testing with different peripherals individuaully (mouse/keyboard but NOT both at once) and trying ports far apart

A USB 3.0 device can interfere with close 2.4GHz wireless, for example - so seperating can help. a short USB extension to get a wireless receiver near the mouse can be a game changer.

Currently I actually do have a USB extension cable for my 2.4G dongle. It sits on my desk basically 20cm from my mouse at the moment.

 

[Mussels]

Currently I actually do have a USB extension cable for my 2.4G dongle. It sits on my desk basically 20cm from my mouse at the moment.

I mean dont forget the obvious and consider trying without that, too (and moving it around)

It's hard to say what could or couldnt cause this sort of thing... i've lost track of what mouse it was?

 

[Bryce]

I mean dont forget the obvious and consider trying without that, too (and moving it around)

It's hard to say what could or couldnt cause this sort of thing... i've lost track of what mouse it was?

I hardly think It has to do with my mouse at this point. My PC has been working fine for the past 4 days without any stuttering..... but give it 1 week. Or 2 weeks. Randomly, without any USB port changes, device changes, software installs, it will return randomly.

 

[Mussels]

Okay then, i'm out. Unsubbed from the thread.
If you want help, but won't provide information (or actively hide it) i can't provide that help

It's almost like external wireless interference is a thing, and certain technologies and devices are more prone to it.

 

[Bryce]

Okay then, i'm out. Unsubbed from the thread.
If you want help, but won't provide information (or actively hide it) i can't provide that help

It's almost like external wireless interference is a thing, and certain technologies and devices are more prone to it.

Thanks, appreciate all the help. I've provided more than enough information on this thread, you've repeated information that's been stated several times, and already eliminated from the equation. Mouse has already been replaced with a wired one/BT One, no change, but you'd see that if you re-read the thread.

Once again, massively appreciate the help you've given. I am going to take the motherboard route, as constantly changing mice has yielded no positive results.

 

[Tonytonytone]

 

[Midoz]

I hardly think It has to do with my mouse at this point. My PC has been working fine for the past 4 days without any stuttering..... but give it 1 week. Or 2 weeks. Randomly, without any USB port changes, device changes, software installs, it will return randomly.

Hello man have you fix the issue??? i have exactly the same issue. I experience random stutters. That's basically it. Most of the time I observe them during gaming session because the fps counter also drops for a fraction of a second. 5900x, b550-a, 3070. wirelss keyboard and mouse.

 

[micropage7]

btw have u tried using something like add on card
since you said, you've checked the system but it still the same

 

[TechHalp]

I hardly think It has to do with my mouse at this point. My PC has been working fine for the past 4 days without any stuttering..... but give it 1 week. Or 2 weeks. Randomly, without any USB port changes, device changes, software installs, it will return randomly.

Do me a favour my dude.

First, try using a different browser and see if the problem persists. I've noticed google chrome has had issues lately with stuttering, especially when scrolling down on youtube videos and things of that nature. It is a known issue with chrome but I don't know if they've got around to fixing it.

If that does not fix the issue, try turning off hardware accelerated gpu scheduling in the settings and see if that does anything.

This one is a longshot but you can turn your power profile to performance mode, drives to 'always on', and cpu to min 10% max 100%. The idea behind this is that power delivery is inconsistent or lagging behind so by having it ready to go at all times, lag/transient spikes are reduced.

Lastly, it is possible that your PSU is ok but the power delivery from the wall itself is inconsistent. Try switching the plug (just use an extension cord power bar if you don't want to move your whole setup) from a different plug (from a different breaker switch area). This is more typical for much older wiring, be sure to use a surge protected power bar as well!

 

[LuchoU]

I was experiencing the same, mouse cursor stuttering every now and then. It was not related to CPU utilization as it was occurring when CPU was not being utilized too much (by looking in task manager).

Things that didn't work for me:
- Switch to other USB ports (2.0 and 3.0)
- Clean the mouse sensor at the bottom.

Things that worked for me:
- When mouse cursor stuttering was occurring switching the mouse to wired mode (with USB cable) made stuttering disappear, so this was an indicator that some kind of interference was going on at that moment.

These were the steps I took to eliminate interference.

- Upgrading the mouse (from Logitech G Pro to G502 X) - This didn't solve the issue as I also had the mouse cursor stuttering every now and then, but I was able to discard that there was something wrong with the mouse, so this step was important.
- Using the wireless Logitech USB dongle very near to the mouse with the cable extension. Very near means 5-10 cm mouse to USB dongle.
- Disabling 2.4Ghz radio on my Asus router which is located 25-30 cms from my mouse

In my case there is some interference with the Wifi 2.4Ghz band, which could be possible as I understand Lightspeed works on that frequency. Plus is what Logitech recommends in the manual (Please see page 6: https://www.logitech.com/assets/66193/g502-x-artanis-web-qsg.pdf ). As it wasn't possible for me to relocate the router somewhere else I had to disable that band.

 

[dafiek]

Thanks, appreciate all the help. I've provided more than enough information on this thread, you've repeated information that's been stated several times, and already eliminated from the equation. Mouse has already been replaced with a wired one/BT One, no change, but you'd see that if you re-read the thread.

Once again, massively appreciate the help you've given. I am going to take the motherboard route, as constantly changing mice has yielded no positive results.

Many people tried to help you, can you at least give us an update? Did you fixed the problem?

 

[Shrek]

Not OC'ing, just XMP profile is active, that's it.

Isn't XMP overclocking?

 

[vitorek]

Many people tried to help you, can you at least give us an update? Did you fixed the problem?

I 2nd that Update please?