MY FIRST "GAMING PC"

[Vario]

On the other hand if you go with an intel and a discrete card like a 270/78xx you can run cheaper ram with no performance hit. 2x4gb 1333 @ 1.5v 9-9-9-27 is plenty.

 

[Dent1]

On the other hand if you go with an intel and a discrete card like a 270/78xx you can run cheaper ram with no performance hit. 2x4gb 1333 @ 1.5v 9-9-9-27 is plenty.

On the other hand if you go with an AMD and a discrete card like a 270/78xx you can run cheaper ram with no performance hit. 2x4gb 1333 @ 1.5v 9-9-9-27 is plenty as well.

 

[xpert7]

Keep in mind the OP's budget is only $700 USD, that is only about £425 GBP.

£425 v £1000. There is a big difference.

ah that stupid exchange rate.. mines alot more than he would need though

 

[xpert7]

No it is not, and the looks have nothing to do with hardware management. The estetics comes down to personal preference (I rather like it actually), and you are correct when you say we have to give clear advise. Which is why I'm saying Windows 8 is not more demanding than Windows 7. It just isn't. Windows 8 is even lighter than Windows 7 if Win7 has Aero Glass turned on.

In my opinion and everyone i talk to in the computing world none would choose windows 8 because of support issues, issues with hardware management ( granted this does depend on systems), antivirus mismatches leading to unstable protection and other factors.

If i had the choice and they still supported it i would be on XP still haha

 

[Pill Monster]

Boo! What a disaster.
We're talking about 2 or 3 percents difference in synthetic benchmarks and about 20 percent difference in price. I hardly doubt it's worth it even for a machine that uses system memory as VRAM, because I used to have one (AMD 785G), and all real-life apps used to run equally on both 2 x 1 GB (PC3-12800 CL10) and 2 GB (PC3-10600 CL9).

Running in 2 sticks is not the same as running in dual channel, also the price is no different and system memory performance should be even more important since it's used for the GPU in this case.

 

[Dent1]

Running in 2 sticks is not the same as running in dual channel, also the price is no different and system memory performance should be even more important since it's used for the GPU in this case.

Keep in mind Dual Channel doesn't double the bandwidth throughput, typically yield is only 0-10%. Dual channel is designed to increase efficiency by improving latency.

 

[mastrdrver]

Keep in mind Dual Channel doesn't double the bandwidth throughput, typically yield is only 0-10%. Dual channel is designed to increase efficiency by improving latency.

0-10% for CPU related tasks. That's not what my point is. Doubling bandwidth in GPU tasks my not double performance, but an increase in 40% would not be surprising. Just look at Kabini GPU performance to see how much constraint single channel is on GPU performance. While you can't extrapolate direct comparison to Richland and Kavari, you can still see the performance hit that single channel put on GPU performance.

 

[Constantine Yevseyev]

That system did not have the gpu power that current AMD APUs have, plus there are several reviews that show the more bandwidth you give AMD APUs the better the graphics performance becomes. Seeing as he wants to play games on this build, you're telling him to take a huge hit in performance. Not worth it.

In fact, according to results from Toms (here and here), you'd more then likely actually half your gaming performance going to single channel over dual channel. This is given since according to Tom's the percentage of performance increase is slightly less then the bandwidth increase (they get about 10% increase in game performance for about a 15% increase in bandwidth). Even going to something as dual channel 1600mhz ram (to save money) would have massive gains over the fastest single channel ram setup.

Going single channel ram over the slowest dual channel ram is bad advise.

Links you've provided have nothing to do with illustrating the difference in between single and dual channel performance. Reviewer just says "OK, let's check whether using top-tier memory helps iGPU or not, oh well it does". Point is?.. There are NO single channel products in that (first) article, while the second one is written upon only ONE product. At all.
Moreover, you've chosen two most CPU-intensive titles, for what reason? It's not representative IMO.
So prove your words or stop feeding this myth about dual channel advantage.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Speaking from the forensic standpoint and part of the computing society (have to give clear advise on the best) windows 7 is better at hardware management. Windows 8 is more about showmanship than usability.

We are all given the latest releases early and they do not work with modern games well.

Within a week of windows 8 i DBANed the drives and reloaded 7. Maybe when 9 comes ill change

You dont know what you are talking about.

 

[xpert7]

You dont know what you are talking about.

i stand by what i say. im not stopping anyone getting 8 just saying the issues it has

 

[TheMailMan78]

In my opinion and everyone i talk to in the computing world none would choose windows 8 because of support issues, issues with hardware management ( granted this does depend on systems), antivirus mismatches leading to unstable protection and other factors.

If i had the choice and they still supported it i would be on XP still haha

I'm sorry sir but you are incorrect. 8.1 is lighter, faster and far more secure than Windows 7.

 

[xpert7]

BTW, everyone pro windows 8 is on windows 8... k

I'm sorry sir but you are incorrect. 8.1 is lighter, faster and far more secure than Windows 7.

more secure? i am sorry but just no

 

[MxPhenom 216]

BTW, everyone pro windows 8 is on windows 8... k


more secure? i am sorry but just no

What an excellent observation................

 

[Frick]

more secure? i am sorry but just no

Apps in Metro mode are sandboxed. Smartscreen, which can be annoying but is more secure. Integrated AV. Memory and kernel witchcraft.

 

[xpert7]

yes in metro mode, not in desktop mode. to use the security you have to be self aware.

 

[TheMailMan78]

yes in metro mode, not in desktop mode. to use the security you have to be self aware.

It comes built in with an AV AND secure boot. Both of which Windows 7 does not have. Sorry but you are incorrect. Windows 8 out of the box is more secure.

 

[EpicShweetness]

I saw in the older post that APU will benefit for Higher memory frequency 1866MHz or higher. is that mean i have to overclock that memory, i never done the overclock before, is it not dangerous?will kill the my memory if i do that?or the processor too?

You have 1.5v and 1.65v RAM, avoid the 1.65v your memory controller runs at 1.5v and as such will default to a profile using said voltage. Also 2400MHZ is about the limit of use with current APU's you will see NO tangible benefits at a higher frequency. That said RAM with a clock of 2400MHZ is almost always going to be 1.65v, and the difference in performance between 2133MHZ is 5% maybe a little more. 2133MHZ is available in 1.5v as well as being cheaper, in some cases MUCH cheaper, then 2400MHZ.

 

[mastrdrver]

Links you've provided have nothing to do with illustrating the difference in between single and dual channel performance. Reviewer just says "OK, let's check whether using top-tier memory helps iGPU or not, oh well it does". Point is?.. There are NO single channel products in that (first) article, while the second one is written upon only ONE product. At all.
Moreover, you've chosen two most CPU-intensive titles, for what reason? It's not representative IMO.
So prove your words or stop feeding this myth about dual channel advantage.

They show an increase in bandwidth. Using dual channel instead of single channel will increase bandwidth. Thus it is logical that dual channel trumps single channel in every circumstance. There are a lot more then just the two titles linked in those articles and they prove that the GPU on the APUs love bandwidth with the more the better. These two titles would only be CPU limited if the test was done with a higher end GPU. In fact, the increase in graphic settings prove that they're not CPU bound but GPU bound otherwise an increase in graphic settings would produce the same results as the the lower settings.

Your argument is flawed all around and the only one feeding myths is you as you refuse to accept the obvious facts of that site or any other site as they all show the same results.

 

[TRWOV]

Tomorrow is Kaveri day.

 

[micropage7]

It comes built in with an AV AND secure boot. Both of which Windows 7 does not have. Sorry but you are incorrect. Windows 8 out of the box is more secure.

yeah, but m$ cant package it well. people get ouch when they see metro interface and quickly forgot about plus things of win 8

 

[mastrdrver]

To further put the nail in the coffin that single channel ram only incures a marginal GPU performance hit, when it comes to AMD APUs, I'll quote Anandtech from their initial Richland review (article link):

Without getting into the details, relevant to testing is that the GX60 actually ships with only one DIMM channel populated. While the CPU isn't heavily affected by operating in single-channel mode, the IGP takes a nearly 50% hit to performance virtually across the board.

 

[Constantine Yevseyev]

They show an increase in bandwidth. Using dual channel instead of single channel will increase bandwidth. Thus it is logical that dual channel trumps single channel in every circumstance. There are a lot more then just the two titles linked in those articles and they prove that the GPU on the APUs love bandwidth with the more the better. These two titles would only be CPU limited if the test was done with a higher end GPU. In fact, the increase in graphic settings prove that they're not CPU bound but GPU bound otherwise an increase in graphic settings would produce the same results as the the lower settings.

Your argument is flawed all around and the only one feeding myths is you as you refuse to accept the obvious facts of that site or any other site as they all show the same results.

If it's so obvious, then post a comparison screenshot w/ benchmark or real-life app results. Single Channel vs. Dual Channel. Do it.

 

[Hood]

Tomorrow is Kaveri day.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's excited about this launch, which is pretty strange since I'm an Intel guy for years now. But I recently built an APU system (in my system specs), for no reason except curiosity and an itch to build something different. So now I'm dying to see how Kaveri will perform with some fast RAM and a healthy overclock, even though I already sold the system to a friend. I built it with an FM2+ board, of course, and he's already decided to get an A10-7850K next payday! So now I get to see firsthand what it will do, and it's on his dime!

 

[Dent1]

They show an increase in bandwidth. Using dual channel instead of single channel will increase bandwidth. Thus it is logical that dual channel trumps single channel in every circumstance. There are a lot more then just the two titles linked in those articles and they prove that the GPU on the APUs love bandwidth with the more the better. These two titles would only be CPU limited if the test was done with a higher end GPU. In fact, the increase in graphic settings prove that they're not CPU bound but GPU bound otherwise an increase in graphic settings would produce the same results as the the lower settings.

Your argument is flawed all around and the only one feeding myths is you as you refuse to accept the obvious facts of that site or any other site as they all show the same results.

The original links you show indicate that higher memory frequencies will improves APU performance. This is common sense.

The issue is whether dual channel improves APU performance? Why not stop at high clocked single channel module.

 

[jcgeny]

Thank you for all advice, critics and suggestion for my first build, i will still hold my money until official Kaveri benchmark is out and reviewed(from Guru3d, Hexus, Kitguru, and many others). If turn out to be what i expected or better, i will buy it without second thought. If it worse i will think a better alternative like many of you suggest

Thanks Again.

Good day and good morning.

i am not sure if all his story was "true" , a guy with 700 $ that does so much " la fine bouche" can not be real ... when will he be back with a photo of "his first pc" ? ....