Need guidance to setup own ISP in village..

[michael]

Hi Guys,

If I wish to setup own ISP in village, what else I would require to do that?

What is cascading Server? What all I would need? I would like to setup own Cat 5/6 driven Internet Service in my village.

Please advise.

Thanks
michael

 

[Frick]

Uhh. So. Uh. Yeah. What exactly do you want to do again? But in short, these things:

1. Connections to whatever it is that makes up the infrastructure there. Probably expensive.
2. Switches, expensive switches
3. Routers, expensive routers (depending on exactly it is you want to do)
4. Mountains of money
5. Depending on the rules in the area, massive paperwork to be done
6. Some more money


Or is it simply a question of sharing a few connections among others? That's easier.

EDIT: And yes, I'm well aware of michaels post history.

 

[Aquinus]

If I wish to setup own ISP in village, what else I would require to do that?

Money, time, and a business with subordinates. You're not doing this in your free time with money laying around.

 

[Bill_Bright]

You really need to be more specific. As the above folks are indicating, but cannot emphasis enough, it costs a LOT of money to set up an ISP. Money, time, equipment, infrastructure access (to connect your ISP to the Internet backbone), experts, facilities, overhead expenses (utilities, insurance, training, etc.), and more money to pay the bills each month.

How many people in this village will need access? Or more accurately, how many nodes (connected devices)? How big (square miles or distances across) is the village? Note the maximum length for any Cat-6 cable run is 100 meters.

If you are just trying to share your own Internet connection, it will be easier to just set up a wireless "hotspot". But, you need to check your service agreement with your ISP to see if that is allowed. Many specify your contract allows only for those in your household, and not for any commercial purposes.

And remember, Google is your friend; What is a cascading server?

 

[Kursah]

Here read this, great article and community based.

http://arstechnica.com/information-...neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/

 

[Bill_Bright]

Interesting read, Kursah. Bookmarked.

As noted in that article, it cost $25,000 to get this network going, including $11,000 up front to establish the microwave link and $900/month to keep it. Not cheap but if everyone works together, it will work.

The article sure is down on CenturyLink, but it seems they deserve it.

 

[Frick]

As noted in that article, it cost $25,000 to get this network going, including $11,000 up front to establish the microwave link and $900/month to keep it. Not cheap but if everyone works together, it will work.

Not to mention they could hook it up to a tower in Seattle. It depends on where this dude lives, but afaik India's not great on internet, at least not outside the cities. @de.das.dude maybe knows more about this (it might not matter, but now I got curious).

 

[remixedcat]

Not to mention the peering agreements and interconnects. Those are hard to negotiate. I've done that thing myself. I've had to deal with a couple backbones myself for a client. If you don't have proper peering in place kiss performance bye-bye. CL,ATT,Navisite and Timewarner are the hardest to negotiate with and often won't even. L3/Zayo-abovenet/HE/TWTelcom(not to be confused w timewarner) are the better ones to inter-conn with. The cheaper inter-conn rates are with HE and Zayo. Verizon can be either or depending on market areas. ATT is a joke and don't even bother setting this whole she-bang up if they are your only option they will up percentile you into oblivion. A consulting client of mine relocated to get away from them. Cogent is cheap, cheap, cheap and is very nice too, but can be choked sometimes.

Note: This is from a hosting industry consultant's PoV. Been in the industry since 2003 so...

 

[silentbogo]

The hardest thing is not building, but managing the network. I'm from suburbs and my neighbor is a small-scale ISP with ~2000 clients. The network started as a little community project, because most "respectable" ISPs in Ukraine either do not consider expanding into areas with low housing density, or ask way too much money for both connection and monthly service.

Initially we had a 100Mbit connection from a regional privately owned ISP, and started with a Core2Duo server and a dozen consumer-grade 4-port 100MBit switches. The network was a mess, but 30 houses on our street had high-speed internet =)

Now it's a much more sophisticated mess of GPON network with some copper branching(mostly in apartment buildings). The incoming dual 10GBit/s connection is relatively expensive, but it is much cheaper than it is other countries.
Fiber optics is so cool and cheap, that we only have 1 dual-xeon server, 3 OLTs, about 10 ONUs and media transceivers, and 30 or so used DES-3200-xx switches that we bought from an out-of-business datacenter, which is still a lot in terms of expenses, but very cheap considering our current size (2000+ clients across the city, plus some small businesses)

 

[mroofie]

The hardest thing is not building, but managing the network. I'm from suburbs and my neighbor is a small-scale ISP with ~2000 clients. The network started as a little community project, because most "respectable" ISPs in Ukraine either do not consider expanding into areas with low housing density, or ask way too much money for both connection and monthly service.

Initially we had a 100Mbit connection from a regional privately owned ISP, and started with a Core2Duo server and a dozen consumer-grade 4-port 100MBit switches. The network was a mess, but 30 houses on our street had high-speed internet =)

Now it's a much more sophisticated mess of GPON network with some copper branching(mostly in apartment buildings). The incoming dual 10GBit/s connection is relatively expensive, but it is much cheaper than it is other countries.
Fiber optics is so cool and cheap, that we only have 1 dual-xeon server, 3 OLTs, about 10 ONUs and media transceivers, and 30 or so used DES-3200-xx switches that we bought from an out-of-business datacenter, which is still a lot in terms of expenses, but very cheap considering our current size (2000+ clients across the city, plus some small businesses)

You make it sound so easy

 

[remixedcat]

I used to have a contact at infinera but he don't work there anymore They can hook you up with ATNs and DTNs...

 

[silentbogo]

You make it sound so easy

Well, it is not super-hard, but not that easy either. We had quite a few kinks to work out, like QoS and workload balancing, but most of the hard brainwork is done by a part-time sysadmin from across the country.
The rest is basically "monkey-work" of putting the box there, plugging a few cables here and it kinda works. Configuring managed switches is a whole another story, though. None of us had any experience in the field of computer networking, so we had to spend days with 500-page long operational manuals just to make it work.

I remember once I've been trying to re-configure multicast settings on the main switch, because we just got an IPTV broadcast license and rushed to try it out as fast as we can. The web-interface was non-accessible because our admin blocked that port in firewall settings for the entire virtual network (so you could access control panel only from within the service subnet), so I had to use remote console over telnet instead (because he forgot to block it ). I've accidentally messed something up, so the system needed a hard reset and everyone lost their connection to the outside world
You won't believe how much panic can 20 minutes without internet cause Crying college kids, angry housewives, civilization on the brink of collapse!!!

 

[de.das.dude]

Since you are in india, you can look around if there is already a franchise in that village.
Most places the routers and links and cabling is maintained by franchises who will leash out to ISP to run their network this is cheaper either way. They collect a small fee along with monthly internet charges directly from customers.

But if your village is remote, then the kilometers of optic you have to lay will cost you too much money and wont be worthwhile. You may look into partnerships with telecom giants who can provide a good satellite uplink, but i doubt they will bother, because they would have done it themselves other wise.

 

[mroofie]

Well, it is not super-hard, but not that easy either. We had quite a few kinks to work out, like QoS and workload balancing, but most of the hard brainwork is done by a part-time sysadmin from across the country.
The rest is basically "monkey-work" of putting the box there, plugging a few cables here and it kinda works. Configuring managed switches is a whole another story, though. None of us had any experience in the field of computer networking, so we had to spend days with 500-page long operational manuals just to make it work.

I remember once I've been trying to re-configure multicast settings on the main switch, because we just got an IPTV broadcast license and rushed to try it out as fast as we can. The web-interface was non-accessible because our admin blocked that port in firewall settings for the entire virtual network (so you could access control panel only from within the service subnet), so I had to use remote console over telnet instead (because he forgot to block it ). I've accidentally messed something up, so the system needed a hard reset and everyone lost their connection to the outside world
You won't believe how much panic can 20 minutes without internet cause Crying college kids, angry housewives, civilization on the brink of collapse!!!

lol first world problems

 

[michael]

. You may look into partnerships with telecom giants who can provide a good satellite uplink, but i doubt they will bother, because they would have done it themselves other wise.

I have Internet coming to my village only through Telephone wire. from BSNL , most people use internet on mobile like 1GB pack at the most, no one has Cat cable Internet.

 

[de.das.dude]

I have Internet coming to my village only through Telephone wire. from BSNL , most people use internet on mobile like 1GB pack at the most, no one has Cat cable Internet.

Then the first thing you need to do is run a optical fibre cable all the way from the nearest place you can get a WAN network.

 

[michael]

I have read everybody's comments here, each line, one thing is now reconfirmed that this going to be expensive. I also asked one of my friend who runs the same Internet business in city, he said me that I will have to pay say 25k to company get bandwidth and then resell that bandwidth to others for 40k to 45k. I will go step by step and check where exactly I get stuck or I kind of can't afford it.
Thanks for now!

 

[de.das.dude]

I have read everybody's comments here, each line, one thing is now reconfirmed that this going to be expensive. I also asked one of my friend who runs the same Internet business in city, he said me that I will have to pay say 25k to company get bandwidth and then resell that bandwidth to others for 40k to 45k. I will go step by step and check where exactly I get stuck or I kind of can't afford it.
Thanks for now!

Oh i would also like to mention since yours is a remote place.... be careful of cable theft. Many thieves will cut down optical fibre hoping to find copper in side.