Need help with 3600 cpu idling at high voltage

[birdie]

First do not compare Intel and AMD CPUs, its invalid. Second, just give us the details and a identical screenshot of your system and the extensive details about CPU/SOC/DRAM and PowerManagement BIOS settings and Win10 power plan used (and deeper settings of it) and then we can discuss if anything is broken or not. Idling at 38W avg of course is not the lowest these CPUs can do, but that depends on a lot of things. So do not assume things so easily and without specifics...

Since when have watts become invalid? Are you a fan of AMD while not being a fan of common sense and physics?

Ryzen 3000 CPUs are known for their quite immodest idle power consumption due to the IO module for which AMD couldn't quite solve idle power states. It's common knowledge and many reviewers have noticed that. Again, I'm not a fan of either company but current Intel CPUs are miles better than AMD one's in terms of idle power states.

Here, take this, 9900K idles at ... 3.8W (CPU Package Power):

 

[thesmokingman]

Since when have watts become invalid? Are you a fan of AMD while not being a fan of common sense and physics?

Ryzen 3000 CPUs are known for their quite immodest idle power consumption due to the IO module for which AMD couldn't quite solve idle power states. It's common knowledge and many reviewers have noticed that. Again, I'm not a fan of either company but current Intel CPUs are miles better than AMD one's in terms of idle power states.

Here, take this, 9900K idles at ... 3.8W (CPU Package Power):

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That shit doesn't matter and is besides the point.

 

[birdie]

That shit doesn't matter and is besides the point.

I didn't know pointing out serious issues is called what you've just called it. Also, I'm not sure how it's besides the point. Perhaps I should leave this discussion because I'm not welcome here.

 

[thesmokingman]

I didn't know pointing out serious issues is called what you've just called it. Also, I'm not sure how it's besides the point. Perhaps I should leave this discussion because I'm not welcome here.

You're fishing.

 

[Xzibit]

Since when have watts become invalid? Are you a fan of AMD while not being a fan of common sense and physics?

Ryzen 3000 CPUs are known for their quite immodest idle power consumption due to the IO module for which AMD couldn't quite solve idle power states. It's common knowledge and many reviewers have noticed that. Again, I'm not a fan of either company but current Intel CPUs are miles better than AMD one's in terms of idle power states.

Here, take this, 9900K idles at ... 3.8W (CPU Package Power):

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So you loaded 5-6 threads and were hitting 71C ? ouch!!

 

[Zach_01]

Since when have watts become invalid? Are you a fan of AMD while not being a fan of common sense and physics?

Ryzen 3000 CPUs are known for their quite immodest idle power consumption due to the IO module for which AMD couldn't quite solve idle power states. It's common knowledge and many reviewers have noticed that. Again, I'm not a fan of either company but current Intel CPUs are miles better than AMD one's in terms of idle power states.

Here, take this, 9900K idles at ... 3.8W (CPU Package Power):

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Still you do not say anything about that 3700 idling at 16W... Settings? BIOS CPU and power settings? Win10 Power plan settings? Other win settings? How many systray apps running?
Im talking about different CPU (Intel/AMD) tech and engineer and you are talking about watts. If that is invalid... Do not compare apples and oranges.

You are here throwing numbers without anything other than your miles better 9900K. That still runs hotter than most ZEN2...
35C on 9W
47C on 25W
70C on 75W
I wonder whats the temp on the 160+W power package the 9900K is hitting...

So you loaded 5-6 threads and were hitting 71C ? ouch!!

Yes... This is what superior CPUs look like...

 

[moproblems99]

Both of my zens idled with high voltage temps. Pretty much everyone else has said the same thing. I shrugged my shoulders and moves on to things that mattered.... performance.

 

[Deleted member 193706]

I didn't know pointing out serious issues is called what you've just called it. Also, I'm not sure how it's besides the point. Perhaps I should leave this discussion because I'm not welcome here.

Why you posting in here? looking at your post history you try to discredit AMD at every chance you have whilst failing miserably, your poll post say's it all with the reception it's received. OK you're an Intel fan, be happy with that, go home and watch your superior pr0n on your superior Intel chip you have no facts to make though and you're looking a little bit foolish and biased, fanboyes'q.

no system specs listed either, surprised much???

 

[Waldorf]

@birdie
show what the whole pc pulls on the socket with something like wattmeter and i will have no problem.

at "idle" load like sitting at the desktop/surfing etc, my 3600/16gb ddr4 3600 uses as much power as my 3770 and 32gb ddr3 2133 did.
yet i have 50% more cores.
since it didnt increase my overall consumption, i dont care if the package pulls 25w.
then again, i rather force staying at low clocks cont
vs deeper sleep on cores/chip but allowing higher boost, which most likely drop that a bit more.

not even talking about the fact that i rather give up low load efficiency, if it means much lower draw under high load.
i turn my pc on to do stuff with it, not to let it sit on idle and waste energy for nothing, well except maybe producing heat.

 

[Deleted member 193706]

@birdie
show what the whole pc pulls on the socket with something like wattmeter and i will have no problem.

at "idle" load like sitting at the desktop/surfing etc, my 3600/16gb ddr4 3600 uses as much power as my 3770 and 32gb ddr3 2133 did.
yet i have 50% more cores.
since it didnt increase my overall consumption, i dont care if the package pulls 25w.

Look at his history, he is baiting you clear and simple, I wouldn't waste my breathe honestly...

 

[thesmokingman]

Both of my zens idled with high voltage temps. Pretty much everyone else has said the same thing. I shrugged my shoulders and moves on to things that mattered.... performance.

I would suggest you read the links below. And regarding the high voltage reading, you're looking at it the wrong way. High voltage with low current, ie. high voltage at idle doesn't have any effect. And in all actuality we're looking at clocks incorrectly with MOST monitoring apps. What you should be referencing the high idle voltage is against effective clock, not discrete clocks. Discrete clocks on Ryzen are almost meaningless but it's long been the standard of how we read clockspeed.

Re: voltage reading

Reports of Ryzen 3000 High Idle Voltage Exaggerated, a Case of the "Observer Effect"

With AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen processors finally falling into the hands of PC enthusiasts, many early-adopters are taking to tech communities such as ours, to share their experiences with others. A trend appears to be emerging of users reporting higher-than-usual voltages for these processors...

www.techpowerup.com

Re: effective clocks

FEATURE - Effective clock vs instant (discrete) clock

It has become a common practice for several years to report instant (discrete) clock values for CPUs. This method is based on knowledge of the actual bus clock (BCLK) and sampling of core ratios at specific time points. The resulting clock is then a simple result of ratio * BCLK. Such approach...

www.hwinfo.com

 

[Waldorf]

@r9370
no worries, nothing better to do rn anyway

 

[moproblems99]

I would suggest you read the links below. And regarding the high voltage reading, you're looking at it the wrong way. High voltage with low current, ie. high voltage at idle doesn't have any effect. And in all actuality we're looking at clocks incorrectly with MOST monitoring apps. What you should be referencing the high idle voltage is against effective clock, not discrete clocks. Discrete clocks on Ryzen are almost meaningless but it's long been the standard of how we read clockspeed.

Re: voltage reading

Reports of Ryzen 3000 High Idle Voltage Exaggerated, a Case of the "Observer Effect"

With AMD's 3rd generation Ryzen processors finally falling into the hands of PC enthusiasts, many early-adopters are taking to tech communities such as ours, to share their experiences with others. A trend appears to be emerging of users reporting higher-than-usual voltages for these processors...

www.techpowerup.com

Re: effective clocks

FEATURE - Effective clock vs instant (discrete) clock

It has become a common practice for several years to report instant (discrete) clock values for CPUs. This method is based on knowledge of the actual bus clock (BCLK) and sampling of core ratios at specific time points. The resulting clock is then a simple result of ratio * BCLK. Such approach...

www.hwinfo.com

First, definitely some typos in my other post. Second, I mean, it sat not doing anything and had high voltage. It is what it is. Regardless of clocks.

 

[thesmokingman]

First, definitely some typos in my other post. Second, I mean, it sat not doing anything and had high voltage. It is what it is. Regardless of clocks.

Your reply really makes me scratch my head.

 

[sargetun]

I've done some heavy 4k gaming while streaming for the last few days since switching the plan over, voltage still seems to act weird but beyond that my performance is as expected and quite acceptional. I also got a reply from amd dev on reddit informing me that a good few of the monitoring software doesnt seem to report correctly, for now im assuming im fine, my temps are fine atleast and i have no issues now besides crashes in game seldomly, i think thats just amd drivers tho

 

[Zach_01]

I've done some heavy 4k gaming while streaming for the last few days since switching the plan over, voltage still seems to act weird but beyond that my performance is as expected and quite acceptional. I also got a reply from amd dev on reddit informing me that a good few of the monitoring software doesnt seem to report correctly, for now im assuming im fine, my temps are fine atleast and i have no issues now besides crashes in game seldomly, i think thats just amd drivers tho

Can you give us all the specs of the system and settings in BIOS?
And what do you mean, voltage act weird?

 

[Kapone33]

This is why I OC my Ryzen CPUs. With my 1920x at stock I would notice that the voltage would go from 1.45 to .998. I used the principle that I use with all Ryzen CPUs. That is that the CPU should be able to OC to -100mhz of it's boost clock on all cores. I have my 1920x running at 4.1 GHZ @ 1.25700 volts and it is rock solid.

 

[Waldorf]

except 1xxx isnt the same as 3xxx series cpu.