New Fractal North / Intel build

[tabascosauz]

AIO mounting contact is incredibly light weight compared to a big air cooler. And I’ve never had pin issues. Ever. In 20 years.

There are plenty of AIO/water accounts of the issue. Without contact frame, the next best bet is to have a gigantic metal backplate like some cooler manufacturers/waterblock companies use. I recall seeing lots of skimpy AIO bundled backplates.

And in case you haven't noticed, contact frame is also a new thing because there hasn't been a socket shaped like and ILM structurally weak as LGA1700 in 20 years............

Why must you be so combative? You asked for thoughts on a new build, and [some] people are putting in their 2c to help you out

 

[Bobaganoosh]

The be quiet 1200W Straight Power is platinum and a really good bang/buck. I couldn't find a better option, so it's what I just put in my machine this year.

Your aio looks good. Other good options are the newer 360 from deep cool and the arctic liquid freezer ii. Hard to beat those thicc boys.

I think outside benchmarks, you'll find little improvement of living on the hairy edge of memory stability, but that's your call. I would just recommend doing your tuning on a sacrificial windows install because memory instability derived hard drive corruption is not a good time. You get stable on a temporary solution, then try to carry that over to your primary.

 

[remekra]

From what I’ve read the jury is still out on contact frames. Do you know of a positive review or proof? Yes they are cheap enough it’s hard to argue adding one.


At 4K it’s a fact. Sorry bro. Good luck living the fanboy life. Meanwhile I’ll enjoy the daily responsiveness and 20%+ performance gain in all other computing, all day every day. I’ve owned plenty of AMD flavors over the years. They are struggling to stay relevant at half the process node and while 3D vcache is a neat innovation they are not and will always be laying catch up.

Thanks, had a good laugh.

 

[fusseli]

There are plenty of AIO/water accounts of the issue. Without contact frame, the next best bet is to have a gigantic metal backplate like some cooler manufacturers/waterblock companies use. I recall seeing lots of skimpy AIO bundled backplates.

And in case you haven't noticed, contact frame is also a new thing because there hasn't been a socket shaped like and ILM structurally weak as LGA1700 in 20 years............

Why must you be so combative? You asked for thoughts on a new build, and [some] people are putting in their 2c to help you out

Not combative whatsoever! Thanks for the inputs! Grrrrr

The be quiet 1200W Straight Power is platinum and a really good bang/buck. I couldn't find a better option, so it's what I just put in my machine this year.

Your aio looks good. Other good options are the newer 360 from deep cool and the arctic liquid freezer ii. Hard to beat those thicc boys.

I think outside benchmarks, you'll find little improvement of living on the hairy edge of memory stability, but that's your call. I would just recommend doing your tuning on a sacrificial windows install because memory instability derived hard drive corruption is not a good time. You get stable on a temporary solution, then try to carry that over to your primary.

Yeah I have a dark power 13 on my 13900ks at work and have been impressed with it. So that's what pushed me to be quiet! for this go around. Then in another thread there is the psu tier list, and straight power 12 and above is tier 1.

Thanks, had a good laugh.

That's the spirit!

I would suggest going with something ATX 3.0, PCIE5, for your PSU. If bequiet! Is your brand of choice the 13 series is where you will find the updated ATX 3.0 units. They are pricey. If you want top notch at an affordable price this MSI unit is what I would go with.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1727536-REG/msi_mpga1000gpcie5_mpg_a1000g_1000w_80.html

GL with the build!

The be quiet! pure power 12M atx3.0 1200w is on sale for $149, seems like a better deal.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PMbDz6

Fixed.

Stutters are more likely to be from your GPU, but 7800X3D is indeed less consistent than tuned 14th gen with good RAM.

I would suggest trying to tune the memory to 8000, which is quite possible on a 1DPC board like the one here. You can buy a full ATX 1DPC board but those are more expensive, ASUS Apex etc.

A good Ti 1000 W ATX 3.0 PSU will do more to safeguard you than a middle tier 1200 W Gold.

The other thing I would suggest is to use a cheap contact frame, but that's not essential.

Try and do a locked OC, instead of per core or the dynamic boost Intel uses, it will eliminate another source of stutters, you should be able to do 5.8 all core, with the ring OC'd as well.

Ti PSUs aren't just 1% better, they have better voltage stability and transients while contributing less heat to the build, they're also just built to a higher standard.

The ITX board selected also has thunderbolt which is useful for longevity.

Why Asrock and mini ITX? Why OLOy ram, sounds like a newer knockoff? I must be old, I trust Crucial/Corsair for the USA design. That may not be accurate these days though ...

 

[AusWolf]

Yes I think too much is read into extrapolation of performance rather than focusing on true empirical results like the 4K tests, closest annd most relevant to me, illustrating intel on top.

Hard empirical 4K data tells us that every game is GPU limited. It doesn't take two master's degrees to see that. Reviews aren't only about seeing that high-end parts run stuff. Of course they do!

 

[fusseli]

Hard empirical 4K data tells us that every game is GPU limited. It doesn't take two master's degrees to see that. Reviews aren't only about seeing that high-end parts run stuff. Of course they do!

And who's on top in gpu limited conditions? Intel.

 

[freeagent]

It is only computer hardware, be kind to each other, you will feel better

 

[AusWolf]

And who's on top in gpu limited conditions? Intel.

Do you think your 14700K or 14900K will still be GPU limited in 5-7 years with a 6090?

It is only computer hardware, be kind to each other, you will feel better

Agreed. If OP wants a CPU that eats 200 W more for 0.1% better minimum FPS, then be my guest.

There's no wrong choice with gaming hardware these days - only different budgets and use cases.

 

[fusseli]

Any inputs on Strix Z790H vs. a newer refresh design like the Gigabyte Aorus Elite X wifi7? I had almost convinced myself to go back to Asus this time with the "meh" experience on my z490 Aorus Ultra but it looks like they have made leaps and bounds of improvements in recent years.

Also still haven't heard why the one guy is suggesting a mini ITX Asrock board to me.

Do you think your 14700K or 14900K will still be GPU limited in 5-7 years with a 6090?


Agreed. If OP wants a CPU that eats 200 W more for 0.1% better minimum FPS, then be my guest.

There's no wrong choice with gaming hardware these days - only different budgets and use cases.

Yes. I play games NOW on my 4+ year old 10700k that are GPU limited. What's your point? Is there one besides power draw that's already easily taken care of with a $150 psu?

 

[tabascosauz]

Do you think your 14700K or 14900K will still be GPU limited in 5-7 years with a 6090?


Agreed. If OP wants a CPU that eats 200 W more for 0.1% better minimum FPS, then be my guest.

There's no wrong choice with gaming hardware these days - only different budgets and use cases.

OP has already been clear about his 14th gen preferences in post #1. There's no need for any of this.

If anyone is going to chime in for the sole purpose of arguing over Intel or AMD bad/good, don't, because I'm just going to clean it up.

 

[faye]

Corsair is selling trash for RAM lately from what I've seen, at least in their Vengeance line. Wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Dominators are still great, I'm sure, but I'd rather just look elsewhere at this point.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

Yeah I have a dark power 13 on my 13900ks at work and have been impressed with it. So that's what pushed me to be quiet! for this go around. Then in another thread there is the psu tier list, and straight power 12 and above is tier 1.

What tier list? If you mean the cultist network one, the straight power 12 is not on there yet, probably too new.

 

[fusseli]

Corsair is selling trash for RAM lately from what I've seen, at least in their Vengeance line. Wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Dominators are still great, I'm sure, but I'd rather just look elsewhere at this point.

Good to know. To me new brands like OLOy are suspect. Sounds too much like the sold on Amazon knockoff stuff. If Corsair is on sale at 7000+ cl34 I’ll still give it a try and report back. My 13900ks at work is only memtest stable with 4x sticks 16gb up to 6400, had to throttle it down for zero errors.

As a pointless aside I never got ddr4-5000 working on my z490 Aorus ultra…. That was supposed to be better ram speed than z390 and 9 series. Sigh. Went 3600 cl14 and no regerts.

What tier list? If you mean the cultist network one, the straight power 12 is not on there yet, probably too new.

Pure power 12M is on there (1200w on sale for $149 right now) as an asterisk as unverified but grandfathered in. There are other be quiets as top tier also. Straight power 12 1200w is $239 "on sale"

 

[AusWolf]

Yes. I play games NOW on my 4+ year old 10700k that are GPU limited. What's your point? Is there one besides power draw that's already easily taken care of with a $150 psu?

Heat? If you're fine with that, too, I'll rest my case.

OP has already been clear about his 14th gen preferences in post #1. There's no need for any of this.

If anyone is going to chime in for the sole purpose of arguing over Intel or AMD bad/good, don't, because I'm just going to clean it up.

It's not a brand argument, but a "what would fit OP's needs better" argument. But like I said, I'll end it here.

Corsair is selling trash for RAM lately from what I've seen, at least in their Vengeance line. Wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Dominators are still great, I'm sure, but I'd rather just look elsewhere at this point.

What's wrong with Vengeance? I've had quite a few DDR4 and DDR5 kits and never had any problem with them.

 

[faye]

What's wrong with Vengeance? I've had quite a few DDR4 and DDR5 kits and never had any problem with them.

I was having stability issues shortly after this last big upgrade - GPU and CPU at the same time, problems with both, people kept coming in to the thread and blaming my RAM, which was an old (like 2019) G.Skill Ripjaws kit that had never really liked running at XMP. Finally accepted that okay, it night be the RAM, so I picked up a 32GB kit of Corsair Vengeance DDR4-3600 CL19 because it was cheap for the specs.

It was more stable than the old G.skill kit, but I was still having issues. People are telling me it's the RAM again, I think that's crazy, I'm getting ready to RMA my GPU...

It's the RAM. Swap it out for some G.Skill Trident Z (a 64GB DDR4-3600 CL18 kit that is harder on the IMC) and everything is good.

Now I'm noticing the pattern, particularly with DDR4/AM4 systems - if someone is having general stability issues and it's not immediately obvious what the cause is (graphical corruption suggesting GPU, PSU known bad quality, etc) then there's a good chance they'll be running a Corsair Vengeance kit, and usually raising VDIMM . 05v / raising timings a little will get them stable.

All I can figure is they're tuning on Intel and those XMP settings don't always work on AMD DDR4 platforms. Their DDR5 kits, which have separate XMP and EXPO settings, don't seem to have this problem.

 

[phanbuey]

Good to know. To me new brands like OLOy are suspect. Sounds too much like the sold on Amazon knockoff stuff. If Corsair is on sale at 7000+ cl34 I’ll still give it a try and report back. My 13900ks at work is only memtest stable with 4x sticks 16gb up to 6400, had to throttle it down for zero errors.

As a pointless aside I never got ddr4-5000 working on my z490 Aorus ultra…. That was supposed to be better ram speed than z390 and 9 series. Sigh. Went 3600 cl14 and no regerts.


Pure power 12M is on there (1200w on sale for $149 right now) as an asterisk as unverified but grandfathered in. There are other be quiets as top tier also. Straight power 12 1200w is $239 "on sale"

I'm running some Oloy sticks now (only two of them) at 7600 and they seem to be doing pretty well -- not much headroom on frequency but pretty good results with some of the sub-timings.

Also the power argument is moot once you tune the chip.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

Pure power 12M is on there (1200w on sale for $149 right now) as an asterisk as unverified but grandfathered in. There are other be quiets as top tier also. Straight power 12 1200w is $239 "on sale"

I'm not trying to talk you out of the PP-12M, but the Straight Power 12 1200W is platinum and for the quality of the build, you won't find another one with those specs even close to $239. That was my only point there. the PP-12M is also a good bang/buck, so I can definitely see why you'd want to go for that.

 

[kapone32]

It's too bad Mushkin is out of the DRAM Game. They made some of the most bulletproof RAM for Ryzen and Intel.

 

[AusWolf]

I was having stability issues shortly after this last big upgrade - GPU and CPU at the same time, problems with both, people kept coming in to the thread and blaming my RAM, which was an old (like 2019) G.Skill Ripjaws kit that had never really liked running at XMP. Finally accepted that okay, it night be the RAM, so I picked up a 32GB kit of Corsair Vengeance DDR4-3600 CL19 because it was cheap for the specs.

It was more stable than the old G.skill kit, but I was still having issues. People are telling me it's the RAM again, I think that's crazy, I'm getting ready to RMA my GPU...

It's the RAM. Swap it out for some G.Skill Trident Z (a 64GB DDR4-3600 CL18 kit that is harder on the IMC) and everything is good.

Now I'm noticing the pattern, particularly with DDR4/AM4 systems - if someone is having general stability issues and it's not immediately obvious what the cause is (graphical corruption suggesting GPU, PSU known bad quality, etc) then there's a good chance they'll be running a Corsair Vengeance kit, and usually raising VDIMM . 05v / raising timings a little will get them stable.

All I can figure is they're tuning on Intel and those XMP settings don't always work on AMD DDR4 platforms. Their DDR5 kits, which have separate XMP and EXPO settings, don't seem to have this problem.

Maybe that's true of their 3600 MHz kits (as that's not officially supported by AMD), but I never had any problem with the 3200 MHz ones.

 

[fusseli]

I was having stability issues shortly after this last big upgrade - GPU and CPU at the same time, problems with both, people kept coming in to the thread and blaming my RAM, which was an old (like 2019) G.Skill Ripjaws kit that had never really liked running at XMP. Finally accepted that okay, it night be the RAM, so I picked up a 32GB kit of Corsair Vengeance DDR4-3600 CL19 because it was cheap for the specs.

It was more stable than the old G.skill kit, but I was still having issues. People are telling me it's the RAM again, I think that's crazy, I'm getting ready to RMA my GPU...

It's the RAM. Swap it out for some G.Skill Trident Z (a 64GB DDR4-3600 CL18 kit that is harder on the IMC) and everything is good.

Now I'm noticing the pattern, particularly with DDR4/AM4 systems - if someone is having general stability issues and it's not immediately obvious what the cause is (graphical corruption suggesting GPU, PSU known bad quality, etc) then there's a good chance they'll be running a Corsair Vengeance kit, and usually raising VDIMM . 05v / raising timings a little will get them stable.

All I can figure is they're tuning on Intel and those XMP settings don't always work on AMD DDR4 platforms. Their DDR5 kits, which have separate XMP and EXPO settings, don't seem to have this problem.

Actually that makes sense. When I was shopping around for ram I think I actually saw not compatible with amd on some kits.

I'm not trying to talk you out of the PP-12M, but the Straight Power 12 1200W is platinum and for the quality of the build, you won't find another one with those specs even close to $239. That was my only point there. the PP-12M is also a good bang/buck, so I can definitely see why you'd want to go for that.

Yeah I might just get the pp12m on order, seems like a steal for 1200w atx3.0 gold.

 

[faye]

Actually that makes sense. When I was shopping around for ram I think I actually saw not compatible with amd on some kits.

The kit I had specifically claimed AMD compatibility. I've just stopped recommending them - there are similarly priced options that seem to be much less problematic.

 

[HuLkY]

You might need This or even adding delid option to it, Intel CPUs go bananas with heat, best of luck bud!

 

[fusseli]

Reading the explanation at that link is much better than anything I’ve heard so far. I believe the slight concave flex, but I also believe it to be on the order of microns. It’s not for saving cpu pins. The thermal grizzly contact frame is $40 compared to thermalright at $15.

Going all in at this point. Thanks for all whom gave inputs!

 

[HuLkY]

Reading the explanation at that link is much better than anything I’ve heard so far. I believe the slight concave flex, but I also believe it to be on the order of microns. It’s not for saving cpu pins. The thermal grizzly contact frame is $40 compared to thermalright at $15.

Going all in at this point. Thanks for all whom gave inputs!

I have Thermalright here, for cpu cooler and this frame for AMD, their quality is top notch and the reviews for many users are just thr chiefs kiss, go for it and waiting for your build updates

 

[80-watt Hamster]

It's too bad Mushkin is out of the DRAM Game. They made some of the most bulletproof RAM for Ryzen and Intel.

They did? Still lots of Mushkin listings on Newegg. Is there just stuff left in channel?