New GPU

[FerK]

Hello, two days ago I sold my R9 290 from Sapphire because, living in Spain, I couldn't really handle all the heat coming from the card. It was more than ok for me for gaming but watching Netflix, or hardware decoding a streaming or something, it would get really hot (and according to this page reviews it draws a lot of power in 'bluray' which I would say it should be a similar situation?). That was another problem, how much power it drawed.

I'm looking at GTX 1060 but they are all sold out and overpriced as hell (due to mining according to the store), a 3GB model is €230-€250 and the cheapest 6GB model is ~€300. Seems too high especially considering I remember there was 6GB model at €250 one year ago...

So now I'm also considering alternatives like the RX570 (less powerful) and RX580. But I don't know how HEVC encoding would work and how much power they would draw at hardware decoding. I don't want another 290 situation and I no longer trust AMD with those kind of things.

My budget may not be high enough for a 1060 6GB so I would need to stick to the 3GB model so, what do you guys think? In comparison the lowest priced RX570 4GB go for €200 while the 580 (4GB) goes for €240 and 8GB for €259.

Regards.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I heard that 290s were going for stupid prices because they are pretty good miners. If you dont mind preowned cards, a 970 or 980 is still a decent buy if the price is right.

 

[therealmeep]

+1 for the 970/980 solution, had both they were/are good cards and still worthwhile.

 

[FerK]

I heard that 290s were going for stupid prices because they are pretty good miners. If you dont mind preowned cards, a 970 or 980 is still a decent buy if the price is right.

Where I sold my card, the lowest price was €180 and there was €250-€300 units and those were worse models than my own. I bought my card from Amazon refurbished for €180 and sold it one year and a half later for €150. I obviously wasn't going to sell it for more than it had costed me. I even think I already sold it for over what should be its 'normal' price.

+1 for the 970/980 solution, had both they were/are good cards and still worthwhile.

The 980 is more or less on the same performance as the 1060 if I'm not wrong right?

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Where I sold my card, the lowest price was €180 and there was €250-€300 units and those were worse models than my own. I bought my card from Amazon refurbished for €180 and sold it one year and a half later for €150. I obviously wasn't going to sell it for more than it had costed me. I even think I already sold it for over what should be its 'normal' price.

And whats wrong with making a profit? If I bought something and someone else was willing to give me more than what I paid for it then id say hell yeah. Its how businesses work. Forget about 'normal' price. more importantly is how much people are willing to give you based on supply and demand.

the 1060 and the 980 are basically neck and neck. Where the 1060 is faster the 980 is slower and where the 980 is faster the 1060 is slower.

 

[FerK]

And whats wrong with making a profit? If I bought something and someone else was willing to give me more than what I paid for it then id say hell yeah. Its how businesses work. Forget about 'normal' price. more importantly is how much people are willing to give you based on supply and demand.

the 1060 and the 980 are basically neck and neck. Where the 1060 is faster the 980 is slower and where the 980 is faster the 1060 is slower.

It just that it doesn't feel right. Thanks for the help by the way.

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My priority is still a 1060/980/970 if I can find a good price but, what about those AMD models? They're going to be more power hungry, and that's not a good thing but I could ignore it as long as it doesn't work the same way as the 290. I had like 60-70w more comsuption while using hardware decoding in a Twitch stream and the temps were right for the card (60-65ºC, no danger) but the heat that was being dissipated was obviously going elsewhere, outside the case with me suffering with it. I'm using an old HD5850 now that has some basic H264 HW decoding and it doesn't produce nearly any heat, the hell were AMD thinking when they made the 290 like that. Any experience?

 

[FreedomEclipse]

It just that it doesn't feel right. Thanks for the help by the way.

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My priority is still a 1060/980/970 if I can find a good price but, what about those AMD models? They're going to be more power hungry, and that's not a good thing but I could ignore it as long as it doesn't work the same way as the 290. I had like 60-70w more comsuption while using hardware decoding in a Twitch stream and the temps were right for the card (60-65ºC, no danger) but the heat that was being dissipated was obviously going elsewhere, outside the case with me suffering with it. I'm using an old HD5850 now that has some basic H264 HW decoding and it doesn't produce nearly any heat, the hell were AMD thinking when they made the 290 like that. Any experience?

Take an iPhone for example. It costs Apple about $20-30 to make just ONE if not less and they sell it for $800. If people wanna pay that much for it. Who are Apple to argue?

If a miner bought your card for a cheaper price then other 290s, do you think hes honestly going to care if its a refurb or not? Let alone the lower price then everyone else youre selling at? He will just label you a fool as its his gain.

As for AMD. they lost their way on the GPU market for a while. They kinda still are though that's changing S we speak

 

[jboydgolfer]

As for AMD. they lost their way on the GPU market for a while. They kinda still are though that's changing S we speak

I don't know if they're finding their way(imo) I haven't seen anything yet that shows any teeth(not counting promise/hopeful results), maybe their new lineup will change that , but thats still to be seen. as it stands now , unless you factor in the mining there's nothing impressive they have thats cuurent & competitive outside of mid range area.

I think that they put a lot of hope in HBM ( which didn't really pan out for them too well) i'm not saying it couldn't ,but as it stands now the one or two gpu's that are running HBM are nothing to write home about.

My current video cards are the only Nvidia GPUs I've owned in over a decade simply because I've always liked AMD and Id really love it if their newest lineup would not just promise, but deliver too. I had wicked high hopes for the rx580 and the fact is there basically like fast gtx 970s and have NO chance of competing with Nvidia's top of the line 10xx series.

 

[Vayra86]

I heard that 290s were going for stupid prices because they are pretty good miners. If you dont mind preowned cards, a 970 or 980 is still a decent buy if the price is right.

Hold on

Why would you move from a 290 to a 970?

That's what, a 10% win? At best? And probably even a loss in DX12

@ OP: any last gen Nvidia card will also run at 83 C full time so not sure why you sold a working GPU. If you push hardware, it gets hot. And Pascal cards are no different either, if you push them hard, they can also go over 80 C no problem. The BIOS limits you and that is all it is. Every GPU / gaming PC running in a small to medium sized room will eventually heat it up. Open a window or something

For giggles, my spanking new GTX 1080 saw its first 86 C peak temperature last week. Summer time and I had the power plan set for maximum performance. How to kill those nice Pascal temps... its so easily done. Just to give you some perspective on hardware temps and how controllable they really are... The reason that 290 was so hot in idle is because the ambient temp is higher.

 

[P4-630]

And Pascal cards are no different either, if you push them hard, they can also go over 80 C no problem

Uhmm... 63 degrees is highest GPU temp I've seen with my 1070, I forgot to startup Afterburner that time....
You must have bad airflow in your case or you don't use a custom fan profile because mine will never reach 80 if the fans are spinning.
Ok you have a 1080 but that should not make it run 20 degrees hotter.

 

[Vayra86]

Uhmm... 63 degrees is highest GPU temp I've seen with my 1070, I forgot to startup Afterburner that time....
You must have bad airflow in your case or you don't use a custom fan profile because mine will never reach 80 if the fans are spinning.
Ok you have a 1080 but that should not make it run 20 degrees hotter.

Go into NVCP and set your power plan for max performance, add 30 C ambient temperature, run a few benches and we'll talk again

I've never seen Pascal do more than 70 C in winter either.

 

[ASOT]

New gpu from 290 is 1070 or 1080

Other then that is not much upgrade(1060 and 980)

 

[P4-630]

Go into NVCP and set your power plan for max performance, add 30 C ambient temperature, run a few benches and we'll talk again

I've never seen Pascal do more than 70 C in winter either.

Hmm.. My 1070 core runs at highest stock speed (factory OC) all the time (1987~1974MHz) when gaming because I use G-Sync, I never bothered changing the powerplan in nvidia control panel, don't think it will make a difference.
Ok it wasn't 63 highest I have seen but 65C last year summer while running Valley with 27 degrees ambient temp.

 

[Toothless]

Go into NVCP and set your power plan for max performance, add 30 C ambient temperature, run a few benches and we'll talk again

I've never seen Pascal do more than 70 C in winter either.

Lol okay, my card rarely hits 60c even with maxed out performance settings and the power limit sitting at 117% and a relaxed fan curve.

New gpu from 290 is 1070 or 1080

Other then that is not much upgrade(1060 and 980)

A 980 or 980Ti would be just fine as a bump.

 

[P4-630]

@Vayra86 maybe you don't use a custom fan profile or otherwise you may have a card with a bad thermal paste job from the factory,
I can't remember that I've seen any Pascal 1070/1080 GPU hitting over 80s in reviews, if you have please share.

 

[FerK]

Hold on

Why would you move from a 290 to a 970?

That's what, a 10% win? At best? And probably even a loss in DX12

@ OP: any last gen Nvidia card will also run at 83 C full time so not sure why you sold a working GPU. If you push hardware, it gets hot. And Pascal cards are no different either, if you push them hard, they can also go over 80 C no problem. The BIOS limits you and that is all it is. Every GPU / gaming PC running in a small to medium sized room will eventually heat it up. Open a window or something

For giggles, my spanking new GTX 1080 saw its first 86 C peak temperature last week. Summer time and I had the power plan set for maximum performance. How to kill those nice Pascal temps... its so easily done. Just to give you some perspective on hardware temps and how controllable they really are... The reason that 290 was so hot in idle is because the ambient temp is higher.

Hello. While gaming is important to me, most of the time I'm in my PC is for watching youtube videos, Twitch streams, I also have a dvb receiver that I use often, web browsing... All of that benefits from HW decoding, and HW decoding in 290 has its cons (high temperature and power comsumption).

I'm not concerned by GPU temperature at all, my 290 hit 82-83ºC the other day but I think it's safe until 95ºC? So thats a no problem. Help me out with this because I'm not sure this is how it works. TDP means the amount of heat the CPU/GPU generates, right? If both the GTX 970 and the R9 290 are at 75ºC at full it means that one cooler is dissipating about two times the heat of the other (in theory), because one has a 150w TDP and the other one 275W. So while the core is fine, that's an extra heat that is coming to the room. This was my problem. I said it before that I live in Spain, but it should be similar in other places this time of the year. I can't open a window and get fresh air, because the air is not actually fresh and is rather hot. I have to close all the windows/blinds from 15h onwards because the sun hits directly and it's unbearable. A 290 generating more heat even at lightweight workloads (HW decoding) is the last thing I needed. So that's why I got rid of it.

If I can get another card that doesn't need 70w to HW decode, it also encodes in H265 (I would really use this feature), and I get a 10% more performance, then why not. Even if I don't get a performance gain it would be kind of worth it if it's not too expensive. Thats why I asked if a 1060 3GB would be enough although I see the VRAM a little bit limited, or if any of the AMD models were doing better at what the 290 wasn't.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Hold on

Why would you move from a 290 to a 970?

That's what, a 10% win? At best? And probably even a loss in DX12

@ OP: any last gen Nvidia card will also run at 83 C full time so not sure why you sold a working GPU. If you push hardware, it gets hot. And Pascal cards are no different either, if you push them hard, they can also go over 80 C no problem. The BIOS limits you and that is all it is. Every GPU / gaming PC running in a small to medium sized room will eventually heat it up. Open a window or something

For giggles, my spanking new GTX 1080 saw its first 86 C peak temperature last week. Summer time and I had the power plan set for maximum performance. How to kill those nice Pascal temps... its so easily done. Just to give you some perspective on hardware temps and how controllable they really are... The reason that 290 was so hot in idle is because the ambient temp is higher.

Sorry, I was probably thinking of another thread....


@FerK -- Go with a 1070, 1080 or 1080Ti if you have the money. At the moment, AMD just doesnt have any cards that really compete with the 1070 or 1080 AFAIK but i could be wrong.

Currently, even a 1060 is faster than a 290X in gaming.

 

[P4-630]

Hello. While gaming is important to me, most of the time I'm in my PC is for watching youtube videos, Twitch streams, I also have a dvb receiver that I use often, web browsing... All of that benefits from HW decoding, and HW decoding in 290 has its cons (high temperature and power comsumption).

I'm not concerned by GPU temperature at all, my 290 hit 82-83ºC the other day but I think it's safe until 95ºC? So thats a no problem. Help me out with this because I'm not sure this is how it works. TDP means the amount of heat the CPU/GPU generates, right? If both the GTX 970 and the R9 290 are at 75ºC at full it means that one cooler is dissipating about two times the heat of the other (in theory), because one has a 150w TDP and the other one 275W. So while the core is fine, that's an extra heat that is coming to the room. This was my problem. I said it before that I live in Spain, but it should be similar in other places this time of the year. I can't open a window and get fresh air, because the air is not actually fresh and is rather hot. I have to close all the windows/blinds from 15h onwards because the sun hits directly and it's unbearable. A 290 generating more heat even at lightweight workloads (HW decoding) is the last thing I needed. So that's why I got rid of it.

If I can get another card that doesn't need 70w to HW decode, it also encodes in H265 (I would really use this feature), and I get a 10% more performance, then why not. Even if I don't get a performance gain it would be kind of worth it if it's not too expensive. Thats why I asked if a 1060 3GB would be enough although I see the VRAM a little bit limited, or if any of the AMD models were doing better at what the 290 wasn't.

If you are gaming as well, I would pick an nvidia card with at least 6GB vram.
Better yet get a 1070/1080 as upgrade.
Nvidia Pascal cards don't use as much power as AMD does.

 

[qubit]

If you weren't bothered about gaming, then a GT 1030 would be a good buy as it's got the latest Pascal GPU and runs cool and quiet. Mind you, you could then probably just run off the 2500K's IGP lol.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

If you have the money go for a 1070 with a good cooler (MSI,Palit,EVGA Zotac...etc)

 

[ASOT]

He got old,why get old stuff again,even IF Maxwell are damm good on performance

Since we are 2017 i suggest him 1070 or higher

 

[Toothless]

And, again, just because it's not the newest thing doesn't mean it's junk. It doesn't matter what year it is the guy can still use a 8800 if they so wanted to.

 

[ASOT]

Ok,if u say so,then recomend it,best choose Maxwell right now

 

[Vayra86]

Hmm.. My 1070 core runs at highest stock speed (factory OC) all the time (1987~1974MHz) when gaming because I use G-Sync, I never bothered changing the powerplan in nvidia control panel, don't think it will make a difference.
Ok it wasn't 63 highest I have seen but 65C last year summer while running Valley with 27 degrees ambient temp.

Well, that's why I say try it and be amazed.

The standard Pascal setting in NVCP is Optimal Power - this is the GPU Boost 3.0 balancing act at its finest, because it will constantly throttle down to keep temps low, even if you add your OC on top. The net effect on air cooling is exactly perfect and it is the ideal setting, because higher temps also cost clockspeed, so increasing power will have an adverse effect. This setting will indeed keep your GPU temps like you see them in reviews and get them out of the box.

Now, set Prefer Maximum Performance, maintain your old OC, and look again...

 

[Capitan Harlock]

Hello, two days ago I sold my R9 290 from Sapphire because, living in Spain, I couldn't really handle all the heat coming from the card. It was more than ok for me for gaming but watching Netflix, or hardware decoding a streaming or something, it would get really hot (and according to this page reviews it draws a lot of power in 'bluray' which I would say it should be a similar situation?). That was another problem, how much power it drawed.

I'm looking at GTX 1060 but they are all sold out and overpriced as hell (due to mining according to the store), a 3GB model is €230-€250 and the cheapest 6GB model is ~€300. Seems too high especially considering I remember there was 6GB model at €250 one year ago...

So now I'm also considering alternatives like the RX570 (less powerful) and RX580. But I don't know how HEVC encoding would work and how much power they would draw at hardware decoding. I don't want another 290 situation and I no longer trust AMD with those kind of things.

My budget may not be high enough for a 1060 6GB so I would need to stick to the 3GB model so, what do you guys think? In comparison the lowest priced RX570 4GB go for €200 while the 580 (4GB) goes for €240 and 8GB for €259.

Regards.

Hi , i wonder how much HOT is where you live for saying that you can't handle the heat and then says is not a problem the heat but the problem is powerdraw.
I can undestand powerdraw that is not low but when you buyed the 290 you didn't see the specs?
Where i live is 28° C and sometimes evene higher and if i have the sun over my window i just close a little the shade outside .
If you're room temps is constant and you don't let the air flow you don't go anywhere if you want low temps.
I have a r9 Fury x and when i watch stuff on pc or youtube or gaming my card don't go over 65°c .
Mine does have a 120Radiator because the fury x is like this but you could have done something similar with an all in one cooler to stick on the 290.
About the new card then go with a 1070 if you find a good deal or 1080 .
I will waith for RX Vega too but if you need a card so soon try to find a good deal with Nvidia gpus.