New High Performance, x86 Compatible Microprocessors from Centaur / VIA

R-T-B · Feb 27, 2020

lexluthermiester said:
Very likely. It's a little more fine-grained than just lumping the Atom in with one series or another, but at their core, Atom had a lot more in common with the Pentium3/PentiumM than with any of the 486 line.
(BTW, thanks for pointing that out, I read up on more detail aspects of the Atom line and learned a few more things I didn't know before.)

Speculative execution is a huge core design fundemental decision, not sure I can agree with that but it's down to perspective I suppose.

RealNeil · Feb 27, 2020

Octopuss said:
The CPUs were crap

Yes, they were.

lexluthermiester · Feb 28, 2020

R-T-B said:
Speculative execution is a huge core design fundemental decision, not sure I can agree with that but it's down to perspective I suppose.

Speculative execution is also very power hungry, which is why Intel cut it from the feature set. Atom was intended to be very power efficient, so power intensive features were removed leaving only essential functionality. However, what remained was still directly derived from Pentium M. From there Atom evolved in directions that followed the idea's of power efficiency. As each iteration was produced the line became more effective. I personally think that Intel did well to make a power efficient CPU that also performed in a competent way...

RealNeil said:
Yes, they were.

...despite what many may think. I still have two Atom powered devices, both still running strong and both still performing well.

R-T-B · Feb 28, 2020

lexluthermiester said:
Speculative execution is also very power hungry, which is why Intel cut it from the feature set.

I was talking about in terms of being similar, not in terms of whether or not it was a good design decision (it was).

Tralalak · Mar 26, 2020

Folding@home for Fighting Covid-19 with VIA QuadCore 2.0GHz (CPU) and NVIDIA GeForce GTX1050Ti (GPU)

Tralalak · Apr 2, 2020

https://twitter.com/x/status/1245756699400638466

Tralalak · Apr 4, 2020

A few retail boards beside the known board from Cjoyin:

source: https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=12268260&postcount=492

lexluthermiester · Apr 4, 2020

Tralalak said:
A few retail boards beside the known board from Cjoyin:

source: https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=12268260&postcount=492

Those are interesting.

Tralalak · Apr 10, 2020

Zhaoxin KX-U6780A x86 CPU Tested: The Rise of China's Chips
source: https://www.tomshardware.com/features/zhaoxin-kx-u6780a-x86-cpu-tested

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I underclocked to 2.7GHz my Eight Core processor AMD FX-8300 3.3GHz

Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6780A 2.7GHz vs AMD FX-8300 3.3GHz @ 2.7GHz

Cinebench R20

Multi-threaded
Zhaoxin KX-U6780A 2.7GHz: 982 (+11,72%)
AMD FX-8300 @ 2.7GHz: 879 (89,51%)

Single-threaded
Zhaoxin KX-U6780A 2.7GHz: 127 (94,07%)
AMD FX-8300 @ 2.7GHz: 135 (+6,30%)

Geekbench 4

Multi-threaded
Zhaoxin KX-U6780A 2.7GHz: 9 128 (+8,99%)
AMD FX-8300 @ 2.7GHz: 8 375 (91,75%)

Single-threaded
Zhaoxin KX-U6780A 2.7GHz: 1 780 (94,53%)
AMD FX-8300 @ 2.7GHz: 1 883 (+5,79%)

lexluthermiester · Apr 11, 2020

Tralalak said:
Zhaoxin KX-U6780A x86 CPU Tested: The Rise of China's Chips
source: https://www.tomshardware.com/features/zhaoxin-kx-u6780a-x86-cpu-tested

Steve did testing on a similar Chinese CPU;

Tralalak · Apr 11, 2020

Steve tested older Zhaoxin CPU very simular as my VIA QuadCore C4650 2.0GHz (4C/4T) from 2015:

Steve: 28nm Zhaoxin Kaixian ZX-C+ C4701 2.08GHz (4C/4T)
Tomshardware: 16nm Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6780A 2.7GHz (8C/8T) SoC

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Nice desktop with Zhaoxin Eight Core processor

HP 268 Pro G1 MT
ZhaoXin KaiXian KX-U6780A Processor
2.7 GHz
8 MB L2 cache, 8 cores
8 threads
ZhaoXin C960 UHD Graphics
70 W
Supports DDR4 memory up to 2666 MT/s

source: https://support.hp.com/in-en/product/hp-268-pro-g1-mt/32591011/document/c06537715#AbT2
source: http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06558314

lexluthermiester · Apr 12, 2020

Tralalak said:
Steve tested older Zhaoxin CPU very simular as my VIA QuadCore C4650 2.0GHz (4C/4T) from 2015:

Steve: 28nm Zhaoxin Kaixian ZX-C+ C4701 2.08GHz (4C/4T)
Tomshardware: 16nm Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6780A 2.7GHz (8C/8T) SoC

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Nice desktop with Zhaoxin Eight Core processor

HP 268 Pro G1 MT
ZhaoXin KaiXian KX-U6780A Processor
2.7 GHz
8 MB L2 cache, 8 cores
8 threads
ZhaoXin C960 UHD Graphics
70 W
Supports DDR4 memory up to 2666 MT/s

source: https://support.hp.com/in-en/product/hp-268-pro-g1-mt/32591011/document/c06537715#AbT2
source: http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06558314

That's different! Very interesting. Don't think it'll sell any better than the pet rock...

Tralalak · Apr 14, 2020

PConline: HP 268 Pro G1 review
source: https://translate.google.com/transl...//desktops.pconline.com.cn/1335/13354004.html

AsRock · Apr 14, 2020

mbeeston said:
i miss cyrix.

I don't, it was a HOT! pile of SHIT, days after getting the 150+ i wished i had saved a little more for AMD's chip.

As for this thread i will believe it when they proove it and not before

Tralalak · Apr 14, 2020

HP 268 Pro G1 mainboard with Zhaoxin KX-U6780A processor

Tralalak · Apr 20, 2020

Zhaoxin roadmap 2020/2021

CPU
2.0G+ / 16C
8DDR4 / 128PCIE3
Dual Die / Dual Socket
16nm TSMC

Stand alone GPU
~ 70W
28nm TSMC

source: http://www.gdinsa.org/uploadfile/2020/0326/20200326055237805.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2EpeXCNs_kOca6hBFwRS1wpyuu_m_yIer02QC_rW4nJmU22enrP7KiW80

Tralalak · Apr 27, 2020

Interesting Japanese article about Centaur CHA x86 processor with AI coprocessor
source:

https://translate.google.com/transl.../ascii.jp/elem/000/004/010/4010926/&sandbox=1

I found a Chinese review KX-U6780A. There is an interesting look at this product from their perspective.
source:

https://translate.google.com/transl...u=https://news.mydrivers.com/1/685/685600.htm

Tralalak · May 3, 2020

Tralalak · May 8, 2020

China only... Loeschzwerg boards arrived to Germany (EU) 5.5.2020

source: https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=12300213&postcount=520

I compared the results with Loeschzwerg at a distance with my AMD FX-8300 at 2.7GHz.

Zhaoxin KX-U6780A 2.7GHz

CPU-Z 1.92 (Benchmark Version 17.01.64)
Single-Thread: 181 (+14,70%)
Multi-Thread (8T): 1442 (+36,36%)
source: https://valid.x86.fr/pc5ryy

Geekbench 4.4.2 Tryout for Windows x86 (64-bit)
Single-Core Score: 1820 (96,86%)
Multi-Core Score: 9093 (+8,06%)
source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/15466947?baseline=15466403

Geekbench 5.1.1 Tryout for Windows x86 (64-bit)
Single-Core Score: 362 (93,06%)
Multi-Core Score: 2387 (+8,50%)
source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/2070351?baseline=20673433

vs

AMD FX-8300 3.3GHz @ 2.7GHz

CPU-Z 1.92 (Benchmark Version 17.01.64)
Single-Thread: 158,1 (87,18%)
Multi-Thread (8T): 1057,2 (73,34%)

https://imgur.com/WOz5B9p

Geekbench 4.4.2 Tryout for Windows x86 (64-bit)
Single-Core Score: 1879 (+3,24%)
Multi-Core Score: 8415 (92,54%)
source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/15466947?baseline=15466403

Geekbench 5.1.1 Tryout for Windows x86 (64-bit)
Single-Core Score: 389 (+7,46%)
Multi-Core Score: 2200 (92,17%)
source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/2070351?baseline=2067343

Tralalak · May 15, 2020

Relative performance of Zhaoxin's processors in SPECint_2006

Single Thread: ZX-A (1) vs ZX-C (1,4x) vs KX-5000 (1,8x) vs KX-6000 (2,7x) vs KX-7000 (4,4x)

Multi Thread: ZX-A (1) vs ZX-C (2,3x) vs KX-5000 (5,8x) vs KX-6000 (8,1x) vs KX-7000 (31x)

source: https://read01.com/J8j2MyQ.html#.Xr7Eu8DgqUl

A large increase in the performance of the new microarchitecture.
ZX-A / ZX-C / KX-5000 / KX-6000 = small cores
KX-7000 = BIG cores

Tralalak · May 29, 2020

Zhaoxin KX-U6780A in the test:
China's x86 processor can do that
source: https://www.golem.de/news/zhaoxin-kx-u6780a-im-test-das-kann-chinas-x86-prozessor-2005-148364.html

Tralalak · May 30, 2020

Zhaoxin KiaXian KX-U6780A 2.7GHz in the Anandtech CPU Benchmarks Database
source: https://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU-2019/2224

Tralalak · Aug 18, 2020

Tralalak · Aug 21, 2020

New Geekbench 5 results
CentaurHauls 2000 MHz (8 cores) vs ZHAOXIN KaiSheng KH-37800D 2700 MHz (16 cores)
CentaurHauls Family 6 Model 71 Stepping 2 vs 2x CentaurHauls Family 7 Model 11 Stepping 14
8x New BIG Cores vs 16x small Cores (2x 8 small Cores)

Multi-Core Score 3330 (+8,82%) vs 3060 (91,89%)
Single-Core Score 482 (+33,15%) vs 362 (75,10%)

source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/3358994?baseline=3361909

The new KaiSheng KH-4000O series will have up to 32 of these new BIG cores while in dual socket up to 64 cores...
"Houston, we have a problem"

Tralalak · Jul 6, 2021

First impression - Rise of the small cores

Cinebench R23 CPU (Multi Core)
● VIA QuadCore C4650 2.0GHz (28nm, 4C/4T, 2MB L2 cache): 733 pts (34,49%)
● Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6580 2.5GHz (16nm, 8C/8T, 8MB L2 cache), : 2 125 pts (+189,90%)

And here is my older game results with VIA QuadCore compare with Zhaoxin OctaCore

World of Tanks enCORE - ULTRA
● VIA QuadCore C4650 2.0GHz (28nm, 4C/4T, 2MB L2 cache) + NVIDIA GeForce GTX1050Ti 4GB OC: 5 648 (50,10%)
● Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6580 2.5GHz (16nm, 8C/8T, 8MB L2 cache) + NVIDIA GeForce GTX1050Ti 4GB OC: 11 273 (+99,59%)

World of Tanks enCORE - MEDIUM
● VIA QuadCore C4650 2.0GHz (28nm, 4C/4T, 2MB L2 cache) + NVIDIA GeForce GTX1050Ti 4GB OC: 8 159 (30,56%)
● Zhaoxin KaiXian KX-U6580 2.5GHz (16nm, 8C/8T, 8MB L2 cache) + NVIDIA GeForce GTX1050Ti 4GB OC: 26 702 (+227,27%)

And the current game @ 2021

Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts 2

1080p HIGH Graphics Settings = perfectly playable and huge graphics

System Name	Pioneer
Processor	Ryzen 9 9950X
Motherboard	MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk Wifi
Cooling	Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon, Phanteks and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory	128GB (4x 32GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-4200(Running 1:1:1 w/FCLK)
Video Card(s)	XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage	Intel 5800X Optane 800GB boot, +2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs, 1x 2TB Seagate Exos 3.5"
Display(s)	55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case	Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s)	TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply	FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse	Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard	WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps
Software	Gentoo Linux x64, other office machines run Windows 11 Enterprise

System Name	Home Brewed
Processor	i9-7900X and i7-8700K
Motherboard	ASUS ROG Rampage VI Extreme & ASUS Prime Z-370 A
Cooling	Corsair 280mm AIO & Thermaltake Water 3.0
Memory	64GB DDR4-3000 GSKill RipJaws-V & 32GB DDR4-3466 GEIL Potenza
Video Card(s)	2X-GTX-1080 SLI & 2 GTX-1070Ti 8GB G1 Gaming in SLI
Storage	Both have 2TB HDDs for storage, 480GB SSDs for OS, and 240GB SSDs for Steam Games
Display(s)	ACER 28" B286HK 4K & Samsung 32" 1080P
Case	NZXT Source 540 & Rosewill Rise Chassis
Audio Device(s)	onboard
Power Supply	Corsair RM1000 & Corsair RM850
Mouse	Generic
Keyboard	Razer Blackwidow Tournament & Corsair K90
Software	Win-10 Professional
Benchmark Scores	yes

System Name	Pioneer
Processor	Ryzen 9 9950X
Motherboard	MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk Wifi
Cooling	Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon, Phanteks and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory	128GB (4x 32GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-4200(Running 1:1:1 w/FCLK)
Video Card(s)	XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage	Intel 5800X Optane 800GB boot, +2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs, 1x 2TB Seagate Exos 3.5"
Display(s)	55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case	Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s)	TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply	FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse	Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard	WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps
Software	Gentoo Linux x64, other office machines run Windows 11 Enterprise

Processor	AMD 3900X \ AMD 7700X
Motherboard	ASRock AM4 X570 Pro 4 \ ASUS X670Xe TUF
Cooling	D15
Memory	Patriot 2x16GB PVS432G320C6K \ G.Skill Flare X5 F5-6000J3238F 2x16GB
Video Card(s)	eVga GTX1060 SSC \ XFX RX 6950XT RX-695XATBD9
Storage	Sammy 860, MX500, Sabrent Rocket 4 Sammy Evo 980 \ 1xSabrent Rocket 4+, Sammy 2x990 Pro
Display(s)	Samsung 1080P \ LG 43UN700
Case	Fractal Design Pop Air 2x140mm fans from Torrent \ Fractal Design Torrent 2 SilverStone FHP141x2
Audio Device(s)	Yamaha RX-V677 \ Yamaha CX-830+Yamaha MX-630 \Paradigm 7se MKII, Paradigm 5SE MK1 , Blue Yeti
Power Supply	Seasonic Prime TX-750 \ Corsair RM1000X Shift
Mouse	Steelseries Sensei wireless \ Steelseries Sensei wireless
Keyboard	Logitech K120 \ Wooting Two HE
Benchmark Scores	Meh benchmarks.

New High Performance, x86 Compatible Microprocessors from Centaur / VIA

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