New M$ Terms of Use and Privacy

[Ahhzz]

Has anyone seen a report/thread/review somewhere of anyone analyzing what the changes really say or mean for the common end user?

Spoiler

As part of our effort to improve your experience across our consumer services, we’re updating the Microsoft Services Agreement and the Microsoft Privacy Statement. We want to take this opportunity to notify you about these updates.

The Microsoft Services Agreement will cover most of Microsoft’s consumer online services, including Xbox Live, Bing, MSN, Skype, OneDrive, Outlook.com and Microsoft account. You can see the full list here. The Microsoft Privacy Statement also covers most of Microsoft’s consumer products and services.

Simplicity – Many of our customers use more than one Microsoft service, and have agreed to many sets of terms and privacy policies. To make it easier to use multiple services, we’ve brought together these documents into a single agreement and a consolidated privacy statement that cover most of our consumer services.

Privacy – Our longstanding commitment to privacy has not changed. We remain committed to protecting your data, being clear about how we use it, and putting you in control. For example, we do not use the contents of your email, chat, video calls, documents, photos, or voicemail to target advertising to you. And as you’ll see when you read the Microsoft Privacy Statement, we offer a range of tools that enable you to make decisions about what data we collect. Additionally, we have launched a new privacy dashboard that makes it easier for you to make choices about how we use your data.

Transparency – We are using straightforward language so our terms of use and Microsoft Privacy Statement are easier to understand. In addition, we’ve put key privacy information all in one place, so you no longer have to cross-reference several documents to understand the big picture. While this consolidation eliminates redundancies and simplifies the structure of the information, we continue to provide service-specific details to allow you to make informed choices about how you use our services. We’ve also added some additional privacy information about new features and functionality we’ll soon roll out, like those you’ll see on Windows 10.

The updates will take effect on August 1, 2015. If you continue to use our services after August 1, 2015, you agree to the updated terms. If you do not agree, you can choose to discontinue use of the services and close your Microsoft account before August 1st. If you are an Xbox Live subscriber, you will be prompted soon to accept the terms when you log in to Xbox Live on your Xbox One, Xbox 360, or at Xbox.com. If you are a parent or guardian, you are responsible for your child or teenager’s use of Microsoft services, including purchases.

Thank you for using Microsoft services.

 

[mroofie]

Has anyone seen a report/thread/review somewhere of anyone analyzing what the changes really say or mean for the common end user?

Spoiler

As part of our effort to improve your experience across our consumer services, we’re updating the Microsoft Services Agreement and the Microsoft Privacy Statement. We want to take this opportunity to notify you about these updates.

The Microsoft Services Agreement will cover most of Microsoft’s consumer online services, including Xbox Live, Bing, MSN, Skype, OneDrive, Outlook.com and Microsoft account. You can see the full list here. The Microsoft Privacy Statement also covers most of Microsoft’s consumer products and services.

Simplicity – Many of our customers use more than one Microsoft service, and have agreed to many sets of terms and privacy policies. To make it easier to use multiple services, we’ve brought together these documents into a single agreement and a consolidated privacy statement that cover most of our consumer services.

Privacy – Our longstanding commitment to privacy has not changed. We remain committed to protecting your data, being clear about how we use it, and putting you in control. For example, we do not use the contents of your email, chat, video calls, documents, photos, or voicemail to target advertising to you. And as you’ll see when you read the Microsoft Privacy Statement, we offer a range of tools that enable you to make decisions about what data we collect. Additionally, we have launched a new privacy dashboard that makes it easier for you to make choices about how we use your data.

Transparency – We are using straightforward language so our terms of use and Microsoft Privacy Statement are easier to understand. In addition, we’ve put key privacy information all in one place, so you no longer have to cross-reference several documents to understand the big picture. While this consolidation eliminates redundancies and simplifies the structure of the information, we continue to provide service-specific details to allow you to make informed choices about how you use our services. We’ve also added some additional privacy information about new features and functionality we’ll soon roll out, like those you’ll see on Windows 10.

The updates will take effect on August 1, 2015. If you continue to use our services after August 1, 2015, you agree to the updated terms. If you do not agree, you can choose to discontinue use of the services and close your Microsoft account before August 1st. If you are an Xbox Live subscriber, you will be prompted soon to accept the terms when you log in to Xbox Live on your Xbox One, Xbox 360, or at Xbox.com. If you are a parent or guardian, you are responsible for your child or teenager’s use of Microsoft services, including purchases.

Thank you for using Microsoft services.

let me guess another thread where MS is super evil and Google is a Angel

 

[Frick]

Sounds good to me. They're making it easier, and it's actually easier to understand.

 

[Ahhzz]

let me guess another thread where MS is super evil and Google is a Angel

Not yet, but you start it off, and we'll join in as you go along


Not sure what google has to do with this, just want to know if anyone has seen any articles or has any input on the changes. I don't have the time to sit down and prowl thru comparing line by line, but I assume someone out there has.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I'm concerned about Microsoft moving data to Canada though. If the objective is to hide data from the NSA, leaving the country is exactly how not to do it. All data entering and leaving the USA is fair game for the NSA.

 

[MrGenius]

I did recently find the privacy settings to turn off the keylogger in W10. At least I think that's what it does.

 

[dorsetknob]

Non technical explanation

We want you to agree to buy your own KY Jelly so we may Shaft you where and when WE like
Further More by agreeing to our terms and condition this will make you OUR BITCH forever
Our terms are similer to G**g*e and Crapple but they copyrighted them and plagerised them first

IF YOU EXPECT TO USE THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE for cough free then your going to have to let them exploit you anyway they can

 

[Frick]

Read through a bit of it, and it's actually easy to understand, and you can opt out of many things from a centrilized console.

 

[mroofie]

Not yet, but you start it off, and we'll join in as you go along


Not sure what google has to do with this, just want to know if anyone has seen any articles or has any input on the changes. I don't have the time to sit down and prowl thru comparing line by line, but I assume someone out there has.

lel

 

[broken pixel]

Disabling MS data mining (The users experience) is easy like all other MS OS's.

 

[qubit]

Disabling MS data mining (The users experience) is easy like all other MS OS's.

I can just imagine a little "bug" means that Windows 10 ignores the privacy settings and continues sending everything to Microsoft. Until some third party flags it of course and then they'll rush out a "patch" to fix the "flaw". In the meantime they'd have gathered a shitload of data on their users.

Pure speculation at this point, but it's not beyond the bounds of possibility with them.

 

[R-T-B]

I can just imagine a little "bug" means that Windows 10 ignores the privacy settings and continues sending everything to Microsoft. Until some third party flags it of course and then they'll rush out a "patch" to fix the "flaw". In the meantime they'd have gathered a shitload of data on their users.

Pure speculation at this point, but it's not beyond the bounds of possibility with them.

I guarantee you some paranoid person would call them out with a packet sniffer in a week or less.

 

[qubit]

I guarantee you some paranoid person would call them out with a packet sniffer in a week or less.

That sounds quite likely and a week's worth of data would still be valuable for them, especially to gauge usage when it's just been released.

Again, not saying they will, just that they might.

From what I'm seeing of W10, I think I might end up becoming a W7 refusenik for as long as possible. That's a shame, because it's vital to be able to progress onto newer things, but I just don't like what they've done with W10. That DX12 might become a must-have feature in time though for a gamer like me, so that could create a dilemma for me.

 

[AsRock]

let me guess another thread where MS is super evil and Google is a Angel

Wrong their both evil. . Google don't go around collecting data on any one and it surly don't go around disabling peoples apps on hardware due to age of hardware.

But they are both out to make money it just puzzles me endless that people trust Google who is which is one of the biggest private data collectors lol. Everyone wants a cookie ( or like ) on your computer and it makes then real happy when they get a application running on your computer lol.


MS data collection is more about improving the OS, and we end up with is probably when the majority would put up with.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Google collects and stores all search information. Even if you don't use their search, their AdSense does the same looking at the content you view and pushing you similar ads. Granted, Bing does similar.

Google has a lot less to do with hardware than Microsoft. It was Microsoft that played a key role back in the 1980s to create a market where there is lots of competition. Google likely wouldn't exist today if Microsoft hadn't been so successful.

 

[rtwjunkie]

That sounds quite likely and a week's worth of data would still be valuable for them, especially to guage usage when it's just been released.

Again, not saying they will, just that they might.

From what I'm seeing of W10, I think I might end up becoming a W7 refusenik for as long as possible. That's a shame, because it's vital to be able to progress onto newer things, but I just don't like what they've done with W10. That DX12 might become a must-have feature in time though for a gamer like me, so that could create a dilemma for me.

Well, when the time comes that you "must have" DX12, build a w10 machine separately, and keep your W7/8.1 (as applicable) for older titles, sone of which I expect at some point in time down the road to stop working.

 

[qubit]

Well, when the time comes that you "must have" DX12, build a w10 machine separately, and keep your W7/8.1 (as applicable) for older titles, sone of which I expect at some point in time down the road to stop working.

Yeah, the most likely scenario for me would be a dual boot setup. I can't see DX12 coming to W7, but it might just come to W8.1 and that OS is actually pretty nice when run with Classic Shell to fix the Start menu. I really miss Aero, but the overall look and the square corners are nice, so would make for a single operating system rig compromise that I could accept. Also, it's EoL date would be later than W7's too, hence getting updates for longer.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I know a lot are going to upgrade to Windows 8.1 and stay with 8.1 simply because Media Center is axed in Windows 10. I wouldn't be surprised that, when Microsoft sees data of how many computers are not switching to Windows 10, they reconsider things like Media Center.

 

[AsRock]

Google collects and stores all search information. Even if you don't use their search, their AdSense does the same looking at the content you view and pushing you similar ads. Granted, Bing does similar.

Google has a lot less to do with hardware than Microsoft. It was Microsoft that played a key role back in the 1980s to create a market where there is lots of competition. Google likely wouldn't exist today if Microsoft hadn't been so successful.

O come on they don't just "store" information lol. Haha Google don't sell data you believe that you believe any thing.

Well not a Google fan and block any thing remotely to do with them even the 100's of ip addresses they use.

I trust MS more but i don't trust either haha.

 

[qubit]

I know a lot are going to upgrade to Windows 8.1 and stay with 8.1 simply because Media Center is axed in Windows 10. I wouldn't be surprised that, when Microsoft sees data of how many computers are not switching to Windows 10, they reconsider things like Media Center.

Agreed, losing MCE would put some people off and might make a measurable difference, even if small. For those who know better however, there are far better DVR applications out there, with one of the best being the free Media Portal which my friend uses. It's very flexible, works very smoothly and it's not even the latest version any more.

For this reason, losing MCE wouldn't make any difference to me.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

O come on they don't just "store" information lol.

Gmail, Google+, etc. store plenty of information. AdSense/AdWords mostly works off of cookies which are stored on your system.

Haha Google don't sell data you believe that you believe any thing.

What is AdSense? Sure, none of it explicitly identifies anyone in particular but as a whole, it's pretty easy to take that anonymized data and figure out the source. There's several corporations around the world that exist solely for that purpose and you've likely never heard of them. I recommend watching Morgan Spurlock Inside Man "Big Data" where he attempted to find data and control it (he failed, by the way). Snippet here: http://www.cnn.com/videos/bestoftv/2014/05/01/morgan-spurlock-inside-man-privacy-2.cnn

Google's hands may be mostly clean but their business allows all these other businesses to function. As I said, that applies to Bing too. The fact they release any information whatsoever means they are aiding and abetting dissemination of user data. They know it too.