NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Founders Edition

[Deleted member 185088]

Eh, I can understand why the 5800X bottleneck was largely unknown on the 4090 review. Comparing that review to other reviews with faster CPUs yielded interesting numbers that showed how CPU was becoming far more important on higher end rigs, which was a good learning from that review for those that cross compared.

But this time? There's supposed to be meaning to that word in the sentence above, 'learning'.

The usefulness of the data presented here as a "GPU" review becomes very limited due to running on a 5800X. You could have just as well done the review on a 10900K or a 12400 or some such.

This becomes a "If you buy a $1200 GPU and pair with a $250 CPU this is what happens" kind of scenario. It's one of those scenarios that doesn't much exist, sort of like when Toms buys an Asus Maximus and sticks DDR4-4800 in it at JEDEC speeds.

This is just not useful info.

I think this is a none issue as we have testing later with the best gaming CPUs

2.1KG, 3 slot brick, shaky adapter, 1200+ lolcoins... and all it really is, is shrunk Ampere with flashy new pictures of the die and new DLSS.

Hard Pass. I don't understand this product.


As predicted, low hanging fruit is already gone, RT is brute force in the end, so there is only so much they can do without again sacrificing IQ they were supposed to be improving with the technology, or sacrificing raster performance and nobody in their right mind will cripple cards with competition in the high end, which clearly is happening even with RDNA2 already. The only way they get more RT perf now is by increasing the latency hit. Well yay, console-latency gaming on your >1200+ dollar gaming PC, enjoy the hidden peasantry. PCMR is becoming the PC Meme Race, a parody of itself by now. All you can really boast about is chasing the cutting edge of your wallet.

The gap in RT performance is negligible, especially in that high end, other factors are going to be more important for the most sensible upgrade path.

Early adopting, as always, has a price, and offers no real advantages.

Annoyingly RT offers tiny improvements as it is meant for realism and isn't always adequate for games. Physics for example, you don't see games using the most accurate physics.
Most of those pushing for RT completely miss the point of gaming.

 

[Fasola]

You call that a joke?

What would you call it?

 

[pavle]

Flounders edition? Three slots? OMG Ngreedia marketing is lying again. Flounders are flat! That's literally the whole point of that fish. Man, you can't trust anything these days.

I chose the non-fishy meaning of that word, as in the bumbling fools at nvidia.

 

[N3M3515]

And so? You can also become an investor. You start from zero and become a multimillionaire, if your head helps. Or you can ignore them and DON'T BUY!
Another way is to help Putin establish his new world order, or to implement communism, under the motto: RTX 4090 for all the people.
Do you think you will change something with the girls on the forum?

I'm serious, maybe a devastating war would wake us up to reality. Maybe that's how we'll understand that a processor, video card or laptop is not a vital organ or a medicine that saves our lives and the scoundrels sell it at an unreasonably high price. They're just gadgets. We can survive without them or we can replace them with something cheaper.

Anytime any product in whatever market increases absurdly in price, people will complain. What does it have to do with communism?

 

[Valantar]

I chose the non-fishy meaning of that word, as in the bumbling fools at nvidia.

OMG when NGREEEDIA is involved everything is always fishy. Fishy fishy fish fish.

Heck, I can see why people argue like this on forums, this is a lot more fun than actual meaningful discussions!

 

[igralec84]

There's lots of card around MSRP for 1500€, but if you're not German, they won't sell it because they need to support local scalpers

Alternate.de

Dear customer,


thank you for your request.


Unfortunately, due to limited availability, it is not possible to send Graphic cards outside of Germany.
We ask for your understanding that we are currently not making any offers and that we cannot offer the item for deliveries abroad.


We apologize for any inconveniences.

 

[Valantar]

There's lots of card around MSRP for 1500€, but if you're not German, they won't sell it because they need to support local scalpers

Alternate.de

Hey, it's important to support your local businesses scalpers! We don't want global mega-corpsscalpers taking over the GPU retail scalping market, do we?

 

[igralec84]

Hey, it's important to support your local businesses scalpers! We don't want global mega-corpsscalpers taking over the GPU retail scalping market, do we?

On computeruniverse.net i tried to check out one for 1505€, but "something went wrong". Tried two more but now i have 3 different ones in the basket and "something goes wrong" if i click on it, so can't even empty it. So this is how it's going to be for the 7900XTX then. They will be in stock for MSRP but available to buy from scalers on ebay

 

[Valantar]

On computeruniverse.net i tried to check out one for 1505€, but "something went wrong". Tried two more but now i have 3 different ones in the basket and "something goes wrong" if i click on it, so can't even empty it. So this is how it's going to be for the 7900XTX then. They will be in stock for MSRP but available to buy from scalers on ebay

Yeah, with the advent of bot-based scalping I don't think there's a single ecommerce platform on earth that's able to not just fail outright at any high profile launch these days. Even if scalping can't possibly be as profitable today as it was a year ago, it's clear that they'll keep at it for as long as it's viable.

 

[Count Shagula]

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/60019/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4080-eagle-16gb
Cheapeast AU card I found so far... I paid $1100 for a 3080...

 

[wheresmycar]

It's simple for me: I don't buy! And I'm not even complaining. They can sell them a GT 4010 for $10,000 or $1,000,000, that's their job, because then there will be more people who won't buy, they'll be left with unsold goods and go bankrupt. In reality, everything is calculated. They have some well-trained people who inspect the market and it seems that they do a good job if a 4090, with an MSRP of $1499, you can barely find it for $2000.

Yes Sensei Gica, "JUST DON'T BUY". Since the the 40-SERIES got announced with those rediculous prices and people "naturally" displayed their disappointment.... you've been banging on about "stop whining or shedding tears" and "just don't buy" and the circus show falsity "its the market which determines the MSRP". Moreover you've clearly displayed your acceptance to an intolerable trading practice which was always going to [inevitably] give voice to disapproval. Yes disapproval or keyboard ninja resentment which is the natural course of action for the many disgruntled buyers who feel banished with a no entry sign slapped on their foreheads. Everyones entitled to their opinion but the astonishing thing being, you have a problem with people's disapproval and go as far as rediculing them for voicing their opinions/hardships in acquiring such products. The scorning doesn't end there, you push the following argument:

I'm serious, maybe a devastating war would wake us up to reality. Maybe that's how we'll understand that a processor, video card or laptop is not a vital organ or a medicine that saves our lives and the scoundrels sell it at an unreasonably high price. They're just gadgets. We can survive without them or we can replace them with something cheaper.

lol. Seriously? Now you're just feeding false inferences filled with extraneous wind-ups. No one is suggesting we can't survive without price-inflated graphics cards... no one is suggesting we are obligated to buy into this sort of day light robbery. You know perfectly well most of the resentment is coming from people who already fit your "just don't buy" bill of rights and yet you're reflecting on devastating wars for a wake up call. You're practically inciting this weird notion: if anyone has a problem with NVIDIAs fattened up MSRPs they exist in a realm outside of reality so let the bombs and bullets fly to bring them back home (if they survive).... too much deliberately obscured drama for my liking!

Our chance at a low price remains only the competition between rivals, not the rivers of tears shed on the forums.

Its these very "rivers of tears" shedders (or politely put unhappy buyers) who ultimately carry a meaningful stake in determining how the competitive rivalry pans out. So lets not separate the two. In-fact, its not long ago i became more active on these forums.... these rivers of tears were rather contagious if you ask me - definitely added a more informed perspective going forward rather than recklessly throwing charity at the uncharitable.

Another way is to help Putin establish his new world order, or to implement communism, under the motto: RTX 4090 for all the people.

To my short-sailing knowledge, thats the third time you've mentioned Putin since 40-series launched.... if you're really that worried, you might as well extinguish that fear and build yourself a bomb shelter and go under. You could do with a break from all this "devastating war" weird deliberation or overkill contemplation but just remember it doesn't matter how deep you end up in the earths core.... our rivers of tears turned into oceanic floods will find you.

 

[Gica]

I have an allergy to the price of energy, to the complicity of governments with speculators, and I feel boundless anger. Why? Simple, it hits me directly, through bills, and indirectly, through inflation. You have nowhere to hide.
The component prices leave me cold as a glacier. Why? Because they are gadgets for home users. I can survive without them. You not? Is the planet collapsing on you if you don't play with the latest generation of video cards?
I don't know if you've noticed, but new product launches always bring big price cuts to previously launched products.

 

[N3M3515]

I don't know if you've noticed, new product launches always bring big price cuts to previously launched products

Really?, where is the rtx 3080 BIG price cut?, last time i checked is +$135 than msrp.

 

[N/A]

Really?, where is the rtx 3080 BIG price cut?, last time i checked is +$135 than msrp.

The 3080 alternatives like 4060 Ti 070 tier with 10 GB specifically haven't come out yet, so no price cuts until it gets very very near to launch and then at this point why bother with the old power hungry part. Notice how only 3080 Ti 90 Ti did get the price slashed quite substantially to 999. So the best time to check again is in two months, and then again.

 

[wheresmycar]

I have an allergy to the price of energy, to the complicity of governments with speculators, and I feel boundless anger. Why? Simple, it hits me directly, through bills, and indirectly, through inflation. You have nowhere to hide.
The component prices leave me cold as a glacier. Why? Because they are gadgets for home users. I can survive without them. You not? Is the planet collapsing on you if you don't play with the latest generation of video cards?
I don't know if you've noticed, but new product launches always bring big price cuts to previously launched products.

Yes the "planet is collapsing on me" with your child like logic, unfounded repetitiveness and completely irrelevant drivel.

You make it out as if all price cognisant buyers are all insane, reckless to the core and lost at sea. Our refusal not to buy into extortionate parts is testament in itself that no one here is treating the matter at hand as a survival tool. So what on earth are you on about?

Please fill us in... how does your "allergy to the price of energy".... "boundless anger"... "bills"..."component prices leave me cold as a glacier" justify your constant mock of others who simply voice their opinions against rising MSRPs in the GPU segment? Ok so my mortgage interest has doubled-over, my energy bills probably 60-80% swollen, weekly groceries/etc easily 10-20% more but wait let me get on TPU and endorse nVs day-light-robbery pricing strategy and blame the market as the price setter..... and should anyone contest i'll just mock them and convince them they've gone suvival-mode NUTS. If that doesn't work i'll throw in the much desired "return to reality" card which is only possible with a devastating war. ---- Yeah, great logic Gica. I would have said you've lost the plot... seeing you're backing nV to the bone, perhaps the plot is very much in motion.

 

[N3M3515]

Notice how only 3080 Ti 90 Ti did get the price slashed quite substantially to 999

Both of them where severely overpriced to begin with......

 

[Wasteland]

The 3080 alternatives like 4060 Ti 070 tier with 10 GB specifically haven't come out yet, so no price cuts until it gets very very near to launch and then at this point why bother with the old power hungry part. Notice how only 3080 Ti 90 Ti did get the price slashed quite substantially to 999. So the best time to check again is in two months, and then again.

That's more or less the entire point of contention. Nvidia has given zero indication that they plan to offer lower-to-mid-range Ada products any time soon (or even affordable high-end products, like, say, 80 class cards that were priced at $700 as recently as last gen). As things stand now, it looks like those products may never materialize. Instead, we're to buy the Ampere stock left over after Nvidia's cryptocurrency orgy, with Ada releases carefully priced so high that the bulk of old cards can maintain their pre-Ada pricing scheme.

Personally I don't think that AAA games these days are attractive enough that anyone should fixate on buying the newest cutting edge GPU technology; older cards are fine, as long as you can get a decent price. But from a hardware enthusiast standpoint, Ada's launch is disappointing, and Nvidia's behavior looks pretty scummy. AMD isn't entirely blemishless here, either.

 

[mkppo]

Terrible fucking price. $1200 for this POS which gets an editors choice is baffling. How much did nvidia have to price it at for it to NOT get a editors choice? $1500?

At least some reviewers called them out and rightfully so. At MOST, this should have been $1000. At that point it would be put to shame in raster vs 7900 XTX but win in RT. $1200 is absolutely ridiculous.

At this point I feel like selling all of the 3090's I have and going team red as nvidia's ridiculous pricing have really gotten to me. Started with the 3090Ti and continues with the 4080. Won't even go to the 12VHPWR connector they partly designed and their lack of response to it. I'd hate to part with the 3090 FE block though, shame they didn't make one for this round. Come on EK, make one for 7900 XTX.

 

[NesteaZen]

thanks for average numbers in raw format. aka no percentages. i so hate percentages. even if they're dynamic with JS, you can't really work with em. @W1zzard

 

[ModEl4]

Ampere:
4K Performance: 3090=100% 3080=87%
Launch MSRP: 3090=100% 3080=46.66%

Ada:
4K Performance: 4090=100% 4080=80% (probably around 72% in 2.5 years with a Zen5X3D and newer game testbed)
MSRP: 4090=100% 4080=75%

Just don't buy it, give a chance to AMD instead (if 7900XTX $999 MSRP realised)
Still RTX 4080 will be faster than 7900XTX if tested with newer more demanding games with RT on, but for the foreseeable future it doesn't matter much (although when new consoles launch and we are starting to see games targeting next-next gen only, probably by then TPU's main bench will be done with RT on by default but that's at least 5+ years in to the future)

 

[Gica]

Yes the "planet is collapsing on me" with your child like logic, unfounded repetitiveness and completely irrelevant drivel.

You make it out as if all price cognisant buyers are all insane, reckless to the core and lost at sea. Our refusal not to buy into extortionate parts is testament in itself that no one here is treating the matter at hand as a survival tool. So what on earth are you on about?

Please fill us in... how does your "allergy to the price of energy".... "boundless anger"... "bills"..."component prices leave me cold as a glacier" justify your constant mock of others who simply voice their opinions against rising MSRPs in the GPU segment? Ok so my mortgage interest has doubled-over, my energy bills probably 60-80% swollen, weekly groceries/etc easily 10-20% more but wait let me get on TPU and endorse nVs day-light-robbery pricing strategy and blame the market as the price setter..... and should anyone contest i'll just mock them and convince them they've gone suvival-mode NUTS. If that doesn't work i'll throw in the much desired "return to reality" card which is only possible with a devastating war. ---- Yeah, great logic Gica. I would have said you've lost the plot... seeing you're backing nV to the bone, perhaps the plot is very much in motion.

So, in your opinion, those who buy at prices above MSRP (because MSRP is a dream, for now) are idiots. Directly or indirectly, that's what you say. I would add that they are intelligent enough to afford this price, if they necessarily want the best of the best.
Stupid and intelligent at the same time.
To end the controversy, did you scare nVidia? Did the prices drop after your protest? Or does it remain as I said that only the competition can do it (unless they clap their hands and divide their territories)?
11600KF + 3070Ti = ~20% time spent gaming.
12500 + UHD 770 = ~80% time spent gaming.
Why? Because the igp does well in frequently used games and where small details are recommended.
I approximate 30-40% of the total time spent at computers for gaming. The rest: www (yt, forums and news), office, some video and photo editing, plus others where this system does great and consumes ~1KW/month for each hour/day of use.
Why did I invest in 3070Ti, 800 euros, almost $1000 in the summer of 2021? Caprice! I am 110% sure that I would have survived without this video card (I still have a system with 1650 and another 1050Ti in the drawer, for backup).
If you keep talking about thinking like a child, I remind you that in all your replies you have demonstrated that you have primitive thinking: whoever is not with you, they are automatically against you. And you don't even understand how the market works, kids. It's simple for me: I don't buy if I don't like something about the product. I'm not complaining.

 

[Vayra86]

I have an allergy to the price of energy, to the complicity of governments with speculators, and I feel boundless anger. Why? Simple, it hits me directly, through bills, and indirectly, through inflation. You have nowhere to hide.
The component prices leave me cold as a glacier. Why? Because they are gadgets for home users. I can survive without them. You not? Is the planet collapsing on you if you don't play with the latest generation of video cards?
I don't know if you've noticed, but new product launches always bring big price cuts to previously launched products.

Its fine you work that way, but what you see in speculation on markets that dó inspire boundless anger, is the same thing that happens elsewhere, for example in GPU.

You may not like it, but you and I and everyone else here is part of the same problem. Sure, you can keep running ahead of the problem (denial) and keep envisioning for yourself you're still winning, but the reality is, that we're all going to lose. The longer we live in denial of a problem - ANY problem - the higher the bill is going to be when you do face it. That's not an opinion, its a fact of life.

The ideas you have and those who oppose them are not different. They're the same principle. Its about fair and just economies, about markets working as they should and about getting your money's worth. Its clear as day the market for chips but especially consumer GPU has been a total mess... Acknowledgment or denial... up to you. But it is what it is, and cognitive dissonance won't change reality, it just blinds you to it.

You're right we have no 'need' or 'right' for new GPUs. I've been saying the same thing. But that has zero relation to a perspective on the market as it is. Again: separate one from the other, and you can have a more meaningful discussion on what's what.

Terrible fucking price. $1200 for this POS which gets an editors choice is baffling. How much did nvidia have to price it at for it to NOT get a editors choice? $1500?

At least some reviewers called them out and rightfully so. At MOST, this should have been $1000. At that point it would be put to shame in raster vs 7900 XTX but win in RT. $1200 is absolutely ridiculous.

At this point I feel like selling all of the 3090's I have and going team red as nvidia's ridiculous pricing have really gotten to me. Started with the 3090Ti and continues with the 4080. Won't even go to the 12VHPWR connector they partly designed and their lack of response to it. I'd hate to part with the 3090 FE block though, shame they didn't make one for this round. Come on EK, make one for 7900 XTX.

Just ignore the stickers under reviews They're for those with short attention spans and PR.

Remember, in class when you were young you'd also get stickers for everything, doesn't mean a lot

 

[Gica]

I would like to remind you of something. 31.12.2020 was the day when tax exemptions for China expired. Starting from the second day, for every $1000, ~$200 was added to the price of video cards. Those taxes still apply now. If we add the skyrocket prices of energy, wafers and materials, probably the 4080 would have had an msrp of ~$800 if the economic situation had been like the one before the US-China economic war.
As you can see, almost all the big companies are on the decline this year. Of course, we exclude those that sell energy, because they have record revenues.

Its fine you work that way, but what you see in speculation on markets that dó inspire boundless anger, is the same thing that happens elsewhere, for example in GPU.

Correct, but the GPU falls into the "gadget" category for home users. You have a very wide selection base in this segment - if you don't want or can't afford high end, you can manage with something mainstream or even entry. You don't die from that
In essentials, we have completely different products, from food to medicines and ending with bills. High prices are causing havoc here, they are not fads. Only children and snobs make a drama if they button a low entry Motorola instead of an iPhone.

 

[Chomiq]

I would like to remind you of something. 31.12.2020 was the day when tax exemptions for China expired. Starting from the second day, for every $1000, ~$200 was added to the price of video cards.

Bullshit:

U.S. Lifts Chinese Import Tariffs Hitting GPUs, Motherboards

Hopefully some hardware prices decrease.

www.tomshardware.com

The development means PCBs coming from China are now free from the 7.5%-25% additional import duties levied at them, which went into effect in January 2021 when the provisions excluding these products expired. This could, in theory, translate into lower prices for some of the best motherboards and graphics cards. Of course, that's the best case scenario that assumes companies will be passing these savings on to consumers.

That's from March 24th this year.

Even when the import duties were in place 30-series only saw MSRP increase in EU by 5-6.5% for FE cards. No increase in US. That was purely due to USD/EUR conversion rate changes.

 

[Richards]

Is it fun to play? Because I really only test games, you know, things that are relevant for gamers


I do not own any crypto, have never owned any, it's not an interesting investing vehicle for me

Its a compute benchmark.. gpu's are multi purpose not gaming only.. we need more compute worklords