Nvidia video card cheat GT 710 32bit vs 64bit memory bus

[sookonn]

https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-710/specifications
https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/GT710-SL-1GD5/specifications/
Seems most of these 32bit memory cards are from Asus, cheap cards but still not honest move.

 

[looniam]

sure that's a typo. asus would have to screw w/mc on the chip itself, that won't happen.

 

[sookonn]

sure that's a typo. asus would have to screw w/mc on the chip itself, that won't happen.

In pc world typo is when specs are higher then advertised, not vice versa. Asus has several GT 710 cards with 32 bit and several 64bit memory specs, dont you remember geforce 2mx, mx200 similar story 18 years ago with memory bus width. GT 730 has 64bit and 128bit(ddr3) memory versions, so nothing is impossible(never say never again).

 

[looniam]

so first you point the finger at asus but give nvidia examples?
which btw, GT 730 is from different chips kepler/maxwell. isn't an example that would dispute asus couldn't mess with the MC on a single chip.

but hey, why let facts get in the way of a good rant.

so yeah go have fun.

 

[sookonn]

Do everybody a favour please, dont post here, you obviously are non competent in this issue. You presume too much and know too little.

 

[erocker]

Eh, these cards are the lowest end discrete card you can get. They're meant to display an image at best. I don't know how it's dishonest though as they do list the proper specifications.

 

[looniam]

yeah sure pal. if i know so little then show proof where an AIB partner can physically change the MC on a chip?

still wondering about this typo rule for PC spec . . got a citation for that?

 

[erocker]

Tone it down please. The aggressiveness of the conversation isn't needed.

 

[sookonn]

You saw proper specs on Nvidia site, i must be blind then, there is no 32bit mentioned and what logic is that a cheap card can be cheated? Why so much noise about amd rx 560 downgrade to rx 460 recently, its also a cheap card, double standards?
You Ioonam must know very little as MSI also sells 32bit GT 710 cards.
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GT-710-1GD5-LP/Specification

 

[erocker]

It happens. Nvidia allows AIB partners to make these variations for lower cost situations. Hence, you generally check the specs from the manufacturer, not Nvidia/AMD.

 

[sookonn]

Then rx 560 story is also good by you, amd did not mention the changes in their site. What about the typo thing Iooniam? Poor performance guys....

 

[newtekie1]

A few things:

• The GT 710 uses the Kepler based GK208 GPU
• The memory controller on the GK208 is capable of addressing both DDR3 and DDR5 memory, nVidia built this function into the chip
• Right at the top of the nVidia page that was linked to by the OP it says "Graphics card specifications may vary by Add-in-card manufacturer. Please refer to the Add-in-card manufacturers' website for actual shipping specifications."
• Asus has changed the reference specification from 64-bit DDR3 to 32-bit DDR5, they are allowed to do this, there is nothing wrong here, and nVidia has alerted people to the fact this happens.
• Despite what the OP claims, the ASUS specs are not lower than the reference nVidia specs. The bandwidth provided by 32-bits of DDR5 is the same as the bandwidth provided by 64-bits of DDR3 when memory clock speeds are the same.
• Thanks to the higher memory clock of the ASUS card, the 32-bit DDR5 memory is actually providing slightly more memory bandwidth than the reference 64-bit DDR3(20GB/s vs 14.4GB/s), so the Asus card is actually an upgrade over the reference GT710.
• None of this really matters because the GT710 is like 2 years old at this point, and it was a steaming pile even back when it came out.

 

[looniam]

You saw proper specs on Nvidia site, i must be blind then, there is no 32bit mentioned and what logic is that a cheap card can be cheated? Why so much noise about amd rx 560 downgrade to rx 460 recently, its also a cheap card, double standards?
You Ioonam must know very little as MSI also sells 32bit GT 710 cards.
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GT-710-1GD5-LP/Specification

no you're not blind you're seeing what i am pointing out - that the same chip will have the same 32/64/whatever bit memory controllers.
(w/the 550ti.660ti or 970 wonkiness aside)

though i will assertively insist their is no typo rule for PC specs.

edit:

A few things:

• The GT 710 uses the Kepler based GK208 GPU
• The memory controller on the GK208 is capable of addressing both DDR3 and DDR5 memory, nVidia built this function into the chip
• Right at the top of the nVidia page that was linked to by the OP it says "Graphics card specifications may vary by Add-in-card manufacturer. Please refer to the Add-in-card manufacturers' website for actual shipping specifications."
• Asus has changed the reference specification from 64-bit DDR3 to 32-bit DDR5, they are allowed to do this, there is nothing wrong here, and nVidia has alerted people to the fact this happens.
• Despite what the OP claims, the ASUS specs are not lower than the reference nVidia specs. The bandwidth provided by 32-bits of DDR5 is the same as the bandwidth provided by 64-bits of DDR3 when memory clock speeds are the same.
• Thanks to the higher memory clock of the ASUS card, the 32-bit DDR5 memory is actually providing slightly more memory bandwidth than the reference 64-bit DDR3(20GB/s vs 14.4GB/s), so the Asus card is actually an upgrade over the reference GT710.
• None of this really matters because the GT710 is like 2 years old at this point, and it was a steaming pile even back when it came out.

i'll have to admit not knowing that and yeah - i guess i erred. my bad.

 

[eidairaman1]

Ok heres another Example, Asus 6450 2GB, when installing a driver it appears as Radeon 7400 series.

They are just IGP replacements is all...

Fyi gddr5 bandwidth is greater than gddr3/ddr3 anyway so they can reduce the bit rate of the memory bus to reduce cost of making these cheap cards anyway.

 

[sookonn]

A few things:

• The GT 710 uses the Kepler based GK208 GPU
• The memory controller on the GK208 is capable of addressing both DDR3 and DDR5 memory, nVidia built this function into the chip
• Right at the top of the nVidia page that was linked to by the OP it says "Graphics card specifications may vary by Add-in-card manufacturer. Please refer to the Add-in-card manufacturers' website for actual shipping specifications."
• Asus has changed the reference specification from 64-bit DDR3 to 32-bit DDR5, they are allowed to do this, there is nothing wrong here, and nVidia has alerted people to the fact this happens.
• Despite what the OP claims, the ASUS specs are not lower than the reference nVidia specs. The bandwidth provided by 32-bits of DDR5 is the same as the bandwidth provided by 64-bits of DDR3 when memory clock speeds are the same.
• Thanks to the higher memory clock of the ASUS card, the 32-bit DDR5 memory is actually providing slightly more memory bandwidth than the reference 64-bit DDR3(20GB/s vs 14.4GB/s), so the Asus card is actually an upgrade over the reference GT710.
• None of this really matters because the GT710 is like 2 years old at this point, and it was a steaming pile even back when it came out.

You would be right 100% if there were only 32bit ddr5 and 64bit ddr3 cards, but there are 64bit ddr5 also and then it becomes dishonest to customer as 64bit ddr5 is way better then 32bit ddr5. So your long store comes to nothing, seems like a trend here. 2 years is not that long ago compared to geforce 1000 series btw.

 

[qubit]

You would be right 100% if there were only 32bit ddr5 and 64bit ddr3 cards, but there are 64bit ddr5 also and then it becomes dishonest to customer as 64bit ddr5 is way better then 32bit ddr5. So your long store comes to nothing, seems like a trend here. 2 years is not that long ago compared to geforce 1000 series btw.

If you supposedly know all the answers then why are you asking for help and then trashing people who are helping you? You're not making a very good impression here, I can tell you that.

For the record, @newtekie1 is one of our most knowledgeable members here and he just gave you a comprehensive answer, so it's comical to see you slag him off.

I can tell you in just a few words that cards can be made in several variations where all the following can change between brands and between models of the same brand: VRAM amount, VRAM type, data bus width, eg 32-bit v 64-bit and clock speeds. The cooler can often change between passive and non passive with these low end cards, too. All the NVIDIA website will show you is their own reference card, which the third party manufacturer may or may not follow. I hope that's clarified it for you.

 

[sookonn]

I dont ask for help, its for communite information and if somebody is so prominent then he better be right always.

 

[qubit]

Then it's you who doesn't quite understand the situation. And it's you who insists on others being always right, lol. Did you not understand what I said about the card variations? No one's cheating anybody.

 

[AlienIsGOD]

I dont ask for help, its for communite information and if somebody is so prominent then he better be right always.

You don't play well with others do you?

 

[silentbogo]

Not a typo.
Basically the whole ordeal boils down to GT710 having a 64-bit bus w/ reference DDR3 design. GDDR5 wasn't even planned for this card when it came out.
Then several OEMs decided to make a slightly more efficient GDDR5 version, and they've used a "sandwich" arrangement (only on this GPU both chips are located on the same layer, instead of opposite sides), which makes it into a 32-bit card but with faster memory.

If it does not make sense, then imagine a RAID-0 array, only with RAM chips instead of HDDs.

So, for 1GB card you can either make a single 32-bit 1GB sandwich, or for the sake of keeping everyone from freaking out, you can make a marginally faster 64-bit arrangement from a pair of single banks (which will also require more traces from vRAM to GPU and more PCB real estate).

 

[newtekie1]

You would be right 100% if there were only 32bit ddr5 and 64bit ddr3 cards, but there are 64bit ddr5 also and then it becomes dishonest to customer as 64bit ddr5 is way better then 32bit ddr5. So your long store comes to nothing, seems like a trend here. 2 years is not that long ago compared to geforce 1000 series btw.

32-bit and 64-bit DDR5 both are upgrades over the nVidia reference specs. How terrible, someone might buy a card and get something better than the standard card, that's just so dishonest!

I'll say it again, at the VERY TOP of the nVidia page you posted it says "Graphics card specifications may vary by Add-in-card manufacturer. Please refer to the Add-in-card manufacturers' website for actual shipping specifications." It isn't dishonest when they tell you about it right at the top of the specification's page and the changes only make the card better than the stock card.

 

[sneekypeet]

This is why we need a low quality post feature. Thanks to all for making this abundantly clear and continuing to insult and rant at each other after moderation has asked you to simmer down. Thread closed!