NVIDIA's New GPP Program Reportedly Engages in Monopolistic Practices

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This GPP stands for the following based on my research:
- Pro Monopoly
- Anti Gaming
- Anti Consumerism
- Anti Competition

Here's Nvidia's domain about GPP which is a blatant lie.
Here's the Statement """GeForce Partner Program Helps Gamers Know What They're Buying"

Nvidia claims the program isn’t exclusive, yet the agreement asks for exclusivity with a partner’s main gaming brand. Nvidia claims partners can stop participating at any time, but in reality if they do, they will put themselves in a disadvantageous position. Nvidia claims the program is about transparency, but no one is saying which companies are part of the GPP.

If everything you wrote was true, you wouldn't need to be told which companies are part of GPP: you'd simply look for manufacturers that stop carrying AMD GPUs

 

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If everything you wrote was true, you wouldn't need to be told which companies are part of GPP: you'd simply look for manufacturers that stop carrying AMD GPUs

No No, GPP is cleverly orchestrated that goes beyond the discrete GPU. I can get into more details if you like.

Yes stick to Sapphire, XFX and Powercolor. To name a few. And boycott ASUS, Gigabyte and MSI.

 

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No No, GPP is cleverly orchestrated that goes beyond the discrete GPU. I can get into more details if you like.

Please do. Besides the unwaranted secrecy, I still haven't been able to pinpoint what's wrong with GPP.

 

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Please do. Besides the unwaranted secrecy, I still haven't been able to pinpoint what's wrong with GPP.

I took this off AMD Reddit. It pretty much sums up what I was referring to. I'm pro Gaming and Computers. BUT GPP won't benefit Owners of Radeon GPUs, despite Nvidia claims about putting Gamers 1st. Well? They aren't lol

*People buying an individual GPU component is a drop in the bucket on revenue. This is where it starts, this is the future:
HP Omen desktops/laptops: No AMD GPU
Lenovo Legion desktops/laptops: No AMD GPU
Dell Alienware desktops/laptops: No AMD GPU
ASUS ROG desktops/laptops: No AMD GPU
Gigabyte Aorus desktops/laptops: No AMD GPU
MSI GamingX desktops/laptops: No AMD GPU
This is bigger than just buying a branded GPU by itself. This is buying a gaming branded anything.

 

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I took this off AMD Reddit. It pretty much sums up what I was referring to. I'm pro Gaming and Computers. BUT GPP won't benefit Owners of Radeon GPUs, despite Nvidia claims about putting Gamers 1st. Well? They aren't lol

*People buying an individual GPU component is a drop in the bucket on revenue. This is where it starts, this is the future:
HP Omen desktops/laptops: No AMD GPU
Lenovo Legion desktops/laptops: No AMD GPU
Dell Alienware desktops/laptops: No AMD GPU
ASUS ROG desktops/laptops: No AMD GPU
Gigabyte Aorus desktops/laptops: No AMD GPU
MSI GamingX desktops/laptops: No AMD GPU
This is bigger than just buying a branded GPU by itself. This is buying a gaming branded anything.

Did it ever occur to you AMD lagging in perf/W for years might have something to do with them not being the first choice when building a laptop? And them giving up on high-end might have something to do with them not being the first choice when building a gaming desktop? Sure, they have Vega now, but who can get their hands on enough quantity to build a desktop line around it?

 

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Yes it did occur to me. But I find it weird, for a company that has about 70% of the GPU market releases GPP, that can potentially harm the competition.

Not all vendors require high end. And I'm sure AMD's CPU/GPU fusion CPU will do alright.

Listen, I'm all for fair competition. And to me anyway, GPP is anything but. This branding thing is troublesome. There's already MSI, ASUS and Gigabyte with AMD GPU products that are generic and plain looking.

Surely you must find this weird?

 

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Yes it did occur to me. But I find it weird, for a company that has about 70% of the GPU market releases GPP, that can potentially harm the competition.

Not all vendors require high end. And I'm sure AMD's CPU/GPU fusion CPU will do alright.

Listen, I'm all for fair competition. And to me anyway, GPP is anything but. This branding thing is troublesome. There's already MSI, ASUS and Gigabyte with AMD GPU products that are generic and plain looking.

Surely you must find this weird?

You offered to show me what's wrong with GPP and ended up telling me you find it weird and asking me if I find it weird, too? Nice.

 

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You offered to show me what's wrong with GPP and ended up telling me you find it weird and asking me if I find it weird, too? Nice.

Correct, I showed you what is wrong with GPP. It's anti consumerism. This was already discussed and proven as factual. As you can see by the Generic Brands all of a sudden by ASUS, Gigabyte & MSI. GPP holding them by the Balls don't ya think. If that isn't evident enough, what is.

FYI, I am Brand Agnostic. I own Intel, AMD & Nvidia products. After this stunt by Nvidia, I won't be buying their products any longer. All while recommending just that to family and friends.

 

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Correct, I showed you what is wrong with GPP. It's anti consumerism. This was already discussed and proven as factual. As you can see by the Generic Brands all of a sudden by ASUS, Gigabyte & MSI. GPP holding them by the Balls don't ya think. If that isn't evident enough, what is.

FYI, I am Brand Agnostic. I own Intel, AMD & Nvidia products. After this stunt by Nvidia, I won't be buying their products any longer. All while recommending just that to family and friends.

Nope, you showed me what you find weird about it. And you only find that weird because you discarded my take on it.

Also, despite you being unable to quote one line in GPP that's anti-consumer, you still have no problem writing "This was already discussed and proven as factual". As a descendant of Plato, I'd hope you'd be a bit more rigorous than that.

 

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Nope, you showed me what you find weird about it. And you only find that weird because you discarded my take on it.

Also, despite you being unable to quote one line in GPP that's anti-consumer, you still have no problem writing "This was already discussed and proven as factual". As a descendant of Plato, I'd hope you'd be a bit more rigorous than that.

Did you miss my post? Seems so. Right from Nvidia's blog. If you can't see Anti Consumerism in GPP, then this discussion is over. There's no point in furthering it.
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Here's Nvidia's domain about GPP which is a blatant lie.
Here's the Statement """GeForce Partner Program Helps Gamers Know What They're Buying"

Nvidia claims the program isn’t exclusive, yet the agreement asks for exclusivity with a partner’s main gaming brand. Nvidia claims partners can stop participating at any time, but in reality if they do, they will put themselves in a disadvantageous position. Nvidia claims the program is about transparency, but no one is saying which companies are part of the GPP. "

 

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No No, GPP is cleverly orchestrated that goes beyond the discrete GPU. I can get into more details if you like.

Yes stick to Sapphire, XFX and Powercolor. To name a few. And boycott ASUS, Gigabyte and MSI.

Did you miss my post? Seems so. Right from Nvidia's blog. If you can't see Anti Consumerism in GPP, then this discussion is over. There's no point in furthering it.
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Here's Nvidia's domain about GPP which is a blatant lie.
Here's the Statement """GeForce Partner Program Helps Gamers Know What They're Buying"

You just had to make sure Plato turns in his grave.

Nvidia claims the program isn’t exclusive, yet the agreement asks for exclusivity with a partner’s main gaming brand.

Nvidia claims partners can stop participating at any time, but in reality if they do, they will put themselves in a disadvantageous position. Nvidia claims the program is about transparency, but no one is saying which companies are part of the GPP. "

How do you know Nvidia asks for what you say it asks?
I don't have the terms of GPP, all I have is Kyle's statement:

The crux of the issue with NVIDIA GPP comes down to a single requirement in order to be part of GPP. In order to have access to the GPP program, its partners must have its "Gaming Brand Aligned Exclusively With GeForce." I have read documents with this requirement spelled out on it.

It doesn't say "main gaming brand" and it doesn't say "only gaming brand" in there. So what on Earth are we talking about here?

 

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On Nvidia's official Blog Site. Though it seems some pertinent info which i was discussing about, was conveniently removed or deleted. But of course it was lol, when a company is caught red handed, they will do anything to hide the truth.

 

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Digitimes: Gaming PC makers adjusting strategies under Nvidia GPP initiative

The sources said the GPP is an initiative to bridge the gap between Nvidia and the companies that make add-in cards or systems based on its tech. But GPP partners are required to have all their gaming devices fitted with Nvidia's GeForce GPUs before they can enjoy a spate of incentives from Nvidia, including free marketing publicity, early access to Nvidia's latest innovations, and working closely with its engineering team to bring the newest technologies to gamers.

 

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Digitimes: Gaming PC makers adjusting strategies under Nvidia GPP initiative

If that is really in the GPP, I expect courts will have no problem shooting it down. Worldwide.
Not only would that be pretty stupid, but unnecessary to begin with. I mean, Nvidia could get their hands on >70% of the market while builders make cards for both sides, what exactly is the end game here? Because even if they manage to get >90% of the market, they'd become a monopoly and be subjected to all kinds of legal supervision.

Edit: Don't burn me to the stake, I'm not saying that isn't in the GPP. I'm just saying it seems like a really poor move to me.

 

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If that is really in the GPP, I expect courts will have no problem shooting it down. Worldwide.
Not only would that be pretty stupid, but unnecessary to begin with. I mean, Nvidia could get their hands on >70% of the market while builders make cards for both sides, what exactly is the end game here? Because even if they manage to get >90% of the market, they'd become a monopoly and be subjected to all kinds of legal supervision.

Edit: Don't burn me to the stake, I'm not saying that isn't in the GPP. I'm just saying it seems like a really poor move to me.

Gets wood ready ...

Agreed: it's a stupid move and it should bite them in the rear, assuming it's indeed true.

 

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If that is really in the GPP, I expect courts will have no problem shooting it down. Worldwide.
Not only would that be pretty stupid, but unnecessary to begin with. I mean, Nvidia could get their hands on >70% of the market while builders make cards for both sides, what exactly is the end game here? Because even if they manage to get >90% of the market, they'd become a monopoly and be subjected to all kinds of legal supervision.

Edit: Don't burn me to the stake, I'm not saying that isn't in the GPP. I'm just saying it seems like a really poor move to me.

Even if Nvidia is sued for being a monopoly, does it really matter? Intel pretty much had a monopoly for 10 years. The US government did nothing and they still have yet to pay their EU fine, which was only a fraction of the money they squeeze out of the market.

I highly doubt the US government will do anything, they are insanely pro big corporations. Heck, the companies and CEOs pay a lower tax rate than a middle class American. The amount of wealth held by the 1% was extremely bad before their tax cut, after it's a plutocracy. Trickle down economics is just a renamed economics system that's been in place since the age of monarchs.

Even if the EU fines them, it will be too little too late. The amount Nvidia could make will likely far exceed any fine.

 

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Even if Nvidia is sued for being a monopoly, does it really matter? Intel pretty much had a monopoly for 10 years. The US government did nothing and they still have yet to pay their EU fine, which was only a fraction of the money they squeeze out of the market.

I highly doubt the US government will do anything, they are insanely pro big corporations. Heck, the companies and CEOs pay a lower tax rate than a middle class American. The amount of wealth held by the 1% was extremely bad before their tax cut, after it's a plutocracy. Trickle down economics is just a renamed economics system that's been in place since the age of monarchs.

Even if the EU fines them, it will be too little too late. The amount Nvidia could make will likely far exceed any fine.

You don't get sued for being a monopoly. It's not illegal. But you become subject of additional oversight, because you don't have competition to keep you in check any longer. And that oversight is never pretty.

 

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Did it ever occur to you AMD lagging in perf/W for years might have something to do with them not being the first choice when building a laptop?

Did you check how 2500u, 2700u perform?
Any metric: raw CPU perf, raw GPU perf, cpu perf/watt, gpu perf/watt?

Where are the AMD laptops?

This shit is making life of an underdog, who's fighting an uphill battle, even harder, by misusing dominant market position.

I hope they get Huang's arse spanked by, at least, EU, for all this shit.

You don't get sued for being a monopoly. It's not illegal.

Yeah, sort of: Breakup of the Bell System

But we are not talking merely about a monopoly, we are using about monopoly misusing it's position to harm competition, so it's not even relevant.

 

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6 posts above in a row state my point exactly. Nvidia is hurting fair competition and for what? They already dominate in the GPU market. How to stop this greedy company? Simply not buy anything with an Nvidia logo. GPP is a complete ripoff and strongly promotes Anti Consumerism.

And as I said about Nvidia's official Blog Site, they deleted a very important part of the article about GPP. I wish I print screened it.

 

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WhyCry from VideoCardz has dug up a rumor of a new ASUS GPU brand:

For now, this is just a rumor, but our information comes directly from ASUS. Apparently, ASUS will launch a new AREZ brand for Radeon series. These cards will not carry any ROG branding. In fact, they might even lose ASUS branding altogether.

https://videocardz.com/75783/nvidia-gpp-meet-asus-arez-radeon-series

GPP just keeps getting worse and worse ...

P.S: "No problems here" from the usual suspects incoming in 1, 2, 3 ...

 

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WhyCry from VideoCardz has dug up a rumor of a new ASUS GPU brand:



https://videocardz.com/75783/nvidia-gpp-meet-asus-arez-radeon-series

GPP just keeps getting worse and worse ...

P.S: "No problems here" from the usual suspects incoming in 1, 2, 3 ...

Exactly, yet some think otherwise for some reason. This gpp is NOT at good thing at all.

 

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It would be hilarious if the manufacturers that associated themselves with GPP were hit in sales volume over this and the icing on the cake would be for the EU / who-ever-else fine nVidia AND the manufacturers for monopolistic practices.

Not gonna happen, for the most part, but it would one heck of a "karma" if it did.

 

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It would be hilarious if the manufacturers that associated themselves with GPP were hit in sales volume over this and the icing on the cake would be for the EU / who-ever-else fine nVidia AND the manufacturers for monopolistic practices.

Not gonna happen, for the most part, but it would one heck of a "karma" if it did.

If there's anything illegal in GPP, I think it's Nvidia that will be taken to court. It's hard to go after manufacturers when they're virtually all based in China and Taiwan

 

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If there's anything illegal in GPP, I think it's Nvidia that will be taken to court. It's hard to go after manufacturers when they're virtually all based in China and Taiwan

If there's anything illegal, the manufactures are enabling nVidia by agreeing to GPP. That makes them guilty as well, IMO: not to the same extent, but guilty non the less.

 

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If there's anything illegal, the manufactures are enabling nVidia by agreeing to GPP. That makes them guilty as well, IMO: not to the same extent, but guilty non the less.

Pray tell, how would Portugal punish AsusTek Taiwan for signing a document in Taiwan?