Old PC Stopped Booting, Please Help

[lexluthermiester]

It won't run the 64-bit version of Windows 10,

Says who? The Athlon 64 X2 is a 64bit CPU and it will run any 64bit variant of Windows, Linux, BSD, etc...

or bad caps on the mobo

The caps look fine. It could be the CPU or RAM.

 

[SPDIF]

The caps look fine. It could be the CPU or RAM.

Yes but sometimes caps are bad, you don't always see something on them. Happens many times in all kind of Power Supply's. Heating them up with a hair dryer is a good known trick to find out if caps are bad. They are dried out and heating them up makes the left over electrolyte to solid again and sometimes a PS then work again. But nevertheless they have to be replaced in that case.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes but sometimes caps are bad, you don't always see something on them.

Under them though. None of them look like they're leaking. Those caps should at least get to a boot screen if everything else is working. Hell, I've seen blown, leaking caps that still work well enough to get a post screen. Electrolytic capacitors are not like other electronic parts where they either work or not work. They can be badly degraded and still work well enough to function.

 

[SPDIF]

Yes i know, but even then they still can be bad. If the power supply have enough power to regulate, then that bad caps can work yes that's right.

But okay a new PS will do the trick here i think.

 

[DaemonForce]

I run a similar system: Athlon 64 2650e, 2GB DDR2-800, nVidia 6150SE and it is WORK to setup but it goes BRRR.
Shipped with Win7 x64, now runs 2016 Core. There's no reason the dual core version of this chip won't handle 64-bit.
It will definitely have issues with Hyper-V and containers but that's all. You've either got bad caps or power delivery issues.

 

[R-T-B]

Says who? The Athlon 64 X2 is a 64bit CPU and it will run any 64bit variant of Windows, Linux, BSD, etc...

Microsoft. The early AMD 64-bits lacked needed instructions for 8.1+.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Microsoft. The early AMD 64-bits lacked needed instructions for 8.1+.

I have personally installed Windows 10 64bit on to a system with an X4 variant of that same series of chip. If microsoft has stated it shouldn't work, then this will be yet another example of them saying something and it having absolutely ZERO bearing on reality.

The ATX12V1 only puts out 9 volts

I might have missed this post. There's your problem. Your PSU is having issues. Luckily, that series of PC takes a standard ATX power supply. Buying a good one for that system should not be difficult or expensive.

f theres 4 wires 2 black 2 yellow wouldn't it be 18 volts if they both put out 9 volts or do batteries only do this?

It's not quiet as simple as that. But it can work that way, yes. However, you DON'T want to go crossing any wires. That would be very bad.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I have personally installed Windows 10 64bit on to a system with an X4 variant of that same series of chip. If microsoft has stated it shouldn't work, then this will be yet another example of them saying something and it having absolutely ZERO bearing on reality.


I might have missed this post. There's your problem. Your PSU is having issues. Luckily, that series of PC takes a standard ATX power supply. Buying a good one for that system should not be difficult or expensive.


It's not quiet as simple as that. But it can work that way, yes. However, you DON'T want to go crossing any wires. That would be very bad.

Athlon X4's are just Phenom X4's with the L3 cache disabled, both Phenom and Phenom II are based out of K10 microarchitecture, they'll run Windows, although most games are no longer compatible with them due to SSSE3 and SSE4.1 being unsupported.

K8 Athlon 64 and 64 FX's seem to be a minefield on whether they can boot and run 8.1 and newer, seems like none on socket 754 and earlier 939's don't run it, but like I mentioned on earlier post, it's explicitly in the system requirements (CMPXCHG, LAHF/SAHF, PrefetchW) and the OS will not install and boot on some of the earlier AMD64 CPUs because they're missing one or the other to an extent

 

[jesdals]

With old machines I often start with a new battery on the motherboard - they can make all kind of problems with low wattage

 

[P4-630]

vattage

Wattage perhaps..

 

[lexluthermiester]

Athlon X4's are just Phenom X4's with the L3 cache disabled, both Phenom and Phenom II are based out of K10 microarchitecture, they'll run Windows, although most games are no longer compatible with them due to SSSE3 and SSE4.1 being unsupported.

K8 Athlon 64 and 64 FX's seem to be a minefield on whether they can boot and run 8.1 and newer, seems like none on socket 754 and earlier 939's don't run it, but like I mentioned on earlier post, it's explicitly in the system requirements (CMPXCHG, LAHF/SAHF, PrefetchW) and the OS will not install and boot on some of the earlier AMD64 CPUs because they're missing one or the other to an extent

I think this calls for some experimentation. Wish I had an AthlonX2 to play with so we could test this..

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Idk you probably know more then me

That Vista sticker indicates 2006 or 2007 most likely.

Yes CPU is beside the motherboard

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2006, week 33.

Well it's running ddr2 ram


Heres video too, it may not load tho

Looks like MOSFET failure is highly likely! If tested with another PSU!
However, since one late-summer day in 2022, I never even saw my MSI B450 Tomahawk get that far, I never even saw anything light up for a split second.
RIP MSI B450 Tomahawk: January 3, 2020 (purchased) - late-August, 2022

 

[Dr. Dro]

I think this calls for some experimentation. Wish I had an AthlonX2 to play with so we could test this..

It'll BSOD with "UNSUPPORTED_PROCESSOR" if you attempt to install. This only concerns Athlon 64, 64 X2 and 64 FX CPUs dated 2003 between and 2005 afaik

 

[sambam]

imho I would buy the cheapest Computer on Facebook Marketplace with windoze 10 already installed.
That swell old XP is not worth fixing even for nostalgia . IF you wanna play old xp games I think there is software emulators
I have 2 old XP computers but it would cost too much to mail you one.
BTW a new Power Supply wont have the correct cables for your HP, I believe its just dead

 

[HD64G]

From my small experience with old PCs, the first component that fails is PSU. If PSU works well, the motherboard is the next most possible cause. The next suspect is RAM which most usually fails in the first few years or lives more than everything but the CPU.

 

[SPDIF]

A stable computer starts with a good PS, but unfortunately i see more and more people that try to save costs on the PS, while using a heavy video-card or CPU in the system.
And then they have all sorts of weird problems, BSOD and so on... They give more then 1500 dollar for a video-card and then take a PS from not even 100 Dollar.

 

[R-T-B]

I have personally installed Windows 10 64bit on to a system with an X4 variant of that same series of chip. If microsoft has stated it shouldn't work, then this will be yet another example of them saying something and it having absolutely ZERO bearing on reality.

It has bearing. It was a thing with Socket 939 chips. I know because I ran into it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It'll BSOD with "UNSUPPORTED_PROCESSOR" if you attempt to install. This only concerns Athlon 64, 64 X2 and 64 FX CPUs dated 2003 between and 2005 afaik

It has bearing. It was a thing with Socket 939 chips. I know because I ran into it.

I looked into this today. You guys are right, I was wrong and concede.

 

[sLowEnd]

I think this calls for some experimentation. Wish I had an AthlonX2 to play with so we could test this..

I don't have an older Athlon 64 to test with, but I do have a Brisbane (K8, AM2, 65nm) based one.
Here's Windows 10 Home running with an Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I don't have an older Athlon 64 to test with, but I do have a Brisbane (K8, AM2, 65nm) based one.
Here's Windows 10 Home running with an Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition.

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The Brisbane core was newer, maybe that's the one I was thinking of. Generational change thing then?

EDIT:
TPU's spec page shows several different versions of the Athlon 64 X2. I'm thinking there were some generational shenanigans going on back then...

TechPowerUp

CPU database with latest specifications for processors launched in recent years. Includes clocks, photos, and compatibility info.

www.techpowerup.com

Is it possible that some of them were compatible and some were not? I'm suspecting some are..

 

[sLowEnd]

The Brisbane core was newer, maybe that's the one I was thinking of. Generational change thing then?

EDIT:
TPU's spec page shows several different versions of the Athlon 64 X2. I'm thinking there were some generational shenanigans going on back then...

TechPowerUp

CPU database with latest specifications for processors launched in recent years. Includes clocks, photos, and compatibility info.

www.techpowerup.com

Is it possible that some of them were compatible and some were not? I'm suspecting some are..

As far as what's relevant for the OP (since their board is AM2), there's just the 90nm Windsor core and the 65nm Brisbane. I'm not aware of any instruction differences between the two, but I do know (edit: some of the higher end) Windsor has more L2 cache than Brisbane (2x1MB vs 2x512KB), so back in the day some people sought those instead of Brisbane.

Edit2: Just subjectively speaking, my poor old Athlon is have a heck of a struggle trying to run Windows 10. Even if the OP were to get it installed, I doubt he would actually want to use the thing. Maybe it's the updates it's trying very hard to digest, but somehow I doubt it'll be smooth even when the updates are all done. I'll post a follow up later when it's done.

 

[DaemonForce]

but I do have a Brisbane (K8, AM2, 65nm) based one.
Here's Windows 10 Home running with an Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Black Edition.

Ayo? Is that Hyper-V capable? Maybe containers? Might be a nice antique gem that still holds a modern day purpose.
These things are typically married to a board with an insufferable nForce4 chipset so maxing the loadout just isn't worth it.

 

[sLowEnd]

Ayo? Is that Hyper-V capable? Maybe containers? Might be a nice antique gem that still holds a modern day purpose.
These things are typically married to a board with an insufferable nForce4 chipset so maxing the loadout just isn't worth it.

I don't personally use Hyper-V, but from what I gather here (systeminfo.exe in command prompt), it doesn't tick all of the checkboxes

Edit2: Just subjectively speaking, my poor old Athlon is have a heck of a struggle trying to run Windows 10. Even if the OP were to get it installed, I doubt he would actually want to use the thing. Maybe it's the updates it's trying very hard to digest, but somehow I doubt it'll be smooth even when the updates are all done. I'll post a follow up later when it's done.

After hours to finish updates, it's still bad.

(Using Firefox) It can browse these forums and the main site's reviews tolerably (takes between 1-4 whole seconds to load pages depending on page content)

It takes several seconds to load pages on Youtube. Using HWU's latest 6500XT video as a test, 720p with any sort of action going on (e.g. gameplay clips) stutters badly, but low action is smooth (e.g. bar graph sections). 1080p is a major stutterfest regardless of what's going on in the video, which surprised me a bit since I expected the 8800 GT to help it out a bit more there. Apparently it doesn't. 480p and below play perfectly, at least.

Edit: I think I've got it. Youtube isn't giving me avc1 (h.264) videos like they did a couple years ago, only VP9 videos, which the 8800 GT definitely doesn't help with.

+: More testing. Watching Twitch streams in 1080p is impossible, 720p is almost smooth with some dropped frames. To the best of my knowledge, Twitch streams use avc1 still, so I'm not entirely sure why the playback experience still isn't helped here by the graphics card.

It was fun to see what this old hardware can do, but this thing is definitely going back to being a Windows XP machine. lol

 

[QuietBob]

I don't personally use Hyper-V, but from what I gather here (systeminfo.exe in command prompt), it doesn't tick all of the checkboxes

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After hours to finish updates, it's still bad.

(Using Firefox) It can browse these forums and the main site's reviews tolerably (takes between 1-4 whole seconds to load pages depending on page content)

It takes several seconds to load pages on Youtube. Using HWU's latest 6500XT video as a test, 720p with any sort of action going on (e.g. gameplay clips) stutters badly, but low action is smooth (e.g. bar graph sections). 1080p is a major stutterfest regardless of what's going on in the video, which surprised me a bit since I expected the 8800 GT to help it out a bit more there. Apparently it doesn't. 480p and below play perfectly, at least.

Edit: I think I've got it. Youtube isn't giving me avc1 (h.264) videos like they did a couple years ago, only VP9 videos, which the 8800 GT definitely doesn't help with.

+: More testing. Watching Twitch streams in 1080p is impossible, 720p is almost smooth with some dropped frames. To the best of my knowledge, Twitch streams use avc1 still, so I'm not entirely sure why the playback experience still isn't helped here by the graphics card.

It was fun to see what this old hardware can do, but this thing is definitely going back to being a Windows XP machine. lol

Do you have an SSD in that system? Also, having more RAM should help with Win10.

Regarding video acceleration, the 8800GT has a PureVideo HD 2 (VP2) SIP core with VDPAU Feature Set A. It can decode up to AVC/H.264. You would need at least a GTX950 (Maxwell GM206) with Feature Set F for VP9 support.

Twitch have been experimenting with VP9 since late 2022. Not sure whether it's been fully implemented yet.

 

[sLowEnd]

Do you have an SSD in that system? Also, having more RAM should help with Win10.

Regarding video acceleration, the 8800GT has a PureVideo HD 2 (VP2) SIP core with VDPAU Feature Set A. It can decode up to AVC/H.264. You would need at least a GTX950 (Maxwell GM206) with Feature Set F for VP9 support.

Twitch have been experimenting with VP9 since late 2022. Not sure whether it's been fully implemented yet.

In hindsight, I probably should have used an SSD, yeah. I have an old 240GB HyperX lying around, but I was too lazy to move parts, so it was done on a 1TB WD Black HDD I had in the system already. The main intent initially was just to see if it could install at all.

I could get more RAM, but I don't think I'm willing to source more old DDR2 RAM for what's ultimately going to return to running a 32-bit OS anyway

Anyway, I don't want to veer off topic too much