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PC Build for Architecture/Designer 2020

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  • BUDGET: 2500 US$
  • PURPOSE OF THE BUILD: Revit Architecture, AutoCad, 3D Max, Lumion, V Ray (Sketch UP), Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, Premier Pro, Sketch UP
  • ITEMS YOU NEED/ALREADY HAVE: CPU: Ryzen 3900x or 3950x ? RTX 2070 Super or RTX 2080 Super ? or maybe Single high core and Nvidia QUADRO ?
  • OVERCLOCK OR NOT: Maybe a little boost but generally not.

So trying to build up a new PC for my student friend in architecture and designing. He has just started to work on projects and novice in all those programs and spare part details.
Kindly asking you to give experienced advices. This PC is going to be used for 4-5 years. This budget is just for spare parts excluding monitor and periphery.

Thank you.
 
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  • BUDGET: 2500$
  • PURPOSE OF THE BUILD: Revit Architecture, AutoCad, 3D Max, Lumion, V Ray (Sketch UP), Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, Premier Pro, Sketch UP
  • ITEMS YOU NEED/ALREADY HAVE: CPU: Ryzen 3900x or 3950x ? RTX 2070 Super or RTX 2080 Super ? or maybe Single high core and Nvidia QUADRO ?
  • OVERCLOCK OR NOT: Maybe a little boost but generally not.

So trying to build up a new PC for my student friend in architecture and designing. He has just started to work on projects and novice in all those programs and spare part details.
Kindly asking you to give experienced advices. This PC is going to be used for 4-5 years. This budget is just for spare parts excluding monitor and periphery.

Thank you.
What currency is the $$$ ? as you don't have a location in you profile.

regards
 
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I suggest you go to https://www.pugetsystems.com/ and look at their recommendations for the different applications that he is wanting to use. Then give us a better idea, or a "build something like...".
 
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You'd preferable want to wait for Ryzen 5000 series and see how they perform in the application you use. Also the 3070 is much better than a 2070 super for around the same cost. Assuming you don't already own a cpu/gpu.
 

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You'd preferable want to wait for Ryzen 5000 series and see how they perform in the application you use. Also the 3070 is much better than a 2070 super for around the same cost. Assuming you don't already own a cpu/gpu.
Yes they are good but we don't know when they coming out. Time is passing and we need to live and work today.
So I was thinking Ryzen 3 3900x or 3950x and RTX 2080.
 
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They come out November 5th with the 3070 out tomorrow
 
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and will be sold out in one single day:laugh:
More like an hour or even less if the stock isn't good enough, having said that I know people while enthusiastic about zen3 aren't really lining to buy them up. At least not as much as the hype was for zen2, I'd say if you are on the dot at launch you may well snag it online.
 
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Well, I work with most of those apps you listed + BlueBeam Revu/Studio & Navisworks, and here are my work machine's specs:

i7-9700k o/c to 5.1GHZ with Corsair H115i Pro AIO and ML fans in push/pull
64GB (4x 16) Samsung B-die ram
Nvidia Quadro 4 GB GPU
Z390 mobo
2x 2TB WD SN750 m.2's + 4TB WD Black SSD internal + gobs of cloud storage on a 10G connected server farm

And I can tell you in no uncertain terms that these rigs struggle with rendering 3D models in real time, especially when importing/exporting changes & updates to the projects, and several of these apps are being used together.....

After proving our case with the IT Director, we have already ordered/will order the parts for several 5950x/X570/BigNavi builds whenever they become available...since intelli-notta aint givin us nuthin but pee-wee upgrade paths for the next 2-3 years :)
 
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Well, I work with most of those apps you listed + BlueBeam Revu/Studio & Navisworks, and here are my work machine's specs:

i7-9700k o/c to 5.1GHZ with Corsair H115i Pro AIO and ML fans in push/pull
64GB (4x 16) Samsung B-die ram
Nvidia Quadro 4 GB GPU
Z390 mobo
2x 2TB WD SN750 m.2's + 4TB WD Black SSD internal + gobs of cloud storage on a 10G connected server farm

And I can tell you in no uncertain terms that these rigs struggle with rendering 3D models in real time, especially when importing/exporting changes & updates to the projects, and several of these apps are being used together.....

After proving our case with the IT Director, we have already ordered/will order the parts for several 5950x/X570/BigNavi builds whenever they become available...since intelli-notta aint givin us nuthin but pee-wee upgrade paths for the next 2-3 years :)
What do you wish you were getting? Not pie in the sky, but what's a realistic ideal build?
DDR-2400?????
 
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Before you get more bad advice, I'd highly recommend you actually figure out what you NEED and what you DON'T. Quadro GPUs have certain settings in the Nvidia Control Panel that enable specific things with those programs, same goes for AMD. If you're so desperate that you need to buy now, I can also tell you that you will LOSE more time and money by putting your work to inferior gear in the long run.
 

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Thank you for your all advices. Now I have dilemma between Ryzen 5 5600x or Ryzen 9 3900x ? But if I pick 5600x than I will get RTX 3070.

What do you think for those CPU ?
 
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Bloody hell that's some serious dough to blow on a student's computer. You can get most engineering productivity done on machinery with one tenth of that horsepower, I know because I've been through mechanical engineering university and worked as a graduate on some very paltry computers (e.g. Core i5 760 with Quadro 600....in 2018). Just saying.

The Ryzen 5 5600X is the most sensible choice for providing the best performance and value in the long term. Single core performance is beneficial in practically every productivity and gaming task. Quadros are traditionally used for productivity but they offer no perceptible performance advantages over traditional gaming GPUs, plus you have to pay through the nose if you want a Quadro that can play games too. Similar story with ECC memory, it's a huge expense for no meaningful return.

You can look at the specs of my rig and see that I don't have any special gear to get my engineering work done. Plenty powerful enough for CAD and simulations.
 
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You're deluded if you think quadro cards offer no perceptible performance advantage. In professional software quadro drivers are specifically written to be around 2-3x faster than similar geforce silicone. Look up some benchmarks before talking out of your ass.
 
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You're deluded if you think quadro cards offer no perceptible performance advantage. In professional software quadro drivers are specifically written to be around 2-3x faster than similar geforce silicone. Look up some benchmarks before talking out of your ass.
Actually there are apps that make use of those drivers, and those that mostly just care about raw power. The research is up to you to make. They're charging you enormous amounts for really some more options in the NVCP and drivers coded for professional usage. It's a market and you're the consumer, let you be professional or amateur. It's similar to buying a gaming PC without doing your research and doing research, except price is concerned, you get ripped off even more on the professional end.
 

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However my local pc store giving me an option in building my configuration. So please help me to pick:

1)Ryzen 5 5600X + RTX 3070 (only in such bundle)

or

2)Ryzen 9 3900X + RTX 2070/2080 Super



So should I pick first option and have a middle CPU with an opportunity to upgrade to 5900X in future but with decent GPU

or should I pick a second option with powerful CPU but a middle GPU with opportunity to upgrade it in next year. However the second option will be more expensive than the first one lol
 
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You're deluded if you think quadro cards offer no perceptible performance advantage. In professional software quadro drivers are specifically written to be around 2-3x faster than similar geforce silicone. Look up some benchmarks before talking out of your ass.
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3399-best-workstation-gpus-2018-for-adobe-premiere-autocad-vray-and-more

Again there's no perceptible performance advantages. AutoCAD, PTC Creo, Solidworks, Maya.....they all scale with the standard graphics card performance hierarchy and the Quadros don't have any meaningful edge in performance. Let alone justify the price premium. It's a fool's errand for a student. Any gaming GeForce or Radeon graphics card will do just fine for productivity and have the additional benefit of great gaming performance when all the work is done.
 
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problems is geforce isnt anywhere in the list of supported gpus and driver version for creo for example
and if you have problem running opneGL app on geforce drivers and ask for help support will tell you "you are using unsupported hardware gtfo".
OP's software package is all over the place with some of the software requiring gaming card and some of it requiring workstation cards so it is really hard to make proper recommendation.
best choice would be radeon pro duo, vega frontier edtion but they either not available or cost arm and leg or titans that arent exactly cheap either.

since pc will be used from student that is just starting i'd try to find cheapest firepro or quadro with 4-8gb ram but not more then 350$ and use it till he have good impression on which software he is using most and then decide which card will give him best productivity.

btw this gamersnexus test is useless. at least for engineering software.
 
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