Performance Issue - WoW - 100% HDD Usage - Laggy

[Calebe Costa]

that ram looks good, and is quite low voltage - it will run cold and should live for a long time.

samsung SSD's have a really good reputation as one of the most reliable SSD's on the market just pick the one that suits you best for size and budget.

Is there any difference on 256mb cache of 120gb evo and the 512mb cache of 250gb evo? Is that even noticiable?

 

[Dent1]

Is there any difference on 256mb cache of 120gb evo and the 512mb cache of 250gb evo? Is that even noticiable?

The main benefit of a SSD is the latency, read and write performance, not the cache. IMO it won't make a noticeable difference, but you can find a review for that specific answer.

I personally wouldn't touch any 120GB SSD for capacity reasons. Install the OS, a couple of applications and a couple of games and its full. It's not very practical. I wouldn't get an SSD less than 400GB.

 

[Mussels]

Is there any difference on 256mb cache of 120gb evo and the 512mb cache of 250gb evo? Is that even noticiable?

not that you'd notice - it just needs more cache since its a bigger drive.

 

[Calebe Costa]

I'n just extremally impressed about The G3258 + z97 bundle. Very affordable and playable. WoW doesn't require much threading, so this dual core should handle well.

 

[Mussels]

I'n just extremally impressed about The G3258 + z97 bundle. Very affordable and playable. WoW doesn't require much threading, so this dual core should handle well.

that chip is well known as being terrible for gaming. its purely for overclocking for the fun of it.

 

[...PACMAN...]

that chip is well known as being terrible for gaming. its purely for overclocking for the fun of it.

Say what now? I have played pretty much everything at 1080p without a hitch with a lowly G3258 at stock and a 650ti boost. Far Cry 4 with dual core injector runs smooth as butter. Overclocked it's an even better experience. Some of those early reviews with the chip that stated frame latency issues have just flat out been proven wrong now with better graphics drivers and workarounds really making it a smooth experience overall.

 

[Mussels]

Say what now? I have played pretty much everything at 1080p without a hitch with a lowly G3258 at stock and a 650ti boost. Far Cry 4 with dual core injector runs smooth as butter. Overclocked it's an even better experience. Some of those early reviews with the chip that stated frame latency issues have just flat out been proven wrong now with better graphics drivers and workarounds really making it a smooth experience overall.

i stand by what i said. your 650 ti is considered quite weak by todays standards, so having a weak CPU and weak GPU work toghether doesn't mean they're high performance by any stretch. the OP's i7 will destroy that chip.

 

[...PACMAN...]

i stand by what i said. your 650 ti is considered quite weak by todays standards, so having a weak CPU and weak GPU work toghether doesn't mean they're high performance by any stretch. the OP's i7 will destroy that chip.

Exactly, which is what I thought when I built this budget system. Unfortunately it's playing a lot of stuff smoother than people with so called super rigs. Winning.

 

[Mussels]

they might make nice budget gamers, but its a downgrade for the OP and will not resolve his performance issues.

 

[m&m's]

Keep your i7 860, to go from what you have to a G3258 is a downgrade . 4C/8T vs 2C/2T. The G3258 @ stock speed is a slow moderfuker CPU, it starts to live once it hits 4GHz+. Better just O/C your i7 and buy RAM.
Since you game with a HD 5770 you wont see any difference playing WoW going from a i7 860 to a G3258 but you'll notice it with everything else. Slower extractions, slower encoding, slower everything that needs threads.

With a GTX Titan.

 

[...PACMAN...]

they might make nice budget gamers, but its a downgrade for the OP and will not resolve his performance issues.

Agreed, I was just making a point that although not as powerful as the OP's chip they are in no shape or form "terrible for gaming".

 

[Dent1]

The OP's first priority should be a small upgrade consisting of:

More RAM (4GB to 8GB)
SSD to replace his disk drive
Replace that ancient 5770.

Doing the above should fix any graphic lag or disk related lag. The only other lag there could be is internet connection. Have you ran a speed test lately?

Edit: I have to agree with Mussels and m&m. Going from a i7 860 to a G3258 is a downgrade or at best a side grade. A GPU upgrade would give more FPS than CPU upgrade this should be more of a priority.

 

[Jetster]

For wow your CPU and board are fine. Go to 8 Gb ram and a new GPU wow requirements have changed. A R9 270 or 760 would do nicely. An SSD would not give you frame rates but load time would improve

 

[Calebe Costa]

Keep your i7 860, to go from what you have to a G3258 is a downgrade . 4C/8T vs 2C/2T. The G3258 @ stock speed is a slow moderfuker CPU, it starts to live once it hits 4GHz+. Better just O/C your i7 and buy RAM.
Since you game with a HD 5770 you wont see any difference playing WoW going from a i7 860 to a G3258 but you'll notice it with everything else. Slower extractions, slower encoding, slower everything that needs threads.

With a GTX Titan.

That's was exacly what i mean.

Doing some searchs yesterday, i discovered the G3258, and its potential about single core. My i7 is good for multi-thread, but for single core is very slow. WoW as i saw doesn't require much processor, but a good memory and a good VGA. So, this is my initial plan for a full upgrade. To have a G3258 i'll need to buy a 1150 Mobo that support the unlock potential of the CPU.

Since i just do these things on my computer (WoW, Dota 2, Youtube, Online stream videos, WEB Browsing, E-mail) i believe the i7 860 is a waste of horsepower, since i don't render, multitask etc.

So like i said in old posts i expect to have my new memories in 2015 since my auntie are going to Miami and Orlando on Dec-29, so she will buy @ TigerDirect.

With the memory almost ok, i want to continue the upgrade.

I just want to cry, that this website are doing this

http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/G3258Bundle.aspx 99 Bucks

(LoL i'm brazillian, no idea of what bucks means, just hear that on a movie)

So my auntie are going to MIA-MCO and a friend of mine are going to Vegas and Los Angeles, and there is no Microcenter Store on any of this cities. Even with taxes aplied here in Brazil this bundle are extremally cheap.

If some of you could do this charity, i can pay here and you send to my home

So to that bundle i'll need this:

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/...-hyper-tx3-evo-tx-3-intel-amd-novo-modelo-_JM

Why i found the G3258 attractive? Because of this:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html - 28th best single core cpu

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-950-vs-Intel-Pentium-G3258/617vs2434 - the 950 is way better than my cpu, and the g3258 slaughter it (Except in Multi-core)

Offcourse i'll never buy a r9 290x, but this showed me that processor is not THAT important. I know the most expensive upgrade will be the VGA. I'm thinking on gtx 760 or similar. No AMD because of power consumption.

In future i can upgrade the CPU because my MoBo will already be a 1150.

That's all my thoughts.

 

[Mussels]

thats OCd to 4.6GHz, which you're going to need to spend time, effort, and upgraded cooling to achieve.

 

[Dent1]

Calebe Costa

You've already made up your mind, so there is no point changing your mind.

But from an ethical standpoint I feel its worth reiterating that an upgrade from an i7 860 to G3258 is a bad choice.

Single threaded performance may be slightly better but not enough to justify the move. You will then trade slightly better single threaded performance for SIGNIFICANTLY less performance in every other area. Games are starting to utilise more threads so if you switch to a more modern game with an advanced game engine 9/10 the G3258 won't perform as well. You've basically downgraded for the sake of just World of Warcraft.

Your lag isn't CPU related its mainly because of your 5770 GPU and disk drive. If you really want to upgrade the CPU get the Intel Core i5/i7 4xxx

 

[eidairaman1]

Id go with a Low i5 or an upper i3 before a pentium/celeron

 

[Calebe Costa]

Calebe Costa

You've already made up your mind, so there is no point changing your mind.

But from an ethical standpoint I feel its worth reiterating that an upgrade from an i7 860 to G3258 is a bad choice.

Single threaded performance may be slightly better but not enough to justify the move. You will then trade slightly better single threaded performance for SIGNIFICANTLY less performance in every other area. Games are starting to utilise more threads so if you switch to a more modern game with an advanced game engine 9/10 the G3258 won't perform as well. You've basically downgraded for the sake of just World of Warcraft.

Your lag isn't CPU related its mainly because of your 5770 GPU and disk drive. If you really want to upgrade the CPU get the Intel Core i5/i7 4xxx

(I was browsing on my bios yestarday and saw the OC Tweak.

I changed the cpu to the next level. It was 3.6Ghz. After that i went in the temperature measure at bios and the temperature raised from 73°C to 88°C. When it was @ 88°C The computer shutted down.

I loaded the factory settings and everything was back in normal.)

I don't know if i'm not being clear since english is not my mothern language and i never studied writing english only conversation, but i can't do a future upgrade on the CPU if my moBo is a(an?) 1156 H55M-LE.

The "weakest" i5 4XXX is very expensive.

Look, this is the most cheap i5 1150 i've found: http://www.kabum.com.br/cgi-local/s... 1GHZ 3 3GHZ MAX TURBO LGA 1150 BX80646I54440

With that price i could buy the 1150 MoBo, the G3258 and the new cooler tx3.

The bundle mentioned before is the first step for the big upgrade.

I could sell my ASrock H55M-le, i7 860 and my Kingston 2x2GB 1333Mhz as a bundle and buy the new i5 1150.

I'm learning with you guys.

I understand the main problem will be resolved with a ssd, bigger memory and a new GPU.

I learned that are no gigantic gab between a(an?) 120GB and 250GB SSD. So the 120GB Evo is affordable, and now are in my buying list.

It's a temporary measure, for a big upgrade. I don't know if you readed previous commentaries, but my actual monitor is a(an?) 1366x760. Imagine if i buy a 1080p monitor? What future problems could i have?

It's step by step.

NOW if you are telling me that i can keep all this stuff and just buy the new Memories, SSD and a gtx 760. Is much more cheaper. I could buy the new cooler and oc from 2.8Ghz to 3.6Ghz (The maximum alowed is 4.2Ghz).

What do you think i forget the Mobo and CPU upgrades, and focus on these 4 items: Memory, SSD, GPU, Better Cooler for 3.6Ghz?

 

[Aquinus]

(I was browsing on my bios yestarday and saw the OC Tweak.

I changed the cpu to the next level. It was 3.6Ghz. After that i went in the temperature measure at bios and the temperature raised from 73°C to 88°C. When it was @ 88°C The computer shutted down.

I loaded the factory settings and everything was back in normal.)

I don't know if i'm not being clear since english is not my mothern language and i never studied writing english only conversation, but i can't do a future upgrade on the CPU if my moBo is a(an?) 1156 H55M-LE.

The "weakest" i5 4XXX is very expensive.

Look, this is the most cheap i5 1150 i've found: http://www.kabum.com.br/cgi-local/site/produtos/descricao.cgi?codigo=49433&origem=48&utm_source=ZOOM&utm_medium=COMPARADOR&utm_term=PROCESSADOR INTEL CORE I5 4440 6MB 3 1GHZ 3 3GHZ MAX TURBO LGA 1150 BX80646I54440&utm_content=INTEL&utm_campaign=PROCESSADOR INTEL CORE I5 4440 6MB 3 1GHZ 3 3GHZ MAX TURBO LGA 1150 BX80646I54440

With that price i could buy the 1150 MoBo, the G3258 and the new cooler tx3.

The bundle mentioned before is the first step for the big upgrade.

I could sell my ASrock H55M-le, i7 860 and my Kingston 2x2GB 1333Mhz as a bundle and buy the new i5 1150.

I'm learning with you guys.

I understand the main problem will be resolved with a ssd, bigger memory and a new GPU.

I learned that are no gigantic gab between a(an?) 120GB and 250GB SSD. So the 120GB Evo is affordable, and now are in my buying list.

It's a temporary measure, for a big upgrade. I don't know if you readed previous commentaries, but my actual monitor is a(an?) 1366x760. Imagine if i buy a 1080p monitor? What future problems could i have?

It's step by step.

NOW if you are telling me that i can keep all this stuff and just buy the new Memories, SSD and a gtx 760. Is much more cheaper. I could buy the new cooler and oc from 2.8Ghz to 3.6Ghz (The maximum alowed is 4.2Ghz).

What do you think i forget the Mobo and CPU upgrades, and focus on these 4 items: Memory, SSD, GPU, Better Cooler for 3.6Ghz?

Buy some memory and sit on the machine. You want to save more money to actually upgrade. I feel like a broken record.

 

[Calebe Costa]

Buy some memory and sit on the machine. You want to save more money to actually upgrade. I feel like a broken record.

lol memory is on the way. I was talking about next step.

 

[Aquinus]

lol memory is on the way. I was talking about next step.

Save some money, wait, then bask in the glory of a decent tower. If you do it a piece at a time you end up wasting money on the parts you end up replacing. All in all, if you do anything, upgrade the GPU. When you do the motherboard, you want to do a decent CPU at the same time. If you want to really save money, you'll upgrade and be done with it in one go (both the motherboard and cpu that is).

 

[Mussels]

Get the ram for now, and then sit on the machine.

Your next build should have:

A high clocked i3 or i5 (some i3's can be faster than the cheaper i5's)
Board that suits your budget and chosen CPU. you may not need to get a fancy board, as the motherboards do not affect performance - only features and overclocking.
re-use the ram?
new GPU + monitor (if you go 1080p)
SSD that fits windows and 1-2 of the games you plan - you can use programs like steam mover to move the games back and forth between SSD and mechanical.


If you get a chip with a decent turbo clock you can do what i've done, and lock the CPU to a higher multiplier. I did not need to spend lots of money on a high end board and an unlocked K series CPU

 

[Bachbaabach]

In the Video above pretty ragged movement is noticeable when the camera moves,
the processor is responsible for the sound in the game,
if option 2 processor is not allowed to postpone the upgrade, add to comparison 3, for example fx-8100,
a couple of days ago I tried the ultra is too much load on the computer, the recommended settings (and they painted for each setting) high, which is fine for me, left them unchanged.
Oh Yes I agree with Mussels, Aquinus do not continue with the upgrade, it is connected with the server somehow

 

[Calebe Costa]

I tried contact with TD and the support told me to do a phone call if the memory is avaiable:

"Hello,

Thank you for your e-mail.

We understand that you want to purchase this specific item in the local store, however for availability of this item as well as the alternative, you need to contact our local store. Listed below are phone numbers of our local stores in Florida.

>TigerDirect Flagler- (305) 415-2199
> TigerDirect-Aventura- (305) 914-1400
> TigerDirect-West Kendall- (305) 341-4400"

An international call could cost me a kidney. Any of you may check which memory 2x4Gb=8GB 1600Mhz CL8 or CL9 is avaiable on those stores? For CL8 i wuld prefer the Tactical Ballistix: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1880420&CatId=11478

And CL9 one could be of G.Skill. The price range is till $90.

Thanks.

Is there any other store in Miami or Orlando that does have Ram Memory for desktop? I'm not stucked at TD, i haven't found any other website that could provide the memory.

 

[Calebe Costa]

I just ran the test:

http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/110097