Phenom Is Not A Core 2 Killer

[mandelore]

lol yeah, I spent all afternoon trying to get this opty 185 from 2.9ghz normal oc to 3 and it just would not budge.

Out of curiosty... whats the "best" 775 motherboard available? is the x38 or summit the latest chipset?

I really havent got much of a clue about intel boards, I however, love Asus boards.

If i did, say, go with intel (cant help shuddering a wee bit) I would obviously have to cancel a pre order for the m3a32-mvp mobo. And when are the penrys released? coz i have a limited budget, albeit i saved up alot, and I have my current rig to sell, so im looking at around £700ish, already got my tracer ddr2 modules

Edit: does asus have the equivalent of the amd m3a32 in intel flavour, but with ddr2 support?

ASUS Maximus Formula Special Edition?

 

[theonetruewill]

lol yeah, I spent all afternoon trying to get this opty 185 from 2.9ghz normal oc to 3 and it just would not budge.

Out of curiosty... whats the "best" 775 motherboard available? is the x38 or summit the latest chipset?

I really havent got much of a clue about intel boards, I however, love Asus boards.

If i did, say, go with intel (cant help shuddering a wee bit) I would obviously have to cancel a pre order for the m3a32-mvp mobo. And when are the penrys released? coz i have a limited budget, albeit i saved up alot, and I have my current rig to sell, so im looking at around £700ish, already got my tracer ddr2 modules

I've heard nothing but good things about the Asus Maximus Formula (X38), as for Penryn's I don't know, sorry.

 

[AsRock]

I my self did not expect it be better just like the R600 i think the next lot well hope the next lot like the R700 will be upto par. Might have it together by then.

Maybe we get cheaper prices now ?

 

[DOM]

The rest of the Yorkfield's should be out in Jan 08

 

[mitsirfishi]

you could do a intel p4/pentium D complete failure run completely toasty not going to mention names Cough Prescott then while they where mass producing failure they had the ace of spades same with Nvidia with fx line sinse the 6 series of nvidia they have been alot more competitive and in quiet alot of cases faster than Ati and they are playing catch up now

all theories need to be proven and depends on the arcutecture of the chip aswell but im sure amd will have something to attempt to throw at intel like my ole amd 6000 is no faster than a e6600 at stock when she is at 3.6ghz then its bit quicker but my e6750 puts it shame

 

[theonetruewill]

Mandelore, why don't you get an E2140 and clock it to 3.0-3.3GHz to tide you over until Penryn arrives? Just my suggestion, the E2140's are great overclockers.

 

[TheMailMan78]

that a ruddy good point about china about to bend USA over and give it a good seeing too - economically GDP speaking here guys!

My company does a lot of business in China and abroad. The Chinese economy will not and can not continue at its current momentum. Communism is a joke and China will crash just like the USSR did in the 90's. They can barley feed their military now! A lot of people are hoping and wishing for the US economy to fail but thats not going to happen anytime soon. Unemployment is at an all time low and our economy is growing. War is the best business sadly. I honestly hope Russia keeps getting aggressive. Another cold war and we can pull out of the mid-east with absolutely no chance of a recession. GO USA!

 

[theonetruewill]

Mandelore - take a look at this.......

Ditch AMD, go Intel.

 

[Silverel]

I like AMD too man, but if this is true this is a substandard product compared to Intel. Let's put it this way, are you going to be the guy who puts his hard-earned cash forward for a product that's slower than another one that's cheaper, and overclocks worse...

Yes and no.

I'm waiting for the x3's. Just to be interesting.

By the time they come out, there will be enough am2+ boards on the market that I'll actually have choices too. Not to mention drivers on both GPU's and CPU's that aren't quite mature yet.

They're playing catchup, it's sloppy, but they're still unbelievably competitive. I'm not ignorant, I just have my flavor, and it isn't Intel. AMD is second rate material right now, but at my price-point for building a system, it's negligible.

 

[theonetruewill]

Yes and no.

I'm waiting for the x3's. Just to be interesting.

By the time they come out, there will be enough am2+ boards on the market that I'll actually have choices too. Not to mention drivers on both GPU's and CPU's that aren't quite mature yet.

They're playing catchup, it's sloppy, but they're still unbelievably competitive. I'm not ignorant, I just have my flavor, and it isn't Intel. AMD is second rate material right now, but at my price-point for building a system, it's negligible.

Mandelore wants the performance though. He's hardcore!

 

[mandelore]

Mandelore wants the performance though. He's hardcore!

lols that made me smile, and & @ that insane 4ghz overclock on air, btw, im getting a spanky new TEC cooler for my new setup, got the older version on my opty atm

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcw6500-T1.asp

argh.. I dont think i will be able to afford a major upgrade for quite some time, so I may have to invest in intel (but i still lub ATI )

 

[theonetruewill]

lols that made me smile, and & @ that insane 4ghz overclock on air, btw, im getting a spanky new TEC cooler for my new setup, got the older version on my opty atm

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcw6500-T1.asp

argh.. I dont think i will be able to afford a major upgrade for quite some time, so I may have to invest in intel (but i still lub ATI )

What's the point in getting a cooler for something that isn't good at overclocking. Instead, get the chip and then buy the cooler when funds return. I;m not trying to be a dick here- just logical. I decided against getting watercooling for my 4600 because, while it would be cool- there isn't any point for my setup. It wouldn't make it clock higher than say... 2.9GHz.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

thats a nice block/tec there.

Its not so bad on the darkside,the perks are good(easy high oc's,cool temps,cheap good clocking chips)

 

[mandelore]

What's the point in getting a cooler for something that isn't good at overclocking. Instead, get the chip and then buy the cooler when funds return. I;m not trying to be a dick here- just logical. I decided against getting watercooling for my 4600 because, while it would be cool- there isn't any point for my setup. It wouldn't make it clock higher than say... 2.9GHz.

I know what ur saying, and that tec purchase would be for the 45nm's, but yes I would not be getting it just yet for any intermediary cpu, I would hold off to give me some financial breathing room, so to speak

 

[theonetruewill]

I know what ur saying, and that tec purchase would be for the 45nm's, but yes I would not be getting it just yet for any intermediary cpu, I would hold off to give me some financial breathing room, so to speak

Wait for both then. Wait for the Penryn to arrive, and wait for the TEC to lower ever so slightly in price. It's not like your current cooling is bad!

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Out of curiosty... whats the "best" 775 motherboard available? is the x38 or summit the latest chipset?

I really havent got much of a clue about intel boards, I however, love Asus boards.

On the x38 side, I would hold off as there is a bug that was not able to be fixed in that release. Hence the x48. I dont know what exactly that bug was though.

If i did, say, go with intel (cant help shuddering a wee bit) I would obviously have to cancel a pre order for the m3a32-mvp mobo. And when are the penrys released? coz i have a limited budget, albeit i saved up alot, and I have my current rig to sell, so im looking at around £700ish, already got my tracer ddr2 modules
The Penryns are amazing chips. Check out this link 12MB of L2 cache with a 1333 FSB and they are known to hit 4GHz on air! Thats pretty damn amazing. And they are pretty damn good price wise. ~$316 for a Q9450. Thats what Im going after.

Edit: does asus have the equivalent of the amd m3a32 in intel flavour, but with ddr2 support?

ASUS Maximus Formula Special Edition?
Not sure as I havent kept up with AMD for the longest time now. Ill take a look around.

My responses in bold.

Edit: Yeah I would say that Maximus board by Asus.

 

[Grings]

the waterblock on the se is crap though, i'd go for the regular maximus
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=704909

 

[Sovereign]

So much useless speculation in this thread that my head hurts...

AMD has yet to but is about to roll out the very first of it's next generation chips against Intel's already well established lineup and everyone is saying that AMD has one foot in the grave already.

Although the Penryn/Yorkfield series is in it's relative infancy, you are already laying down and giving it the crown even though AMD's answer to that chip has yet to see the light of day. I'll start formulating my own opinion once AMD has had a chance to establish and mature it's new Phenom generation and the Agena FX makes it to market.

Even if that latest Intel product is faster than the new Phenoms, the fact is that it is NOT by much! I don't know about you but I'm not using my PC to do rocket science calculations for NASA so that tad bit of performance gain from Intel chips is not enough to make me change sides!

 

[Lopez0101]

What I noticed that I thought was weird in the Tom's Hardware benchmarks was the Memory benchmark and how the Phenom was pulling lower scores in it that some Intel's and a lot of other AMD procs and that's normally a test that AMD tends to lead with.

 

[hat]

Hm. I've liked AMD because they've been cheaper and, in P4 days faster, today slower. Not huge, but very real. Price/Performance AMD wins, but most are willing to spend the extra money the performance. Now AMD is more expensive and slower. Oh well, this 5200+ isn't going anywhere for a long time.

 

[nflesher87]

lol you rock sov

and Silverel, welcome to TPU, it's refreshing to read some highly educated comments!

 

[bryan_d]

Let's see:
- inefficient use of power
- low frequency yields
- slower than competitors outdated mid ranged CPU's

And to top it off, you are paying roughly the same for an inferior product. It would be like spending 7 dollars on a fast food burger that uses awful meat, aged vegetables and stale bread that tastes like salted cardboard; while that same 7 dollars can buy you a burger with prime meat, fresh veggies, and restaurant cooked bread that tastes wonderful (replace meat with veggie patti for those vegetarians). Where would you spend your 7 dollars?

Maybe with failure of AMD, Intel will grow complacent again, then AMD can come in "ninja style" and steal the show again...

I felt bad leaving the A64 world, and going with the C2D, but now I know I would have felt foolish for wasting money on the fast food burger.

bryan d

 

[hat]

You'll feel even worse when you decide to start clocking that CPU of yours some more!

 

[erocker]

I don't need a Core 2 killer, I need a game killa!

 

[panchoman]

I don't need a Core 2 killer, I need a game killa!

agreed