Plasma replacement - to LED or not to LED

[Chomiq]

I've got a plasma TV. It's currently sitting unplugged. It looks ok still, but not like it once did and it can't hold a candle to my 4k TV and at less than half the price.

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It's a Quantum LED screen, but it's starting to show just a tad bit of burn-in, something it wasn't supposed to do. And I've only had it for two years. However, it's only noticeable up close and on a pure white screen. Still, it's very pretty, 120hz and doesn't heat up the room to furnace levels like the plasma does.

Is it burn in or is it temporary image retention? I had it on my IPS monitor when I had two MS Word windows side by side for 4 hours. You could see the scroll bar in the middle on static background. It went away after the shutdown and it cooled down.

 

[Bill_Bright]

That plasma TV is a power-sucking-space-heater. OLED is highly over-rated, has burn-in problems and is over-priced.

True, not true, definitely not true, and not true any more - as a little homework with Google would show.

Plasmas certainly are "power-sucking-space heaters".

While subjective, technically speaking, OLEDs are not "highly" over-rated. They present a truly gorgeous and accurate image display - as most professional review sites note too.

As noted by v12dock's link, if you display a "static" image for 20 straight hours, day after day, then you might see some burn-in images. But if you watch TV like 99% of the "normal" people in the world (who, depending on your source of information, average less than 5 hours, up to 6 hours of varied - NOT static - content daily), and your OLED is not some antique, entry level, first-gen model, burn-in is NOT a problem.

As far as being over-priced, that's subjective. Some folks may find spending $600 for a 65" TV too much. But as seen in this comparison, LG's OLED and Samsung's QLED 65 inch models cost about the same with the OLED actually being $200 cheaper - and has a better picture too, albeit only slightly.

 

[eidairaman1]

True, not true, definitely not true, and not true any more - as a little homework with Google would show.

Plasmas certainly are "power-sucking-space heaters".

While subjective, technically speaking, OLEDs are not "highly" over-rated. They present a truly gorgeous and accurate image display - as most professional review sites note too.

As noted by v12dock's link, if you display a "static" image for 20 straight hours, day after day, then you might see some burn-in images. But if you watch TV like 99% of the "normal" people in the world (who, depending on your source of information, average less than 5 hours, up to 6 hours of varied - NOT static - content daily), and your OLED is not some antique, entry level, first-gen model, burn-in is NOT a problem.

As far as being over-priced, that's subjective. Some folks may find spending $600 for a 65" TV too much. But as seen in this comparison, LG's OLED and Samsung's QLED 65 inch models cost about the same with the OLED actually being $200 cheaper - and has a better picture too, albeit only slightly.

Explain why my Galaxy A11 has burn in?

 

[londiste]

Explain why my Galaxy A11 has burn in?

Doesn't that have an IPS screen?
Phones have RGB-OLED screens which are more prone to visible burn-in thanks to separate subpixels end their different lifetimes (the blue subpixel being one with the shortest lifetime). Plus, phones generally use more brightness.

I presume you have a pretty decent budget, considering you're eyeing OLED TVs?
Have you considered mini LED? I would say that is more the natural transition from plasma, compared to OLED.
Something along the lines of this

Philips launches new LCD TVs with HDMI 2.1, miniLED & Ambilight

From affordable to high-end

www.flatpanelshd.com

or this

LG announces EU pricing & availability for 2021 "QNED" LCD TVs

High-end LCD will be getting a lot more expensive this year

www.flatpanelshd.com

There are two main problems with mini LED backlight LCDs:
1. You still need to keep in mind the amount of dimming zones when choosing/buying one
2. Prices for a decent screen are practically at the same level as OLED

 

[lexluthermiester]

Is it burn in or is it temporary image retention?

It's burn-in. It's very faint but it is persistent, even after being turned off for several days.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I've got a plasma TV. It's currently sitting unplugged. It looks ok still, but not like it once did and it can't hold a candle to my 4k TV and at less than half the price.

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It's a Quantum LED screen, but it's starting to show just a tad bit of burn-in, something it wasn't supposed to do. And I've only had it for two years. However, it's only noticeable up close and on a pure white screen. Still, it's very pretty, 120hz and doesn't heat up the room to furnace levels like the plasma does.

LCDs can have a lot of burn-in and/or image retention.

 

[lexluthermiester]

LCDs can have a lot of burn-in and/or image retention.

I've never seen that happen with LCDs. Didn't know it was a thing..

 

[Fangio1951]

I've never seen that happen with LCDs. Didn't know it was a thing..

hi m8,

It happened to my 2018 Samasung 65" which was replaced with a LG OLED (Same thing happened) which was then replaced a month ago with a Samsung 65" QN800A NEO QLED 8K SMART TV (2021)

 

[Ferather]

Displays should turn off-go idle if there is no activity for x minutes, or use a screen saver if on PC. LCD is more resistant than the previous CRT technology, but I don't think its immune.

 

[Chomiq]

I've never seen that happen with LCDs. Didn't know it was a thing..

From rtings:

I never saw it on my VA Bravia from 2014.

 

[Ferather]

Seems I should get IPS (myself).

 

[lexluthermiester]

hi m8,

It happened to my 2018 Samasung 65" which was replaced with a LG OLED (Same thing happened) which was then replaced a month ago with a Samsung 65" QN800A NEO QLED 8K SMART TV (2021)

Fair enough. I'm not saying it can't happen, just that I've never seen an example of burn-in on an LCD.

 

[Chomiq]

Seems I should get IPS (myself).

Terrible contrast and black, for TV use it's not an option.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Terrible contrast and black, for TV use it's not an option.

Can't agree with that. IPS is great for TV/Movies.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Is it burn in or is it temporary image retention? I had it on my IPS monitor when I had two MS Word windows side by side for 4 hours. You could see the scroll bar in the middle on static background. It went away after the shutdown and it cooled down.

That happens to me after 5 minutes on this screen... Third panel in total, second panel it's happening on...
Took about a year to start happening on both panels. Very annoying, but so far it goes away. It's not a TV though, but very much IPS.

 

[Chomiq]

Can't agree with that. IPS is great for TV/Movies.

Not in a pitch black room.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Not in a pitch black room.

Sorry man, can't agree. My son has a 42" IPS based TV and it looks great regardless of light levels. Our disagreement is very likely a panel difference thing as well as a preference thing.

 

[Chomiq]

Sorry man, can't agree. My son has a 42" IPS based TV and it looks great regardless of light levels. Our disagreement is very likely a panel difference thing as well as a preference thing.

This is "black" on IPS without local dimming:

https://i.rtings.com/assets/products/BjuvaNxO/lg-nano90-2021/uniformity-large.jpg

This is "black" on a "better" IPS without local dimming:

https://i.rtings.com/assets/products/ytwr94G4/lg-qned90/uniformity-large.jpg

This is "black" on a "better" VA without local dimming:

https://i.rtings.com/assets/products/kE1LRPul/samsung-qn90a-qled/uniformity-large.jpg

 

[Bill_Bright]

I've never seen that happen with LCDs. Didn't know it was a thing..

What? I bet you have. Ever seen an older ATM screen? Or Arrivals and Departures monitors at airports? They used to have burn-in problems all the time until they learned they needed to change the images being displayed on the displays frequently.

But if you meant on a home computer monitor or TV, then for sure, it is a thing - but like you, I just have never seen it either.

Explain why my Galaxy A11 has burn in?

That's a phone, not a computer monitor or TV. And a little research shows you are not alone as other have reported burn-in issues with the A11. Clearly, Samsung failed to include burn-in mitigation features.

Burn-in happens. I never said or suggested any type of display is immune from it. But I did clearly say the video content must be varied and "NOT static".

LCDs can have a lot of burn-in and/or image retention.

If not mitigated by the manufacturer with the necessary prevention features built into the TV's or monitor's firmware, this is true.

We also need to remember that burn-in and image retention are not the same thing.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Looked like the Panasonic LCD TV that I have sitting around, has TV content burned in, LOL. If not QVC burned in as well, LOL!
It used to be my father's and mom's. It was built in 2010.

 

[R-T-B]

Sorry man, can't agree. My son has a 42" IPS based TV and it looks great regardless of light levels. Our disagreement is very likely a panel difference thing as well as a preference thing.

I mean, IPS is the worst tech for contrast ratio. It has other positive traits but anyone wanting deep blacks should avoid IPS.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I mean, IPS is the worst tech for contrast ratio.

No, TN is the worst for contrast, full stop. Even the poorest example of IPS still has better contrast than TN. And yes, TN panels are still being made.

It has other positive traits but anyone wanting deep blacks should avoid IPS.

Can't agree with that. Mostly because it GREATLY depends on perspective and perception, two things that are very highly subjective from person to person.

For example, @Chomiq clearly has very exacting preferences. For them, only a quality LED screen will be acceptable as they want black levels near perfection. But me for example, colour saturation & balance, brightness and clarity of image as well as framerate & latency are far more important specifications. I am willing to forgive less than perfect black levels if the other aspects are delivered and as long as contrast is agreeable, I will be happy with a screen.

 

[R-T-B]

No, TN is the worst for contrast,

I forgot about TN but honestly they aren't good for anything but refresh rate, so same thing applies.

two things that are very highly subjective from person to person.

It's not subjective when I just said one of the persons subjective priorities is deep blacks. Contrast ratio is a measurable quantifiable thing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I forgot about TN but honestly they aren't goid for anything but refresh rate, so same thing applies.

Ah, but you highlight a point, preference. Some people prefer high refresh-rate over anything else and are willing to live with other aspects that are less than optimal.

Bringing this back to the OP, ultimately @andersun9 is going to need to visit a store to see the differences in person and decide which features & specifications are most important to them. After that, it just boils down to price.

It's not subjective when I just said one of the persons subjective priorities is deep blacks. Contrast ratio is a measurable quantifiable thing.

While true, who defines "deep blacks"? That is the subjective context. You can define contrast ratio to any number you wish, but in the end it's up to the person making the purchase to decide if the screen looks good to them.

 

[R-T-B]

While true, who defines "deep blacks"?

He's coming from a plasma screen.