Post your gpu's ASIC quality

[R-T-B]

Hi, I was hoping if somebody could help me. Just purchased a 2nd hand EVGA GTX 780ti sc acx which seams all good boost too 1127mhz wit about 1.16 - 7 but at times 1.20v and Max temps of 71-72'c at 70% fan speed. I decided to have a look at the ASIC quality and got a shock when I see 59.4%! I understand how the ASIC works (e.g leakage and needing more voltage to remain stable which produces more heat and might lower VRM lifespan).

I don't intend on overclocking the card just yet as I game on 1080p and just brought the card for Max eye candy and future updrade to 1440pp. My concerns are whether if this has/will reduce the lifespan on the card as its 2 year old already. Previous owner water cooled and overclocked to 1228mhz and swears it was stable at 1.212v for 1 andhalf years which in my opinion is v good. Or is it ?

Also I feel the temps are quite a bit hotter than I would like. If I lock the fan at 60% and run valley temps peak at 80-82c power target at 96% I know bench marks run hot but bf4 does the same. Is this normal for this GPU, cooler as my previous card 770 lightning overclocked to 1320mhz and never went above 70c at the same fan speed.

Your opinion on what you would do if you were in my situation and whether you would sell or keep the card would be appreciated.

Sorry for going on.

Regards
Jay

I wouldn't read too much into it. ASIC quality is a overclocking guideline, not a rule of thumb and I have seen cards with ASICs near that that actually overclocked fine, especially under water.

 

[Kanan]

Hi, I was hoping if somebody could help me. Just purchased a 2nd hand EVGA GTX 780ti sc acx which seams all good boost too 1127mhz wit about 1.16 - 7 but at times 1.20v and Max temps of 71-72'c at 70% fan speed. I decided to have a look at the ASIC quality and got a shock when I see 59.4%! I understand how the ASIC works (e.g leakage and needing more voltage to remain stable which produces more heat and might lower VRM lifespan).

I don't intend on overclocking the card just yet as I game on 1080p and just brought the card for Max eye candy and future updrade to 1440pp. My concerns are whether if this has/will reduce the lifespan on the card as its 2 year old already. Previous owner water cooled and overclocked to 1228mhz and swears it was stable at 1.212v for 1 andhalf years which in my opinion is v good. Or is it ?

Also I feel the temps are quite a bit hotter than I would like. If I lock the fan at 60% and run valley temps peak at 80-82c power target at 96% I know bench marks run hot but bf4 does the same. Is this normal for this GPU, cooler as my previous card 770 lightning overclocked to 1320mhz and never went above 70c at the same fan speed.

Your opinion on what you would do if you were in my situation and whether you would sell or keep the card would be appreciated.

Sorry for going on.

Regards
Jay

Temps of about 80-85°C and a voltage of 1.1-1.2V are normal for a 780 Ti, don't worry. You can set temperature target in Afterburner, standard (mine at least) is set at 83°C, so the fan ramps up to prevent the card being hotter than 83°C what is perfectly fine.

Also, the Asic means your card is good for overclocking with water/LN2 etc. not so much with air, but this assumption is just based on experiences, it's not a fact. Seeing your card runs with 1127-1170 MHz is good - also I wouldn't touch the fan settings. Standard settings are normally pretty good on 780 Ti cards. What you can do though is change the temperature target, as I already mentioned, but I would only increase it to 85°C and wouldn't decrease it at all, because that way your card only gets louder and/or has less clock speed. 80-85°C is a good maximum temperature for 780 Ti's, more than that isn't good for stability.

 

[burninator34]

 

[Tennis97]

Just spent some time overclocking my 970 last night. It's a full reference nvidia model (the one with the Titan cooler) and has 72% ASIC

Is this above/below average? Especially considering its reference. It was stable for heaven and 3dmark (I think I saw one artifact at one point, but I wasn't certain, after taking the memory down slightly I never saw any again)

 

[Kanan]

Just spent some time overclocking my 970 last night. It's a full reference nvidia model (the one with the Titan cooler) and has 72% ASIC

Is this above/below average? Especially considering its reference. It was stable for heaven and 3dmark (I think I saw one artifact at one point, but I wasn't certain, after taking the memory down slightly I never saw any again)

Seems like you overclocked it nicely. ASIC isn't sooo important, what's really important is actually, how far you can clock it stable, and this seems good here.

 

[Pill Monster]

Temps of about 80-85°C and a voltage of 1.1-1.2V are normal for a 780 Ti, don't worry. You can set temperature target in Afterburner, standard (mine at least) is set at 83°C, so the fan ramps up to prevent the card being hotter than 83°C what is perfectly fine.

Also, the Asic means your card is good for overclocking with water/LN2 etc. not so much with air, but this assumption is just based on experiences, it's not a fact. Seeing your card runs with 1127-1170 MHz is good - also I wouldn't touch the fan settings. Standard settings are normally pretty good on 780 Ti cards. What you can do though is change the temperature target, as I already mentioned, but I would only increase it to 85°C and wouldn't decrease it at all, because that way your card only gets louder and/or has less clock speed. 80-85°C is a good maximum temperature for 780 Ti's, more than that isn't good for stability.

Seems like you overclocked it nicely. ASIC isn't sooo important, what's really important is actually, how far you can clock it stable, and this seems good here.

It's not that important but @59% ASIC LN2 won't help because overclocking will be limited by vrm output. A stock 780Ti draws about 260W, PCI-e can only output 300W.

 

[Kanan]

It's not that important but @59% ASIC LN2 won't help because overclocking will be limited by vrm output. A stock 780Ti draws about 260W, PCI-e can only output 300W.

Yeah, my opinion was solely based on the ASIC numbers. Ofc you need a overclocking card to do something great with LN2, like a Strixx/Matrix, Lightning, HoF, etc.

 

[Pill Monster]

Yeah, my opinion was solely based on the ASIC numbers. Ofc you need a overclocking card to do something great with LN2, like a Strixx/Matrix, Lightning, HoF, etc.

A few people are under the impression ASIC is connected to overclocking headroom on the chip, it isn't. ASIC only indicates power draw.

 

[yanemte]

After I installed Trixx and upped the voltage now the voltage on the card is constantly stuck at 1.244 (according to GPUz), but other monitoring software reports the card steps down when idle to .82v. Something happened and now how do I fix this?

 

[jeyo123]

EVGA 550Ti (reference)

Can't get it past 1025MHz at 1.14V (1.04V stock)


Asus R9 290

Can do around 1125 on the core

 

[Kanan]

A few people are under the impression ASIC is connected to overclocking headroom on the chip, it isn't. ASIC only indicates power draw.

True, but power draw influences core clocks indirectly. If you have more power headroom, the card can boost higher. Thus high Asic cards should be better (with air at least).

 

[Pill Monster]

True, but power draw influences core clocks indirectly. If you have more power headroom, the card can boost higher. Thus high Asic cards should be better (with air at least).

Boost is limited by TDP, TDP headroom depends on power draw. Power draw depends on VRM output which is directly affected by current leakage.....
Leakage is the ASIC % in GPU-Z.

 

[Kanan]

Boost is limited by TDP, and TDP depends on ASIC.

And TDP is power (Thermal Design Power = TDP), you stated nothing new here. If a card needs more power it reaches TDP faster, thus having less core clocks. Basically, that's what I already said.

 

[Pill Monster]

And TDP is power (Thermal Design Power = TDP), you stated nothing new here. If a card needs more power it reaches TDP faster, thus having less core clocks. Basically, that's what I already said.

That was the nutshell version.... I explained it a bit better. TDP isn't power draw, TDP is the vendors code for "acceptable draw falls within a range either side of XXX watts TDP"...

Basically yeah higher ASIC is better but it doesn't mean the chip has more headroom, just that it'll use less power to get there. With low ASIC you really want a card with decent VRM's.........

Edit. corrected typo.

 

[Kanan]

That was the nutshell version.... I explained it a bit better. TDP isn't power draw...

Basically yeah higher ASIC is better but it doesn't mean the chip has more headroom, just that it'll use less power to get there/ With high ASIC you really want a card with decent VRM's.........

TDP is the maximum power a card is going to draw, yes it very well is. And I don't see where you explained anything better. Until now you're confusing me with your comments more than helping.

High ASIC or low ASIC doesn't matter, you idealy for both want a card with good VRMs if you want to OC. Low ASIC is better suited to LN2/Water, high ASIC is better suited to air cooling, because its more efficient.

A card with low ASIC % needs more voltage/power to reach a specific clock, than compared to a card with high ASIC %.

 

[Pill Monster]

TDP is the maximum power a card is going to draw, yes it very well is.

No, it isn't.
TDP is the median average power draw of the entire range for a chip. Example, if TDP for the XX9900 video card was 200W, GPU's will have an actual draw of anywhere between 150W- 250W.
It's different for every card. If TDP was actual draw, every GPU would have a different TDP because no 2 cards are exactly the same.

A card with low ASIC % needs more voltage/power to reach a specific clock, than compared to a card with high ASIC %.

Correct, so then LN2 cooling isn't really a factor, it comes down to available power.
See, u did understand.

**btw I typed high ASIC when I meant low ASIC, sorry to confuse....

 

[Tennis97]

Seems like you overclocked it nicely. ASIC isn't sooo important, what's really important is actually, how far you can clock it stable, and this seems good here.

I think I hit my GPU's limit. With voltage and fan speed maxed (+87mv, fan was 100%, giving me 59-60°C), open air, I managed to bench my 970 at 1356MHz core (+305, boosts to around ~1545mhz avg in valley, max is ~1590mhz) and 7.92GHz memory (+420 or so). Even that was not super stable, I'd say +300 and +400 is max I can get stable with maxed voltage. So 29% core OC and 13% mem OC, giving me ~20% boost for my scores. I'm pretty happy with that

Now if only my i5 wasn't complete garbage (I have it at 4.3ghz and 1.26v I believe, 4.6ghz take >1.4v). It does undervolt to 1.13v tho pretty nicely if I keep it at 4ghz, so I guess it could be worse.

 

[Kanan]

No, it isn't.
TDP is the median average power draw of the entire range for a chip. Example, if TDP for the XX9900 video card was 200W, GPU's will have an actual draw of anywhere between 150W- 250W.
It's different for every card. If TDP was actual draw, every GPU would have a different TDP because no 2 cards are exactly the same.

True, TDP is more like an maximum draw, I was half-asleep when I wrote that...

I think I hit my GPU's limit. With voltage and fan speed maxed (+87mv, fan was 100%, giving me 59-60°C), open air, I managed to bench my 970 at 1356MHz core (+305, boosts to around ~1545mhz avg in valley, max is ~1590mhz) and 7.92GHz memory (+420 or so). Even that was not super stable, I'd say +300 and +400 is max I can get stable with maxed voltage. So 29% core OC and 13% mem OC, giving me ~20% boost for my scores. I'm pretty happy with that

Yeah, very nice indeed.

Now if only my i5 wasn't complete garbage (I have it at 4.3ghz and 1.26v I believe, 4.6ghz take >1.4v). It does undervolt to 1.13v tho pretty nicely if I keep it at 4ghz, so I guess it could be worse.

Yes, your i5 is pretty "ok" I'd say, my friend has one of the first when they released (i5 4670K though), and has hard times clocking it to more than 4,2 GHz. And 4,2 GHz isn't prime stable, it's rather "game stable".

 

[Rubble]

True, TDP is more like an maximum draw, I was half-asleep when I wrote that...


Yeah, very nice indeed.


Yes, your i5 is pretty "ok" I'd say, my friend has one of the first when they released (i5 4670K though), and has hard times clocking it to more than 4,2 GHz. And 4,2 GHz isn't prime stable, it's rather "game stable".

Seems i got lucky then haha, my 4770K i had could do 5GHz at 1.25V XP

 

[ShiBDiB]

On the laptop

 

[xvi]

Sager NP9870-S. Has one of the new-ish "desktop GTX 980 in a laptop" cards. I thought they'd be cherry-picked seeing as how you'd want bare minimum heat generated in the laptop (and also battery savings), but no dice.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Sager NP9870-S. Has one of the new-ish "desktop GTX 980 in a laptop" cards. I thought they'd be cherry-picked seeing as how you'd want bare minimum heat generated in the laptop (and also battery savings), but no dice.

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That's ok. I'll post mine tonight. I ended up with a 66% on mine. It actually runs cool. Yes, maybe it's due to the great MSI cooler, but I'm using only a few more watts of power than my 780, and I have yet to have a game get it hotter than 60C.

I think ASIC number is overrated. You should be fine.

 

[MrXD]

 

[Wht Rabbit]

Gtx 970 ftw+

 

[dorsetknob]

welcome to TPU ( nice wallpaper )