Processor choice for well equipped quad channel memory system... generational improvements worth it?

[basco]

i would go 6800k because of price(new 300.- euro) and oc the shhiiit out of it just 200mhz lower then 6850k and bandwith ya know is good on x99.
you are on a pc building spree-yeehaw

 

[storm-chaser]

i would go 6800k because of price(new 300.- euro) and oc the shhiiit out of it just 200mhz lower then 6850k and bandwith ya know is good on x99.
you are on a pc building spree-yeehaw

Yes, definitely making up for lost time here!

10-4 on the CPU. I will take that under advisement.

 

[repman244]

For the X79 platform look at Xeon 1680/1650 V2, they are unlocked and you have access to all of the CPU cache and they usually clock better than desktop parts - however they don't have dual CPU support.
For X99 you can also look at Xeon 1680 V3 - it is unlocked but much more expensive so I would stick to X79 or X299.

 

[Waldorf]

@storm-chaser
next time start with putting out ALL the info YOU have, and others wont have to guess and use their crystal ball only to get shot down by you
because requirement/you changed your mind.
and even if you DONT know (for what), say so, and state "this build is for fun, nothing else",
and we would have seen a lot earlier that your not trying to do a build for a purpose (other than to build it), not having to guess for pages.

dont complain when you ask whats the best car to mess with, only to reject a 2y old 2-door sports car, because you didnt tell us your married with a kid and a dog.

 

[yotano211]

Get the i9 9880h

 

[masterdeejay]

Chinese x99 ddr3 mobo and some cheap 12-14core xeon high all core turbo + hack.
Jingsha x99-8d3 (8xddr3) or Huhananzi x99-tf (4+4 ddr3 and ddr4 support) but there a lot of mobo for this 2011v3.
Ecc reg ddr3 is dirt cheap and oc well.
2011v1 is even cheaper. Old platform but still very good price/performance. Few (1650-60-80) xeons are unlocked.
And it is interesting fun build.

 

[thesmokingman]

This thread is like a veiled attempt to troll.

 

[phanbuey]

Chinese x99 ddr3 mobo and some cheap 12-14core xeon high all core turbo + hack.
Jingsha x99-8d3 (8xddr3) or Huhananzi x99-tf (4+4 ddr3 and ddr4 support) but there a lot of mobo for this 2011v3.
Ecc reg ddr3 is dirt cheap and oc well.
2011v1 is even cheaper. Old platform but still very good price/performance. Few (1650-60-80) xeons are unlocked.
And it is interesting fun build.

yah this^ I've always wanted to put together a frankenrig like that but just don't have the time to mess with it. A board that can take one of those old ES chips or one pulled out of a server somwehere.

the benefit of intel not changing architectures for the last 7 years is they are still extremely relevant.

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14 core broadwell with 35 mb of cache is nothing to sneeze at for $288 ES it's a steal - just make sure the board bios will accept the ES chips, usually the seller has suggestions of which work.

 

[moproblems99]

Since in your very first post you said this was for fun, take the one that is the greatest challenge and has the most to gain from tweaking/overclocking.

It seems to me, after struggling to get through the thread, that you are after the journey more than the destination. My vote is to take the one you see as the biggest challenge with the most learning opportunities.

 

[masterdeejay]

yah this^ I've always wanted to put together a frankenrig like that but just don't have the time to mess with it. A board that can take one of those old ES chips or one pulled out of a server somwehere.

the benefit of intel not changing architectures for the last 7 years is they are still extremely relevant.

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14 core broadwell with 35 mb of cache is nothing to sneeze at for $288 ES it's a steal - just make sure the board bios will accept the ES chips, usually the seller has suggestions of which work.

V3 Haswell is better price/performance
2673v3 3.1ghz turbo 105w tdp is 125usd on ebay or
2683v3 14 core 3ghz 190usd
V4 Broadwell is only a few percent better in ipc. And haswell (e5-26xxv3) have all core turbo hack, a free overclock for all boards (old microcode+hacked efi firmware driver)
I dont know that v4 have turbo hack.

 

[bogmali]

To those that failed to understand (again), look at the title and 1st post.....the choices are listed by the OP so why are there arguments about Ryzen or TR? I mean someone comments about a troll attempt but I look at their post and see them pushing Ryzen/TR, why do guys do this and complain when your post gets deleted/LQ'd?

 

[moproblems99]

To those that failed to understand (again), look at the title and 1st post.....the choices are listed by the OP so why are there arguments about Ryzen or TR? I mean someone comments about a troll attempt but I look at their post and see them pushing Ryzen/TR, why do guys do this and complain when your post gets deleted/LQ'd?

While it wasn't me, I think Ryzen/TR are very valid options in both the OP's desires and requirements. In fact, they fit better than the OP suggested options. Since the thread is asking for advice (sort of), it seems relevant from where I sit.

 

[Nero1024]

Intel BX80673I77800X Core i7-7800X 3.5 GHz Hexa-Core Processor. <<< No other choice, it's the best one

 

[masterdeejay]

So the final thing is imho:
For rendering:
12-18 cores at 3ghz+ is better than an unlocked 6core 4ghz oven.
Ddr3 ecc reg is a lot cheaper than ddr4.
And more cores is better in the future. Downside is weaker single core performance.
For games:
Any unlocked cheap v2 xeon x79 1650-1660-1680 oc to 4ghz+
Ram for these builds any 1066-1333 ddr3 ecc reg with the same chips that on 1600/1866 modules. (Check manufaturers datasheet like samsung K4B4G0446C or D) so it can run stock voltage 1866 or oc to 2133.

 

[bogmali]

While it wasn't me, I think Ryzen/TR are very valid options in both the OP's desires and requirements. In fact, they fit better than the OP suggested options. Since the thread is asking for advice (sort of), it seems relevant from where I sit.

If that were the case (which I understand where you're coming) he would have listed/added that in his initial post right? I don't see where in that post that he even mentions an AMD CPU and he lists what he wants via some options.....so I am confused with this "Ryzen/TR is better" when clearly its not one of the options and then proceed to argue

 

[king of swag187]

990X can be beaten by a $20 Xeon, 4930K by a $60 Xeon, 5930K by a $120 2600, 7800X by a 1920X, same for the 6850K,

 

[thesmokingman]

If that were the case (which I understand where you're coming) he would have listed/added that in his initial post right? I don't see where in that post that he even mentions an AMD CPU and he lists what he wants via some options.....so I am confused with this "Ryzen/TR is better" when clearly its not one of the options and then proceed to argue

He wrote in later post that he's open to anything, AMD included.

 

[milewski1015]

To those that failed to understand (again), look at the title and 1st post.....the choices are listed by the OP so why are there arguments about Ryzen or TR? I mean someone comments about a troll attempt but I look at their post and see them pushing Ryzen/TR, why do guys do this and complain when your post gets deleted/LQ'd?

I'm thinking that this why people started suggesting TR:

but I want to build out a specific workhorse for video rendering and advanced work loads.

I was thinking a DDR4 platform, newer, faster, but also more expensive.

quad channel memory.

As @moproblems99 mentioned, TR especially meets these requirements.

I agree with @EarthDog that it seemed like the focus of the build bounced all over the place. Now that we've finally extracted the truth though, it becomes easier to give advice.

If that were the case (which I understand where you're coming) he would have listed/added that in his initial post right? I don't see where in that post that he even mentions an AMD CPU and he lists what he wants via some options.....so I am confused with this "Ryzen/TR is better" when clearly its not one of the options and then proceed to argue

It's like if someone asked for advice on a gaming rig and only listed 1050 Ti models for a GPU option - any sensible person is going to advise them to get the faster and cheaper RX 570

 

[thesmokingman]

I'm thinking that this why people started suggesting TR:





As @moproblems99 mentioned, TR especially meets these requirements.

I agree with @EarthDog that it seemed like the focus of the build bounced all over the place. Now that we've finally extracted the truth though, it becomes easier to give advice.



It's like if someone asked for advice on a gaming rig and only listed 1050 Ti models for a GPU option - any sensible person is going to advise them to get the faster and cheaper RX 570

But then the OP ignores everything.

 

[moproblems99]

If that were the case (which I understand where you're coming) he would have listed/added that in his initial post right? I don't see where in that post that he even mentions an AMD CPU and he lists what he wants via some options.....so I am confused with this "Ryzen/TR is better" when clearly its not one of the options and then proceed to argue

So I don't want to derail further, but sometimes when we ask for help, we don't know what we want. If we really knew all the options and the pros and cons of each, no one would need to ask for help. I'll gladly discuss via PM if you would like as it is always nice to know where mods sit on these issues.

 

[milewski1015]

So I don't want to derail further, but sometimes when we ask for help, we don't know what we want. If we really knew all the options and the pros and cons of each, no one would need to ask for help. I'll gladly discuss via PM if you would like as it is always nice to know where mods sit on these issues.

It seems like he didn't know what he wanted:

I will likely sell later, but I want to build out a specific workhorse for video rendering and advanced work loads.

I am looking for a fun experience, possibly a new platform to learn, and moderate overclocking to go along with that.

HEDT - Im basically building a (High-End Desktop)

No wonder people were struggling to give advice...

@moproblems99 I think your mention of pros and cons is spot on - that's how OP should have gone about this thread: listed the bare minimum requirements (unlocked multiplier, quad channel memory), and then asked for others to provide options wit the pros and cons of each (TR pros: high performance. TR cons: expensive. etc etc)

 

[bogmali]

He wrote in later post that he's open to anything, AMD included.

I'm thinking that this why people started suggesting TR:


As @moproblems99 mentioned, TR especially meets these requirements.

I agree with @EarthDog that it seemed like the focus of the build bounced all over the place. Now that we've finally extracted the truth though, it becomes easier to give advice.

It's like if someone asked for advice on a gaming rig and only listed 1050 Ti models for a GPU option - any sensible person is going to advise them to get the faster and cheaper RX 570

OK so he added that after numerous suggestions but I'm going off what is on the 1st post. Sensible person you say, some of these comments are nowhere near that but rather confrontational (imo)

So I don't want to derail further, but sometimes when we ask for help, we don't know what we want. If we really knew all the options and the pros and cons of each, no one would need to ask for help. I'll gladly discuss via PM if you would like as it is always nice to know where mods sit on these issues.

My take is that I am assuming when you posts these kind of threads, you have done your due diligence as to what you want and just a matter what everyone recommends based on the selections that you included (or am I assuming a lot?).

 

[lexluthermiester]

INTEL ONLY.

Intel BX80633I74930K Core i7-4930K Hexa-Core Processor: $250.00 (QUAD channel, DDR3) LGA 2011

Intel BX80648I75930K Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 15MB Cache Hexa-Core Processor $210 (QUAD channel, DDR4) LGA 2011

Intel BX80673I77800X Core i7-7800X 3.5 GHz Hexa-Core Processor $350 (QUAD channel DDR4) LGA 2066

Intel BX80671I76850K Core i7 6850K Hexa-Core 3.6GHz $240 (QUAD Channel DDR4) LGA 2066

Intel BX80613I7990X Core i7-990X $140 (Triple Channel DDR3) LGA 1366

EDIT: My target is six cores or up.

Of these choices, I would recommend none.

IF you are going to go with socket 1366, skip the i7 and get a Xeon X5680 or X5690. 6 cores each at half the price of their i7 counterparts.
IF you are going with 2011, again skip the i7 as the Xeon E5-2667-V2 or E5-2667-V3 are your best choice for balance of cores/speed/price. Anything newer is going to get pricey, but there is the E5-2667-V4.
As for 2066, you may as well go brand new as the prices for used are only marginally less than new parts.

 

[moproblems99]

My take is that I am assuming when you posts these kind of threads, you have done your due diligence as to what you want and just a matter what everyone recommends based on the selections that you included (or am I assuming a lot?).

Did you read the thread? Could you actually make heads or tails what was really wanted? I couldn't. It went from rendering to memory throughput to all out performance to bechmarking and then a few places in between. That is why my recommendation was agnostic to basically everything and provided almost no help. I still don't have clue what the purpose is. Again, the OP does have some problem taking advice or criticism that isn't perfectly worded. Again, these things can be addressed (we did in his other thread) but with the OPs mannerisms, a clear understanding of what is at hand is vital for anyone helping. Yes, some of the advice was borderline hostile but I can slightly understand when people are labeled as a hater when giving criticism.

 

[milewski1015]

OK so he added that after numerous suggestions but I'm going off what is on the 1st post. Sensible person you say, some of these comments are nowhere near that but rather confrontational (imo)

All three of those listed reasons were present in the first post. I would agree that some of the suggestions do come off confrontational, but again, @moproblems99 hit the nail on the head:

Yes, some of the advice was borderline hostile but I can slightly understand when people are labeled as a hater when giving criticism.