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Radeon PhysX Creator: 'NVIDIA Offered To Help Us', 'Expected More From AMD'

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More like NVIDIA was behind it since the start?I don't rly belive they just "made it work".
How come noone made AVIVO work on NVIDIA cards?I know I know its a different thing but its either they reverse engineered the drivers or more likely someone "gave" em already working ones.Its good that AMD/ATi didn't get the bite and haven't involved in any way since they are over the top again.
 

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With NGOHQ.com being successfully able to modify CUDA to function on ATI GPUs, it was only a formality to run any CUDA application on it
So the Nvidia folding client could be run on the ATI cards? Maybe we'd finally see the true potential of the 4800 series with that one, ATI client is slow.. :)
 

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So the Nvidia folding client could be run on the ATI cards? Maybe we'd finally see the true potential of the 4800 series with that one, ATI client is slow.. :)
You already have F@H clients for ATI....way back since the Radeon X1800 days.
 

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You already have F@H clients for ATI....way back since the Radeon X1800 days.
I said that.

So the Nvidia folding client could be run on the ATI cards? Maybe we'd finally see the true potential of the 4800 series with that one, ATI client is slow.. :)
The CUDA client is inexplicably faster on NVIDIA hardware with less theoretical capability than the ATI cards. The ATI client hasn't been updated for the RV770 cards, either. It would be interesting to see if the Nvidia client would run any well on ATI cards.
 
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ATI made a really smart move, by not supporting CUDA they've slowed its progress down (or prevented speeding it up) which is a really good thing for them because we have to remember its not just ATI, its AMD/ATI. They have as much to lose in this as Intel.
 

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ATI made a really smart move, by not supporting CUDA they've slowed its progress down (or prevented speeding it up) which is a really good thing for them because we have to remember its not just ATI, its AMD/ATI. They have as much to lose in this as Intel.
I agree. Beyond smart move, it's self-defense and above all, protecting its own FireStream GPGPU architecture from being overrun by CUDA. It's already established that a RV770 churns-out more GFLOPs (1000~1200 GFLOPs) than GT200 (980 GFLOPs), when exploited as a GPGPU, ATI GPUs could fare better, so NV wants to spread CUDA there saying "You can have PhysX", but it's their 'trojan horse' in my opinion.
 
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I agree. Beyond smart move, it's self-defense and above all, protecting its own FireStream GPGPU architecture from being overrun by CUDA. It's already established that a RV770 churns-out more GFLOPs (1000~1200 GFLOPs) than GT200 (980 GFLOPs), when exploited as a GPGPU, ATI GPUs could fare better, so NV wants to spread CUDA there saying "You can haz PhysX", but it's their 'trojan horse' in my opinion.
Every time I start thinking you're valuable to TPU you go and use icanhazcheezeburger speak.
 
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I'm starting to get the vibe that it's more like "Can I haz native speek english skillz plz?".

If it's not their native language, you can lay off some, guys :). Our grammar is very hard b/c it's whack.
 

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I agree. Beyond smart move, it's self-defense and above all, protecting its own FireStream GPGPU architecture from being overrun by CUDA. It's already established that a RV770 churns-out more GFLOPs (1000~1200 GFLOPs) than GT200 (980 GFLOPs), when exploited as a GPGPU, ATI GPUs could fare better, so NV wants to spread CUDA there saying "You can have PhysX", but it's their 'trojan horse' in my opinion.
so your saying about 1TFLOP?
 

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or more likely someone "gave" em already working ones.
i talk to regeneration from ngohq a lot and nobody bitches about amd/ati/nvidia more than he does. i'm sure he didn't get anything from them before publishing that he's working on it. who can blame nvidia for seeing a chance to push cuda... once they got their big big market share they will could just lock out the ati users whenever they want to
 

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Which i think that is Corporate BS right there, ATI should tell Nvidia to go shove it up their wazoo. Intel/ATI should push with havok, which has been working for many years, where physx didnt work from the start. To add another not, didn't i tell yall i smelled a big rat?
 
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i know AMD/ATi and Nvidia are competitors but really they should both push Cuda as it directly competes with Intel and Havok.

Cuda is good but PhysX was a failure. People didnt want to buy a £200-£100 PPu they would rather buy a full on graphics card. Where as Cuda is just a driver and is free so people will be more inclined to try it out.

I dont mind using Cuda its not as if ATi have their own integrated physics processing drivers.
 

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nvidia can push physx into games with their way its meant to be played .. they already talk and work with most of the studios..
 

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I've played PhysX based games, and then also Havoc ones...since ages. I've not found 1 thing that makes PhysX stand out. The Alan Wake demo by Remedy at IDF '07 was more than anything I've ever seen in terms of game physics (seen it on YouTube). All they did was run it on a Q6600. CPU does everything. No need to let the video-card slog, let it be a full-time graphics processor.
 
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I've played PhysX based games, and then also Havoc ones...since ages. I've not found 1 thing that makes PhysX stand out. The Alan Wake demo by Remedy at IDF '07 was more than anything I've ever seen in terms of game physics (seen it on YouTube). All they did was run it on a Q6600. CPU does everything. No need to let the video-card slog, let it be a full-time graphics processor.
That will be one the the most beautiful games that will come out, I hope, this year. I was nothing but amazed when I saw that demo. Plus been waiting for more! I believe that game will set big standers in how to build a game. Just hope I'm not disappointed in it...