Radeon RX 6700, 6700 XT & 6750 XT users club

[AusWolf]

Anyone else having problems with the newest (23.10.2) drivers? Otherwise these seem to work but now I can't open the AMD software center. Well, overclocking works with Afterburner so I can live with it.

I decided not to upgrade since AMD decided to can AntiLag+ support for every game in the latest version (I don't play competitively, so there is no server to ban me from).

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

A positive about not upgrading every 1–2 years I guess.

A million times yes. I upgraded from GT 1030 to GTX 1080 Ti and that was amazing. Then I bought myself an RX 6700 XT just to have more than one sufficient GPU and yeah, despite being better it granted me no wow effect. Next GPU I'm buying will be 3+ times faster than 6700 XT and I'm not in a hurry, it can wait till RTX 6000 era. Still a truckload of unfinished games which work perfectly fine at UW 1440p, let alone 1080p, my current resolution.

I don't understand those who upgrade every 1 or 2 generations.

 

[AusWolf]

I don't understand those who upgrade every 1 or 2 generations.

I do. They think of "wants" instead of "needs". I've been like that in the last couple of years, largely thanks to having all work and no play during covid.
But I've got to stop now. My PC smashes all my games into pieces, my credit card is crying, and the world is open again.

Looking at what is faster is easy. Asking the question "do I need it?" is a lot harder.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

thanks to having all work and no play during covid.

Yeah, I'm not a native English speaker but it was a bit offensive to assume I've never heard of this saying xD

Asking the question "do I need it?" is a lot harder.

Nah, exceptionally easy. If you ask yourself this question then the answer is no.

 

[AusWolf]

Yeah, I'm not a native English speaker but it was a bit offensive to assume I've never heard of this saying xD

I meant no offense. I'm not a native speaker, either. Just because both you and I know this proverb, I don't assume that everybody does.

Nah, exceptionally easy. If you ask yourself this question then the answer is no.

Yet, not many people do it, and instead, fall into the trap of the shiny new toy.

 

[Kyan]

A million times yes. I upgraded from GT 1030 to GTX 1080 Ti and that was amazing. Then I bought myself an RX 6700 XT just to have more than one sufficient GPU and yeah, despite being better it granted me no wow effect. Next GPU I'm buying will be 3+ times faster than 6700 XT and I'm not in a hurry, it can wait till RTX 6000 era. Still a truckload of unfinished games which work perfectly fine at UW 1440p, let alone 1080p, my current resolution.

Same, I've start pc building with a 760 in 2015 (I was not very informed at the time, 960 was realease 2-3 month after my build), upgrade to 1060 6GB in 2017 and then a 6750XT in 2022. I will probably wait for RX8800 if it ever exist and a 8800X3D. But current rumor don't look good, I'll consider my needs and the state of the gpu market in the meantime. It's a very strange period for pc gaming.

 

[AusWolf]

It's a very strange period for pc gaming.

Having had a PC since 1998 and having built them myself since about 2004, I agree. Your choices have never been so plentiful but costly at the same time.

The PC community has changed, too - it's never been so divisive before. We used to cheer for all new hardware, regardless of which company it's from, but all we do nowadays is throw rocks at each other.

 

[dylricho]

A million times yes. I upgraded from GT 1030 to GTX 1080 Ti and that was amazing. Then I bought myself an RX 6700 XT just to have more than one sufficient GPU and yeah, despite being better it granted me no wow effect. Next GPU I'm buying will be 3+ times faster than 6700 XT and I'm not in a hurry, it can wait till RTX 6000 era. Still a truckload of unfinished games which work perfectly fine at UW 1440p, let alone 1080p, my current resolution.

I don't understand those who upgrade every 1 or 2 generations.

That's quite an upgrade. I think my largest graphical upgrade technically was going from an old laptop with an Intel GMA X3100 to an A8-6600K desktop, back in 2016.

I'm pretty sure the recent switch from RX 570 to RX 6700 XT is more of an upgrade than anything I did in between then and now (A8-6600K => A10-7890K => RX 460 => RX 570).

 

[amd64skater]

That's quite an upgrade. I think my largest graphical upgrade technically was going from an old laptop with an Intel GMA X3100 to an A8-6600K desktop, back in 2016.

I'm pretty sure the recent switch from RX 570 to RX 6700 XT is more of an upgrade than anything I did in between then and now (A8-6600K => A10-7890K => RX 460 => RX 570).

Hehe I went with a similar upgrade with my GPU as well. RX 560 to RX 6750. Very happy with it.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

I'm not a native speaker, either.

German?

 

[AusWolf]

German?

Nope. But good guess.

 

[HD64G]

I'm loving it so far. Frame rates have either doubled or tripled from the RX 570. A positive about not upgrading every 1–2 years I guess.

The next step is to upgrade to Zen 3 as I know I can get more out of the GPU in less demanding titles. The 5700X is a sweet price right now at £180. That's what I paid for my 3600 back in 2020.

You are bottlenecked at 1080P gaming. You will get at least 30-40% more with even an R5 5600 if tuned well in RAM.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

But good guess.

I guess I see what you did here, pane.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I started building, officially since 2001, albeit I had a case already and just changed the motherboard and CPU. My first motherboard and CPU upgrade was in summer, 2001. (for any PCs that were built by me)
Spring, 2001, was when I got an NOS Voodoo 3 3000 and I popped that in my super socket 7 system, the Soyo SY-5EMA+ and K6-2 450 MHz with 128 MB of PC100/PC133 SDR SDRAM.

I used the same RAM and video for the first Athlon build, a T-bird 900 MHz.

 

[Jism]

I'm glad the MPT works for 6x00 series. It's banned from use in the 7x00 series.

And because of that, the clocks actually maintain, and not jump around.

Repasted it with (Discontinued) MX-5.

Most cards are reference AMD - and most VRM's can handle over 500W. Ive seen some people have their GPU Consume over 350W easily with zero issues. But it's the clocks beyond 3Ghz that makes it extremely difficult. There's still some free performance on the table with IF clocks and what more. I have'nt tested this out yet.

 

[dylricho]

You are bottlenecked at 1080P gaming. You will get at least 30-40% more with even an R5 5600 if tuned well in RAM.

I game at 1440p, but yes Zen 3 will improve frame rates quite noticeably I think due to the single CCX. Currently using untuned DDR4-3600 C16.

 

[Melvis]

So I guess ill soon be part of this club, I had just bought brand new through a USA friend of mine a MSI Mech 6750XT as it was the best price performance I could find for around $600 Aus.
Sadly my beloved MSI 1080 Ti Gaming Started to artifact/Freeze about 3-4weeks ago after been flawless for the past 4yrs that ive owned it for. I almost bought a 7700XT but when looking at the performance of the 6750XT it seemed to be pretty close to the 7700XT but for alot less?

I had planned to get a 5800X3D and cooler before upgrading the 1080 Ti but that has now completely been swapped for a new Card instead and I really hope the 6750XT is a good card.

 

[dylricho]

I almost bought a 7700XT but when looking at the performance of the 6750XT it seemed to be pretty close to the 7700XT but for alot less?

I'm pretty sure the only reason to consider the newer card is for the better ray tracing performance. The 7700 XT itself makes very little sense when the 7800 XT is only $100 more, so you made the right choice.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

6750XT it seemed to be pretty close to the 7700XT but for alot less?

Nah, 7700 XT's performance competition is the non-XT version of 6800. 6750 XT is noticeably slower.

 

[AusWolf]

Repasted it with (Discontinued) MX-5.

Be careful with that, it's discontinued for a reason. The one tube of MX-5 I had separated into a gummy and a watery phase even before I opened it. I ended up throwing it away and ordering some MX-4 instead.

 

[amd64skater]

Nah, 7700 XT's performance competition is the non-XT version of 6800. 6750 XT is noticeably slower.

Question does having a lower infinity cache size smaller on the 7700 XT 48 MB vs 6750 XT 96 MB make any difference?

 

[AusWolf]

Question does having a lower infinity cache size smaller on the 7700 XT 48 MB vs 6750 XT 96 MB make any difference?

No. The 7700 XT makes up for that deficiency with more shaders and a higher memory bandwidth. Like @Beginner Micro Device said, it's more on par with the 6800 in performance.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

Question does having a lower infinity cache size smaller on the 7700 XT 48 MB vs 6750 XT 96 MB make any difference?

It would be like that if 7700 XT and 6750 XT had the exact same architecture.

Yet they don't. RDNA has undergone elaborate treatment and now the cache efficiency of RDNA3 is higher than that of RDNA2. Not sure if that cache is twice (or more) as efficient but as far as 7700 XT is always faster than 6750 XT it's definitely not in the area of game breaking deficite. This is, broadly speaking, like going from a grandpa style 3.2 L engine to a racing 1.6 L one. The latter might be smaller but has about the same horsepower count.

That's why 7700 XT is similar to 6800, not to 6750 XT (6700 XT is ~3% slower).

The main RDNA3 problem performance-wise is the chiplet design. The idea itself is most likely amazing, yet it's the first ever chiplet mass market GPU design so it has to mature a couple generations before we can draw any conclusions.

 

[dylricho]

I'm glad the MPT works for 6x00 series. It's banned from use in the 7x00 series.

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And because of that, the clocks actually maintain, and not jump around.

Most cards are reference AMD - and most VRM's can handle over 500W. Ive seen some people have their GPU Consume over 350W easily with zero issues. But it's the clocks beyond 3Ghz that makes it extremely difficult. There's still some free performance on the table with IF clocks and what more. I have'nt tested this out yet.

Wondering how effective this might be for an ASIC B card like the PowerColor Fighter?

 

[AusWolf]

The main RDNA3 problem performance-wise is the chiplet design. The idea itself is most likely amazing, yet it's the first ever chiplet mass market GPU design so it has to mature a couple generations before we can draw any conclusions.

That's not a problem performance-wise, but with the higher idle power consumption with high resolution and/or high refresh rate monitors.