RDNA4 Prediction Time!!!

[londiste]

I would bet 699 for XT or 649 and 499 or 449 for 9070.
Release them after reviews are out for Nvidia parts and say that people can have similar performance with a little cheaper price.
But we'll see in March.

I bet this will be the most accurate prediction.

What does worry me a bit is that AMD has not disclosed neither price nor technical details like clock speeds. This indicates that they will or at least are very strongly considering changing something on cards themselves. Higher clocks and power limit?

 

[Denver]

I think we now have enough leaks/rumors to predict the 9070XT performance, price and power with incredible accuracy. From the latest MLID video, I compiled the fps from each of the games rounded to the nearest 5 for both the 9070XT and the 7800XT:

Game (4K Ultra)	9070XT Ras	7800XT Ras	%Faster	Game	9070XT RT	7800XT RT	%Faster
Watch Dogs Legion	90​	60​	1.50​	Black Myth Wuhong	45​	20​	2.25​
Far Cry 6	115​	80​	1.44​	Hitman 3	30​	20​	1.50​
Forza Horizon 5	155​	110​	1.41​	F1 23	55​	40​	1.38​
Hitman 3	155​	120​	1.29​	Shadow of the TR	80​	50​	1.60​
F1 23	160​	130​	1.23​	Cyberpunk 2077	25​	15​	1.67​
Shadow of the TR	120​	80​	1.50​			Avg​	1.68​
Borderlands 3	100​	70​	1.43​
Horizon Zero Dawn	110​	70​	1.57​
Cyberpunk 2077	60​	40​	1.50​
		Avg​	1.43​

From the RDNA4 CES slides, AMD said the following: (bold emphasis mine)

• Optimized compute units
• Supercharged AI compute
• Improved ray tracing per CU
• Better media encoding quality

So we are potentially looking at a 43% gen ras increase and a 67% RT increase. These increases are reasonable given the following:

Gen Ras
% increase in cores: 7
% increase in bandwidth: 3
% increase in clocks: 21 (2430 MHz going to 2940 MHz)
% increase in gen ras IPC: 6
% increase in monolithic advantages: 6
Total: 43%

RT
% increase in cores: 7
% increase in bandwidth: 3
% increase in clocks: 21 (2430 MHz going to 2940 MHz)
% increase in RT IPC: 31
% increase in monolithic advantages: 6
Total: 68%

This matches the just under 4080 gen ras performance rumors and around 4070Ti and 4070TiS RT performance rumors. I think the 260W power number we are seeing is for gen ras and the 330W power number is for RT. That means overclocked cards will be even higher requiring the three 8-pin power connectors. AMD was probably predicting the 5070 series to be the same or higher than the 4070 series in price. Also AMD is probably targeting the 5070 series RT performance price points (9070XT RT=5070 RT). Since they are $50 less, AMD probably changed their pricing to $50 less giving us the $479 reference and $550 AIB prices. Retailers are probably waiting on their $50 rebate checks from AMD which is delaying the launch.

What do you think?

I’d estimate a performance improvement of around 30% over the 7800 XT(raster), which would bring it on par with the 7900 XT. Higher TDP models could potentially push its performance closer to the 4080 level.

It would be really bad if the 9070XT was as good as the 4080S. That would make the U$1000 5080 only 15-20% faster than cards costing half the price.

 

[freeagent]

You aren't "off the clock" if you are on your official staff account and most certainly not a regular poster. Staff accounts have special privileges and cannot be ignored.

Perhaps TPU should be like every other business and require that personal postings be done on a personal, non-staff, account. That's common sense.

There's no right to complain that people associate staff opinions as official opinion, they are posting on an official account after all.

Multiple accounts are not allowed, against the rules.

Neither is being a human, having an opinion, etc, right?

We all use the hardware that works for us, an individual, like you.

 

[Daven]

Multiple accounts are not allowed, against the rules.

Neither is being a human, having an opinion, etc, right?

We all use the hardware that works for us, an individual, like you.

I think as long as we know someone is a staff member and not allowed to write any articles or reviews related to the market where they have bias is good enough.

All opinions that don’t break forum rules are welcome and more on topic all predictions are welcome from anyone.

 

[rv8000]

I bet this will be the most accurate prediction.

What does worry me a bit is that AMD has not disclosed neither price nor technical details like clock speeds. This indicates that they will or at least are very strongly considering changing something on cards themselves. Higher clocks and power limit?

Yea, if the rumored performance holds up and we get 9070 < 5070 < 9070xt < 5070ti it’s for more likely the 9070xt comes in at $649 and the 9070 at $499. $599 for the XT would be a solid deal if the performance pans out, but that kind of generosity doesn’t exist in the industry; I hope I’m wrong.

 

[Sound_Card]

They were caught off guard with the $550 5070 because the plan was to release the 9070 at a "bargain" price and strike the 5070(ti) hard.

If AMD releases the 9070xt at $500, it's good night for the 5070 and TI, only the green beans will buy it, they will justify it by saying they saw an unexplainable artifact on the corner grass in FSR4. They should also release the 9070 at $400.

Let Nvidia have the $1000 and $2000 segments. Only people that care are Green Beans that want the competition so they can spend $1800 on a 5090 instead of 2k. It's a losing battle for AMD, focuses on the $200 - $600 range and hit it hard. Stop appealing to people that don't care about you to begin with.

 

[JustBenching]

even though they were realistically never going to buy an AMD card anyway.

Oh, this crap again...

Regarding wants, if the 9070xt is launched at 649 indeed I expect it to be twice as fast as the 6800xt in raster, more in RT.

 

[Sound_Card]

Oh, this crap again...

Regarding wants, if the 9070xt is launched at 649 indeed I expect it to be twice as fast as the 6800xt in raster, more in RT.

Do you think people that buy a 4060ti or a 4090 were ever going to consider Radeon? I think it's a valid statement to make. I think those people already made up their mind, regardless and for different reasons.

 

[JustBenching]

Do you think people that buy a 4060ti or a 4090 were ever going to consider Radeon? I think it's a valid statement to make.

Dude you sound extremely bitter that some people don't buy the brand you want them to buy. Chill out, really.

And to answer your question, as an owner of one of those 2 cards you mentioned, yes id absolutely conseder buying Radeon. What are you even talking about?

 

[Sound_Card]

Dude you sound extremely bitter that some people don't buy the brand you want them to buy. Chill out, really.

I know this question always stings because it hits directly to the consumer zeitgeist of today.

And as for your answer, I very much doubt it. AMD has nothing for the 4090 on one hand, you dropped 1.6k on it. As for the 4060ti, there is literally no reason to buy one.

 

[evernessince]

Multiple accounts are not allowed, against the rules.

Neither is being a human, having an opinion, etc, right?

We all use the hardware that works for us, an individual, like you.

That's you seem to think following common sense practices that everyone else follows is going to kill all opinion or your ability to be a human demonstrates precisely why staff should not be posting their opinion under official accounts. No one here is calling for a reduction in your freedom of speech, they are asking that you separate personal and official opinions.

Multiple accounts being against the rules should not apply to staff accounts. If that's the only barrier keeping TPU from having it's staff separate private and business messaging, that's literally a quick policy change that could easily be fixed.

 

[JustBenching]

I know this question always stings because it hits directly to the consumer zeitgeist of today.

And as for your answer, I very much doubt it. AMD has nothing for the 4090 on one hand, you dropped 1.6k on it. As for the 4060ti, there is literally no reason to buy one.

Exactly, amd has nothing at that level, that's why I'm buying nvidia, not because I won't ever consider buying Radeon. Most of the hardware (current) I own are from amd, both cpus and gpus. Don't be silly.

What's even sillier is saying there isn't any reason to buy a 4060ti. AFAIK lots and lots of people are buying the cheapest nvidia cards with lots of vram for non gaming workloads. What are you even on about man?

 

[Sound_Card]

Exactly, amd has nothing at that level, that's why I'm buying nvidia, not because I won't ever consider buying Radeon. Most of the hardware (current) I own are from amd, both cpus and gpus. Don't be silly.

What's even sillier is saying there isn't any reason to buy a 4060ti. AFAIK lots and lots of people are buying the cheapest nvidia cards with lots of vram for non gaming workloads. What are you even on about man?

I'm not going to judge you, but let's be honest, do you really think that you are a reflection of the market as a whole assuming you are being honest?

The 4060ti is objectively dog crap. Absolutely and rightly dumped on by every reviewer. The 7700xt is a much better buy and the 7800xt is a much better buy than the 16gb ti. They are overpriced despite losing to the Radeons because people don't consider the competition enough for Nvidia to lower the prices. Your anecdotal observation about "non-gaming" workloads is just ignoring the reality of the market mentality. You act like the mind share of both companies is 50 50.

It's not 50 50. And that is my point. So I will rephrase my statement from an absolute to mostly. Most people who buy the 4060ti and 4090 were never considering Radeon.

 

[JustBenching]

I'm not going to judge you, but let's be honest, do you really think that you are a reflection of the market as a whole assuming you are being honest?

Absolutely, especially the 4090 tier you mentioned. Nobody spends 2 grand on a gpu to buy "nvidia". They spend that to get the fastest. If amd had the fastest the 4090s would be collecting dust on the shelfs.

If you are telling me there are people that would buy Nvidia no matter what, sure, but I'm pretty sure there are more people in this forum that would not buy Nvidia no matter what than the other way around. You can tell by the number of posts like "sheep" "ngreedia" "you wouldn't buy amd regardless" etc.

They only come from one side and they are the result of bitterness because people don't buy the brand you want them to. I cannot ever imagine myself giving a damn if someone would ever buy Nvidia or amd or whatever. I couldn't care less.

 

[rv8000]

Oh, this crap again...

Regarding wants, if the 9070xt is launched at 649 indeed I expect it to be twice as fast as the 6800xt in raster, more in RT.

Why? A 5070 isnt going to be much more than 50% faster than a 3070 let alone a 3080. You have some impossible, nonsensical, expectations.

 

[JustBenching]

Why? A 5070 isnt going to be much more than 50% faster than a 3070 let alone a 3080. You have some impossible, nonsensical, expectations.

A 5070 isn't going to for sure, but nvidia has stagnated for 2 generations now moving the tiers down and selling software. Nvidia isn't my metric for what should be expected. A 50% gen on gen (6800xt - - - > 9070xt) shouldn't even be that wild of an expectation, why do you think otherwise?

 

[Sound_Card]

Read my edit

 

[rv8000]

A 5070 isn't going to for sure, but nvidia has stagnated for 2 generations now moving the tiers down and selling software. Nvidia isn't my metric for what should be expected. A 50% gen on gen (6800xt - - - > 9070xt) shouldn't even be that wild of an expectation, why do you think otherwise?

Nvidia can’t even do that, that’s why. And before you say yes they can, it’d cost literally twice as much. You’re asking for 4090+ raster and RT performance for $649, when not even a 5080 is going to beat the 4090. Wild… ground yourself and your expectations because you’re dreaming.

 

[JustBenching]

Read my edit

The 4060ti was literally at the top of the price to performance chart. It makes no sense why people wouldn't buy it. It had even better performance per dollar than cards that launched after it (!!!) like the 7700xt you just mentioned.

https://tpucdn.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7700-xt-pure/images/performance-per-dollar-1920-1080.png

Nvidia can’t even do that, that’s why. And before you say yes they can, it’d cost literally twice as much. You’re asking for 4090+ raster and RT performance for $649, when not even a 5080 is going to beat the 4090. Wild… ground yourself and your expectations because you’re dreaming.

I'm not asking for 4090 performance, I'm asking for 50% gen on gen. That's overly grounded I think but whatever, we don't need to agree.

 

[Macro Device]

The 4060ti is objectively dog crap. Absolutely and rightly dumped on by every reviewer. The 7700xt is a much better buy and the 7800xt is a much better buy than the 16gb ti.

That is if you're playing video games on them. If you're an AI developer, or you need CUDA for your work, or you don't but ROCm for some reasons works painfully slow then 4060 Ti becomes a valid spending. Small, power-efficient, easy to use.

The list of what's wrong with nVidia is humongous, true. But the list of what's wrong with AMD is even longer. Navi 48 in order to be a win should have been:

• Never renamed to 9070 XT. Exceptionally stupid move. 9700 XT would be more in line with their own standards and genuine.
• Never delayed to 2025. To win against nVidia, you must have GPUs on hand when they face maximum demand, id est Q4, and when nVidia's GPUs are so overpriced it's requiring an effort to price your own stuff worse. Id est, once again, Q4'24.
• Parred nVidia's GPU, likely 4080 in this case, at RT despite being at least 30% cheaper.
• Accompanied with SOMETHING exclusive to Radeon that is USEFUL.

No matter how good, bad, terrible, boring, interesting, or whatever this GPU will be in isolation it's to come to the wrong place at the wrong time, with the wrong words. Even diehard AMD fans won't necessarily buy it.

 

[rv8000]

The 4060ti was literally at the top of the price to performance chart. It makes no sense why people wouldn't buy it. It had even better performance per dollar than cards that launched after it (!!!) like the 7700xt you just mentioned.

https://tpucdn.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7700-xt-pure/images/performance-per-dollar-1920-1080.png

I'm not asking for 4090 performance, I'm asking for 50% gen on gen. That's overly grounded I think but whatever, we don't need to agree.

Oh, this crap again...

Regarding wants, if the 9070xt is launched at 649 indeed I expect it to be twice as fast as the 6800xt in raster, more in RT.

That is exactly what you said, moving the goal posts again per usual. Twice, 2x, 200% of the raster performance of a 6800XT would exceed the avg fps at 1080, 1440p, and 4k that a 4090 achieves.

 

[Krit]

but I'm pretty sure there are more people in this forum that would not buy Nvidia no matter what than the other way around. You can tell by the number of posts like "sheep" "ngreedia" "you wouldn't buy amd regardless" etc.

Complete BS (nvidia just can't deliver at price to performance ratio it's usually weak in this region) that's way nvidia and it's buyers are facing reality check time to time.

 

[Macro Device]

Twice, 2x, 200% of the raster performance of a 6800XT would exceed the avg fps at 1080, 1440p, and 4k that a 4090 achieves.

Their statements make sense anyway.

$650 in today's money is $540 in 2020's money. RX 6800 MSRP was almost exactly that. RX 6800 is two generations old. 1.5*1.5=2.25 times the performance, in line with +50% gen to gen. This is coincidentally 200% of 6800 XT's prowess.

 

[JustBenching]

That is exactly what you said, moving the goal posts again per usual. Twice, 2x, 200% of the raster performance of a 6800XT would exceed the avg fps at 1080, 1440p, and 4k that a 4090 achieves.

How did I move the goalposts? I said 50% gen on gen isn't soemthing crazy. Normally it's actually considered bad.

Complete BS (nvidia just can't deliver at price to performance ratio it's usually weak in this region) that's way nvidia and its buyers are facing reality check time to time.

Yeap nvidia is suffering.

 

[rv8000]

Their statements make sense anyway.

$650 in today's money is $540 in 2020's money. RX 6800 MSRP was almost exactly that. RX 6800 is two generations old. 1.5*1.5=2.25 times the performance, in line with +50% gen to gen. This is coincidentally 200% of 6800 XT's prowess.

No, and the 6800XT msrp was $649. Why are we rushing to the defense of a flat out lie here… Again Nvidia can’t even meet that standard.

*You can’t expect 50% generational increases and selectively give one company a free pass on failing to meet that criteria, then enforcing that should be the norm for another company.