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Thank you for such an incredibly helpful and informative guide. It is amazing to see how accessible high-end gaming hardware is when correctly selected.

I also definitely agree with you about the big, slow, 120mm fans, for both cases and CPU/GPU heatsinks. I think big and slow, for fans, is definitely the way forward.

Now, I must think long and hard about how I should move forward with my system!
 
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Dear Sirs, another quick question, if I may:

The AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz has been mentioned. It appears to be a very capable processor.

How would it compare it terms of performance to the Intel Pentium 4 631 3GHz - which is around half the price, but is listed as a 3.0Ghz rather than a 2.8Ghz?

How do AMD Phenom IIs compare to Intel P4s, generally?
 
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ok now the P4 only have 1 core
while the PII X3 have 3 cores...
that makes difference...
the P4 built on 90nm manufacturing process..
while the PII X3 is 45nm...
thats also a difference...

and PII X3 is more than 5 times as fast as P4's
and now clock speed is second thing...
 
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P4's are a old and outdated archetecture. AMD's old A64 CPU's are faster. Clock speed doesn't matter.
 
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Thank you for clarifying this.
 
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http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?SAP-4850VX
Get that instead of the ASUS HD4850, it's cheaper (no postage to pay as Nova give you free postage on orders over £50), the stock cooling fan is the best one which comes fitted to the HD48XX cards as standard. That fan is also meant to be pretty quiet and the HD4850 doesn't put out much heat (put the fan speed down to 20% on my Palit card and it didn't go over 50 degrees C). I'm not gonna start recommending processors as I'm not that good with them + the GPU would be a bigger benefit for you.
 
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P4 in general was a big cup of fail for intel, any decent old athlon would spank them most times in games, but in todays market amd has nothing that competes with the core architecture clock for clock, and I mean nothing
 
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Phenom II competes well with Core 2 which is all he can afford, granted they can't compete with i7.
 
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P4 in general was a big cup of fail for intel, any decent old athlon would spank them most times in games, but in todays market amd has nothing that competes with the core architecture clock for clock, and I mean nothing
Sir, what is your first choice of Intel processor?
 
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Core 2 Duo E7xxx or E8xxx would be great
 
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...You would be bottlenecked because your system will not be balanced, you are attempting to run 3 year old processor which was probably low-end on release with today's midrange video cards. I'm not saying that you can not enjoy those games you listed but I'm saying that you'll be enjoying them at a considerably lower frame rate, resolution, and detail than someone with a more modern processor.

...It depends on the motherboard and whether it has enough features for you to apply an overclock. But if you were able to achieve an overclock of around 3.0 GHz it would eliminate most of the bottleneck and would probably perform between the Intel E5200 and E6600 which is around the speed of an AMD 6400+. But even these CPUs are not fantastically fast by today's standard but is enough for one to almost exploit the potential of the video cards we've suggest which are below £100.
Hi Darren, another quick question, if I may. What would be the minimum Intel CPU which you would recommend that I upgrade to - either with or without the need to overclock - in order to eliminate this potential bottleneck when in use with a mid-range graphics card?

Edit: I am very much veering towards the HD4670/HD4770, as you have all convinced me that it would appear to offer the best reliability and bang-per-buck performance.
 
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Pipps,

If you overclock your current e1400 to 3.0-3.2Ghz, your going to be performing just a tad bit faster than an e5200@ stock default clocks. Your cpu is fine.
 
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Yay! Thank you! :D
 

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Hi Darren, another quick question, if I may. What would be the minimum Intel CPU which you would recommend that I upgrade to - either with or without the need to overclock - in order to eliminate this potential bottleneck when in use with a mid-range graphics card?

Edit: I am very much veering towards the HD4670/HD4770, as you have all convinced me that it would appear to offer the best reliability and bang-per-buck performance.

I'd overclock your current E1400 to around 3 GHz as JrRacingFan suggested, failing that I'd go straight up to midrange dual core such as the E7400 as they are fast enough to run today's games easily at stock and overclocks well if one wishes, at minimum i'd get a lowend processors which would outperform your current E1400 and overclock just as far such as the E5200. If the budget allows for Intel's extortionately priced processors go straight for the quad core range such as the Q9400 or the Q9500

I would avoid the 4670, at minimum you want the ATI 4830! Get the cheapest of the ATI 4770 or 4850, performance near enough the same.

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This should give you an idea of the performance of some of the recommended processors. 1234


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Which is preferable, out of the two?

I would get the cheapest of the two, I'd go with the 4770 if you can find it for more than £10 cheaper than the 4850, if there is just say £9 or less between the two cards I would get the 4850.

The ATI 4850 = older, about 1-10% faster, DDR3, 55mn chip, 800 shaders, runs hottest.
The ATI 4830 = new, slightly slower than 4770 and 4850, DDR3, 55mn, runs warm, overclocks faster than 4850, 640 shaders, cheapest at only £70!
The ATI 4770 = newest, performs near the same as 4850, DDR5, 40mn chip, usually cheaper than the 4850 but more than 4830, runs coolest.

Also remember that I am presuming that you are looking for a card below £85 with delivery I wouldn't pay more than that for either one of these cards. If you want to spend between £100-120 then I'd be looking more towards the ATI 4870 or GTX260 216 core.

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Edit: And would you consider the HD4830 better overall for my purposes, with my 2.0-OC-3.0 Ghz CPU, for £20 less than the HD4850?

As the ATI 4830 is up to £20 less for similar performance it is the best candidate price/performance. A slight optional overclock of the 4830 and it would perform the same or better than the 4850 or 4770 at stock. To be frank in a lot of games the 4830 can actually performs the same as the previously mentioned cards straight out of the box.

I currently own a 4830 so I'm trying not to be bias. I have the XFX 4830 and it was £74.00 but its only £70 now with free super saver delivery here with only one left in stock.

It should last you a bit over a year, I doubt you'll struggle with games within that duration, just overclock the processor a bit then invest around £350-400 in a full system upgrade (CPU, GPU and maybe motherboard) in mid 2010.
 
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...I would avoid the 4670, at minimum you want the ATI 4830! Get the cheapest of the ATI 4770 or 4850, performance near enough the same.
Which is preferable, out of the two?

Edit: And would you consider the HD4830 better overall for my purposes, with my 2.0-OC-3.0 Ghz CPU, for £20 less than the HD4850?
 

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Beware of comparing your E1400 CPU to an E5200. The E5200 has 2Mb of L2 cache and the E1400 has only 512Kb of L2 cache. This can make a big difference in real life programs (often less in synthetic benchmarks).

The E1400 should be plenty good enough for your original requirement of HL2/CSS etc but I think it would be stretched way too far at any clock speed for something like GTA4.
 
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Hi Darren

Thank you for your continued help with my questions on graphics cards. It is a fiendishly complex subject!

I spent a great deal of time reviewing all of the many incredibly useful comments on this thread, and on the prices available to me in the UK market. In the end I felt that for the purposes of my ultra-quiet system's requirements, and on power consumption and heat production, with my casual-gamer demands on performance, the best bang-for-buck and system demand sweet-spot would be with the HD4670. This review was particularly useful, along with this data.

Then, whilst buying a few other components from an e-tailer, I had the opportunity to buy this Sapphire HD4670 for £55. I took it!

I am very grateful for all of the help and advice that everyone has so kindly provided on this thread. This is a magnificent forum for the ardent researcher and system builder. I am very pleased that you all steered me towards Radeon rather than GeForce. I believe I have achieved better value and efficient performance as a result.

Thank you!
 

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I'm a bit disappointed with your choice of card, and I'm slightly dubious of that review too. The review features two high end video card, seven super-high end video cards and only two midrange cards and as a result the 4830 and 4670 were always ranked in the two slowest on the graph, its not really ethical to review video cards priced £55-70 with cards that cost £200-400, ideally the review should of had more of a midrange selection such as the 9600 GT, 9800 GT/GTX+, GTS 250, 4850, 4770 etc.

In reality the 4670 is about 40-60% slower than the 4830 which isn't being reflected in the Techgage review for whatever reason which is enough to warrant the extra £15.

TPU review
 

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I would have to agree, the 4830 would have been a much better buy, if you can RMA at and pick one up I would suggest doing so.
 
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Hi Darren. Thank you for pulling me up on this. A 40% performance increase for only £15 would certainly appear to be a worthwhile outlay, providing it is not to the detriment of system cooling.

So I took a look at the useful power consumption comparison figures within the review which you just mentioned.

It would seem from this more reliable TechPowerUp data that perhaps the TechGage review was overplaying what would appear to be only a minimal difference in idle temps and power usage, and a negligible difference in peak temps and power usage, when case fans would be spinning faster anyway. This review would seem to provide a far more credible appraisal of the relative performance and power consumption details.

So I amended my order to pay the extra £13.01 for the Sapphire HD4830! Edit: That's a tax-inclusive price of £69.

I have also heard that the HD4830 is basically just a capped version of the HD4850. So I am hoping that with a little overclocking, I should be achieving HD4850/HD4770 performance too!

I am looking forward to receiving the HD4830 tomorrow! Thank you for all of your help! :)
 
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for under £100 Id highly recommend the ATi/AMD 4770 Its faster then Nvidias 9800GT's & in few benches performed slightly better then ATi/AMDs own 4850 card.

so its definitely worth looking into. the 9800GT series has been out for a while. where as the 4770 has just been released so is more 'new generation' then the 9800GTs.

get a 4770
 
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i've got the same 4670 im not very pleased with it... but atm i only play L4D
so if you only play HL2 thats ok but for games like crysis or such get at least a 4830
 
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for under £100 Id highly recommend the ATi/AMD 4770 Its faster then Nvidias 9800GT's & in few benches performed slightly better then ATi/AMDs own 4850 card.

so its definitely worth looking into. the 9800GT series has been out for a while. where as the 4770 has just been released so is more 'new generation' then the 9800GTs.

get a 4770

A 4770 cannot be had for love or money in the UK any more!

Or a minimum of £85 delivered. Which is beyond the cut-off point which I am able to extend to.

I am confident that the HD4830 will satisfy my needs.
 
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