Response to forum violations

[Dbiggs9]

i lost a thread before, got a infraction or warning or something i dunno, who cares. I can still read threads and reply so. why does a warning or whatever matter?

 

[SystemViper]

Please delete this thread.

you can close/lock it, since you started it...

 

[GSG-9]

you can close/lock it, since you started it...

I dont see it under thread tools...

 

[panchoman]

yes having a moderator take the time to PM you when you didnt follow the rules...that makes sense...

Or you could just look at the closed thread and see what the reason given for closure was

When a person is presented with warrant - whether for arrest or search & seizure - they are entitled to know what the warrant is for, what it means, and who endorsed it.

While these forums are not the police force, there are certain things that i believe all members are entitled to-

GSG unknowingly commited an offense (whether it be his poor judgement or intentionally) - he should atleast be informed why such an action was taken against him at that time - not after he tries again - unknowingly why his thread was deleted, who it was deleted by, or why it was deleted. He proceeded to try again, and was instead given an infraction, for breaking the rules twice - a rule he has not known he has broken in the first place.

once again, sure, it is his fault that he didn't read the rules properly or disregarded them as an exception to his particular case. However, he does deserve to know why an action was taken against him.

Moderators work hard to keep bad content away from this forum and protect the safety and integrity of these forums and the users that use them. However, as well as a job they are doing, I think that moderators should inform users why actions are committed against them - similairly as moderators are required to mention why infractions were given to a certain member, they should also be required to explain why actions were taken against a user on the forum.

This has been the point that the petitioner has been attempting to argue with this thread. I feel that the backlash against him is uncalled for and unneccessary. He was simply trying to petition to require moderators to inform users when actions are taken against users and explain why such a thing has happend. He has a valid point which has been supported with a personal example. such said personal example should be taken care between the moderators in question and the petitioner. HOWEVER, the petitioner in this thread is peitioning for amending or establishing new rules here - a completely valid arguement, point, and thread.

Also, GSG, i understand your frustration with this thread and the direction it is headed. However, creating multiple threads is not the way to go.

 

[SystemViper]

yea, that is strange, u only get that option in certain sections i guess...

can you add a poll?

 

[GSG-9]

yea, that is strange, u only get that option in certain sections i guess...

can you add a poll?

yes sir

 

[newtekie1]

If you thread was deleted, it violated some rule/s, so reposting is stupid. If it was a s/b/t thread that makes it even more obvious...

 

[GSG-9]

If you thread was deleted, it violated some rule/s, so reposting is stupid. If it was a s/b/t thread that makes it even more obvious...

Easy to say at the first 7:30pm, not as easy at the 2nd one. once again on a WTB thread, I was not trying to sell anything. Not that you care if your posting that this far into this derailed thread.

 

[panchoman]

If you thread was deleted, it violated some rule/s, so reposting is stupid. If it was a s/b/t thread that makes it even more obvious...

What if a user is unaware of what rule he/she violated? As in this example, he was aware of the rules, and felt that he was in full accordance in the rules. What then?

(whether he was or was not is another debate)

 

[PaulieG]

What if a user is unaware of what rule he/she violated? As in this example, he was aware of the rules, and felt that he was in full accordance in the rules. What then?

(whether he was or was not is another debate)

Honestly, then they get penalized for stupidity or laziness. If you are going to list an item for sale it is a very basic and simple task to read the rules, which are clearly stated in a sticky at the top of the section. We should not have to hold anyone's hand for this process to occur, nor should I waste my time sending a PM. If you want to know why you received a warning/infraction then it is your responsibility to contact a mod, not the other way around.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

I received a warning once...I have no idea what it was for any more. I didn't get details either, just a PM that said, you violated a forum rule.....stated it was a warning. And gave me a link to the forum rules. I can understand the merit of being informed via PM about why something was removed or closed or what have you, but there are what...like 12 moderators and a few thousand posts a day. If the e-mails are not automated, that could be very time consuming.

I can personally say I have been the cause of some....fairly heated statements from Erocker and BT, but I find the mods here are really cool about stuff. They actually does take suggestions, respect people here, and will talk with you about things that happen.

If your thread is closed and the reason is not posted on the thread, just PM one of the mods and they will let you know. I would double check the rules first because 90% of the time you can just tell from reading through them.

As far as a closing a thread, that only applies to certain sections from what I gather. Buy/Sell/Trade section lets you close those because once sold out or you don't want to sell them any more, you have the option to just close it. Posts in other sections are kinda public info, so only mods can close them if they chose. That is what I gather.

 

[Benetanegia]

Honestly, then they get penalized for stupidity or laziness. If you are going to list an item for sale it is a very basic and simple task to read the rules, which are clearly stated in a sticky at the top of the section. We should not have to hold anyone's hand for this process to occur, nor should I waste my time sending a PM. If you want to know why you received a warning/infraction then it is your responsibility to contact a mod, not the other way around.

I think that everyone has that clear, even GSG, but:

1- "If you are going to list an item for sale it is a very basic and simple task to read the rules"

It is my understanding that it was a "Want to buy" thread. Rules do not specify anything about such threads. The thread should have become a "want to trade" thread, yes, but he possibly didn't realise that. It doesn't actually matter fot what this thread is for because:

2- "If you want to know why you received a warning/infraction then it is your responsibility to contact a mod, not the other way around."

He did not receive a warning/infraction. That is the point of this thread!!

According to what I read, the thread was just deleted, he had no way to know what had happened to his thread and hence he posted it again.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I think that everyone has that clear, even GSG, but:

1- "If you are going to list an item for sale it is a very basic and simple task to read the rules"

It is my understanding that it was a "Want to buy" thread. Rules do not specify anything about such threads. The thread should have become a "want to trade" thread, yes, but he possibly didn't realise that. It doesn't actually matter fot what this thread is for because:

2- "If you want to know why you received a warning/infraction then it is your responsibility to contact a mod, not the other way around."

He did not receive a warning/infraction. That is the point of this thread!!

According to what I read, the thread was just deleted, he had no way to know what had happened to his thread and hence he posted it again.

If it was deleted he should have just PM a mod. Not repost. Also I aint telling any mods what to do but this thread I feel should be deleted.

 

[erocker]

I think that everyone has that clear, even GSG, but:

1- "If you are going to list an item for sale it is a very basic and simple task to read the rules"

It is my understanding that it was a "Want to buy" thread. Rules do not specify anything about such threads. The thread should have become a "want to trade" thread, yes, but he possibly didn't realise that. It doesn't actually matter fot what this thread is for because:

2- "If you want to know why you received a warning/infraction then it is your responsibility to contact a mod, not the other way around."

He did not receive a warning/infraction. That is the point of this thread!!

According to what I read, the thread was just deleted, he had no way to know what had happened to his thread and hence he posted it again.

To keep things clear. A warning was issued (yellow card), not an infraction. I did state in the warning that the thread was deleted for not having the appropriate pictures required along with a link to the guidelines of the B/S/T forum.

 

[BUCK NASTY]

The ability to post in the TPU B/S/T section is a privilege. There are rules that must be followed. With the sheer volume of threads in B/S/T section, it is tedious to moderate and I feel our moderators have done a great job. There have been months(and months) of discussion on how to manage the section. If you disobey the rules in that section, your thread get's deleted. I do not feel a PM should be warranted for deleted threads in B/S/T. The rules are clearly posted and were not followed. This is a zero tolerance policy due to the many incorrect/frivolous threads in the past.

 

[GSG-9]

To keep things clear. A warning was issued (yellow card), not an infraction. I did state in the warning that the thread was deleted for not having the appropriate pictures required along with a link to the guidelines of the B/S/T forum.

For the 2nd thread. not the first. Please help this die.

The ability to post in the TPU B/S/T section is a privilege. There are rules that must be followed. With the sheer volume of threads in B/S/T section, it is tedious to moderate and I feel our moderators have done a great job. There have been months(and months) of discussion on how to manage the section. If you disobey the rules in that section, your thread get's deleted. I do not feel a PM should be warranted for deleted threads in B/S/T. The rules are clearly posted and were not followed. This is a zero tolerance policy due to the many incorrect/frivolous threads in the past.

Clearish, since this is uncontrollably OT I might as well input.
If we changed the rules in For Sale For Trade to say You must include photos in WTB threads as you must for FT/FS threads (in the text of the rules) No one would have that mistake again. I don't really want to have this conversation though. It can die.

 

[Benetanegia]

To keep things clear. A warning was issued (yellow card), not an infraction. I did state in the warning that the thread was deleted for not having the appropriate pictures required along with a link to the guidelines of the B/S/T forum.

EDIT: ^^ Nevermind.

But wasn't that the second thread? According to what GSG said in this thread, you didn't take part in the first thread.

 

[erocker]

For the 2nd thread. not the first.

Correct.

But wasn't that the second thread? According to what GSG said in this thread, you didn't take part in the first thread.

..and correct.

 

[AphexDreamer]

Honestly, then they get penalized for stupidity or laziness. If you are going to list an item for sale it is a very basic and simple task to read the rules, which are clearly stated in a sticky at the top of the section. We should not have to hold anyone's hand for this process to occur, nor should I waste my time sending a PM. If you want to know why you received a warning/infraction then it is your responsibility to contact a mod, not the other way around.

You can't be penalized for confusion or misunderstanding/comprehension of the rules. That should be taken in account and if you go through all the effort to penalize someone than at least make it known why or the same thing will happen again and thats just more work for you.

I can't believe his thread got closed just because he said maybe I'd trade this if someone wants it in a WTB thread. The rules states to post pictures for something your selling not something you might be trading... In all honestly my first FS thread here I made a long time ago had no pictures and I sold stuff and no one complained maybe TPU wasn't as strict about it then.

 

[TheMailMan78]

The ability to post in the TPU B/S/T section is a privilege. There are rules that must be followed. With the sheer volume of threads in B/S/T section, it is tedious to moderate and I feel our moderators have done a great job. There have been months(and months) of discussion on how to manage the section. If you disobey the rules in that section, your thread get's deleted. I do not feel a PM should be warranted for deleted threads in B/S/T. The rules are clearly posted and were not followed. This is a zero tolerance policy due to the many incorrect/frivolous threads in the past.

I agree. This is TPUs way to protect its members bank accounts. If anything I feel they should drop the hammer more. This is coming from an infraction magnet.

 

[AphexDreamer]

The ability to post in the TPU B/S/T section is a privilege. There are rules that must be followed. With the sheer volume of threads in B/S/T section, it is tedious to moderate and I feel our moderators have done a great job. There have been months(and months) of discussion on how to manage the section. If you disobey the rules in that section, your thread get's deleted. I do not feel a PM should be warranted for deleted threads in B/S/T. The rules are clearly posted and were not followed. This is a zero tolerance policy due to the many incorrect/frivolous threads in the past.

Yes but it would help to make it known why to prevent the same thing from happening again. Else its just even more work and worse for the normal user.

 

[overclocking101]

Well I got an infraction recently that I disagreed with to! I was infracted because I posted in the thread where cuda was "enabled" for ati gpus that it would be cool blah blah blah but in there I put the word "nvidiots" I was infracted for "spamming/flaimbaiting" which I wasnt doing at all. I then responded with a pm back to the infractor, no response. imo IF I had posted a comment straight up flaimbaiting then I woulda taken my licks like a man, however I wasnt. It urked me especially because there are people who straight up are a lot more harsh than I had posted (no offense mailman, LMAO j/k) But whatever, now I know that certain people cant take certain statements and I will never say nvidiot again.

 

[erocker]

I can't believe his thread got closed just because he said maybe I'd trade this if someone wants it in a WTB thread. The rules states to post pictures for something your selling not something you might be trading... In all honestly my first FS thread here I made a long time ago had no pictures and I sold stuff and no one complained maybe TPU wasn't as strict about it then.

From the guidelines:

Post a picture of the physical item you are selling/trading, along with your techPowerUp! forums account name handwritten (Not typed or printed!) on a piece of paper in the background. This is to validate that there is an item being sold and that you are the seller. -Have your pictures ready before you post your thread! No pics, don't post or your thread will be deleted.

Yes, the forum wasn't nearly as strict long ago. That has changed with member, moderator and staff involvement.

 

[AphexDreamer]

Well I got an infraction recently that I disagreed with to! I was infracted because I posted in the thread where cuda was "enabled" for ati gpus that it would be cool blah blah blah but in there I put the word "nvidiots" I was infracted for "spamming/flaimbaiting" which I wasnt doing at all. I then responded with a pm back to the infractor, no response. imo IF I had posted a comment straight up flaimbaiting then I woulda taken my licks like a man, however I wasnt. It urked me especially because there are people who straight up are a lot more harsh than I had posted (no offense mailman, LMAO j/k) But whatever, now I know that certain people cant take certain statements and I will never say nvidiot again.

I think some moderators look for the slightest reason to give an infraction. I've also noticed they can be more lenient towards some than others. I could be wrong but TBH thats how I've been feeling about it.

 

[GSG-9]

From the guidelines:

"Post a picture of the physical item you are selling/trading, along with your techPowerUp! forums account name handwritten (Not typed or printed!) on a piece of paper in the background."

Yes, the forum wasn't nearly as strict long ago. That has changed with member, moderator and staff involvement.

You can totally see how selling/trading can be taken as meaning FS/FT can't you? I don't have a problem with the rule, I just did not understand it.

Edit: Also like AD the first time I traded something here was over 4 years ago.